The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[RaineV1]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-defense-dean-pees-20151014-story.html

I usually don't like the writings of Brown, but he makes a lot of good points here. Firstly, he has tried just about everything, but people will criticize everything he did if it doesn't work, even if he does what they were calling for. 

Secondly, what would people rather have him do? I have a few things in mind, which I've made clear before, but their minor gripes in comparison to the lack of execution overall.

Thirdly, read this quote by B. Williams. Brown makes an excellent point that if things aren't working, usually players will make it known.

 

"Pees is doing a great job. I think he’s doing a great job with everything that he’s got," Ravens nose tackle Brandon Williams said. "Everything that he’s doing, everything that we’re doing, he’s coaching us and telling us. He has a great game plan every week. So it’s just up to us to finish and make that game plan even better – just to go out there and execute it to the best of our ability.” 

And yet the same person who wrote that gave the Raven's coaching staff a D against the Browns. Somehow I doubt that D was for Trestman's offensive playcalling. So I wonder how he can say Pees is doing great and still give him low grades for the games the Ravens have played?

Edited October 15, 2015 by RaineV1

[DomMcRaven]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-defense-dean-pees-20151014-story.html

I usually don't like the writings of Brown, but he makes a lot of good points here. Firstly, he has tried just about everything, but people will criticize everything he did if it doesn't work, even if he does what they were calling for. 

Secondly, what would people rather have him do? I have a few things in mind, which I've made clear before, but their minor gripes in comparison to the lack of execution overall.

Thirdly, read this quote by B. Williams. Brown makes an excellent point that if things aren't working, usually players will make it known.

 

"Pees is doing a great job. I think he’s doing a great job with everything that he’s got," Ravens nose tackle Brandon Williams said. "Everything that he’s doing, everything that we’re doing, he’s coaching us and telling us. He has a great game plan every week. So it’s just up to us to finish and make that game plan even better – just to go out there and execute it to the best of our ability.” 

The Pees haters aren't going to like this at all. 

[jazz1988]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-defense-dean-pees-20151014-story.html

I usually don't like the writings of Brown, but he makes a lot of good points here. Firstly, he has tried just about everything, but people will criticize everything he did if it doesn't work, even if he does what they were calling for. 

Secondly, what would people rather have him do? I have a few things in mind, which I've made clear before, but their minor gripes in comparison to the lack of execution overall.

Thirdly, read this quote by B. Williams. Brown makes an excellent point that if things aren't working, usually players will make it known.

 

"Pees is doing a great job. I think he’s doing a great job with everything that he’s got," Ravens nose tackle Brandon Williams said. "Everything that he’s doing, everything that we’re doing, he’s coaching us and telling us. He has a great game plan every week. So it’s just up to us to finish and make that game plan even better – just to go out there and execute it to the best of our ability.” 

 

I don't think Dean Pees is a bad defensive coordinator but from 2012 to now it has been the same issue every year. Ozzie has been giving the defense love for about three years or so now but yet it's the same issue every year. We can't blame Pees for everything that's unrealistic but throughout those same issues Dean Pees  has been the defensive coordinator.

 

I think our secondary overall was at it's best probably in 2013 when we had Jimmy Smith, Ladarius Webb, and Corey Graham but even then players look lost at times in coverage  and this when we had Teryl Austin as the secondary coach. I just don't understand why our guys look so lost at times with their assignments.

 

My main problem with Dean Pees is he doesn't take chances he rather play conservative for the rest of the game if something  doesn't go right once .That's great for Brandon Williams to say what he said but he can't speak for everybody. Back when Cam Cameron was offensive coordinator i'm pretty sure there was a offensive player saying something similar to what Brandon Williams is saying. 

 

Ray Rice himself said "When we had our mishaps, Cam always took it for us. When that change happened, it was a wake-up call. We all felt like, you know what, Cam was the playcaller, but we had to go out there and make the plays" .     http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000138696/article/ray-rice-cam-cameron-firing-shook-baltimore-ravens .

[berad]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-defense-dean-pees-20151014-story.html

I usually don't like the writings of Brown, but he makes a lot of good points here. Firstly, he has tried just about everything, but people will criticize everything he did if it doesn't work, even if he does what they were calling for. 

Secondly, what would people rather have him do? I have a few things in mind, which I've made clear before, but their minor gripes in comparison to the lack of execution overall.

Thirdly, read this quote by B. Williams. Brown makes an excellent point that if things aren't working, usually players will make it known.

 

"Pees is doing a great job. I think he’s doing a great job with everything that he’s got," Ravens nose tackle Brandon Williams said. "Everything that he’s doing, everything that we’re doing, he’s coaching us and telling us. He has a great game plan every week. So it’s just up to us to finish and make that game plan even better – just to go out there and execute it to the best of our ability.” 

 

From the article:

 

 

Usually, when things aren't going well, players start mumbling bad things about the coach or the coordinator, but you don't hear anything negative about Pees from the players. They respect and play hard for him.

 

Maybe they're not bashing their coach because they have some dignity? They're professionals and there's more than enough blame to go around. I thought Pees bashed the effort against the Raiders?

 

 

 

I just think the Ravens are a team without a shutdown cornerback, a dominant pass rusher or a safety who can cover significant ground.

 

You obviously need these things to keep Josh McCown from taking you to the woodshed. Or having the Raiders put up their highest point total since 2010. Or having all the 4th quarter blown leads. The players aren't performing as Pro Bowlers, no, but neither is Dean Pees.

 

He assumes responsibility because of his role. It's part of his job. His unit is not producing. The talent is hurting but there are valuable components there. He is not making it happen. His press conference should be today, we'll see what he says.

[Static]

What does it say about Peas that players 30years younger than him are willing take blame upon themselves but Peas refuses to do so.

[BSHU_Miami]

What does it say about Peas that players 30years younger than him are willing take blame upon themselves but Peas refuses to do so.

thats the way I'm looking at it.

[PurpleCity5]

I’ve came to the defense of Pees on some occasions and I believe that he shouldn’t take most of the blame for what has happened to the defense. But to alleviate completely all of the blame from Pees would in my opinion defy what it means to be a coach in the NFL. Yes, Pees isn’t awful, he’s not as bad as some are led to believe but as a defensive coordinator, if your secondary isn’t as good as you anticipate it should be then shouldn’t it be your job to mask some of those issues? That’s what they’re doing in Pittsburgh; do you honestly believe they have a secondary better than our own? No way, just no, yet they are able to mask those issues. I also don’t agree with Preston when he talks about Jimmy not being a shutdown CB because that’s exactly what he was last season and the season before that. Are we really going to just conclude Jimmy isn’t good after two bad games? Seriously? Every CB puts up a stinker from time to time and Jimmy is going through a slump, not to mention he’s still bouncing back from one of the hardest injuries to recover from, which isn’t Pees fault. I honestly think Pees came away with some really bad calls, I mean against Oakland it was a 3^rd and 2 and the call was to put the CBs 10 yards off, it’s still mind boggling how people think that could work. Then there’s those dreaded three man rushes that just get cut into pieces by opposing offenses, I mean who can forget that? I also hope it wasn’t Pees idea to put Kendrick Lewis on AJ Greene during that 80 Yard TD, though I think the players deserve the majority of the blame for awful tackling.

 

That’s pretty much where I place the blame on Pees where he got to dump stuff like that completely, at the same time this Front Office takes blame for not putting the best roster they could. Maybe we should have kept Pernell McPhee and sold him short of what he really is and monitored Jimmy’s return from his injury. I would have liked to have done that myself.  Finally, WE ARE A SLOW TEAM. Very slow, we heavily lack athleticism. I put that on the F.O as well because that was actually a problem last season. Finally, injuries because they have been devastating. Will Davis, Terrell Suggs,  and Doom all gone. That’s going to hurt this group.  

 

If you praise Pees when the players go out there and play hard and succeed, they shouldn't you blame Pees when they fail? 

Edited October 15, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[sharkh20]

I want is for us to get up on the line on third downs like every other defense trying to make a stop. I want us to get closer than 15 yards off the line when we are going to blitz. Blitzing is used to either make the qb get rid of the ball early or to get a sack. When you force a qb to throw early but you leave everyone wide open early in the play every time, there is no point in blitzing. The reason we don't get off the field on 3rd and long or late in the games is because we don't cover aggressively. We don't make them beat us with good throws. We just let them have it if they are going for it. I've never seen a team leave people more uncovered than this team. Every throw, there will be about 3 ravens defenders standing next to each other 10 or more yards from the receiver making the catch.

The Patriots figured it out last year when they didn't run the ball a single time in the second half. It boggles my mind why every team doesn't play a 2 minute offense against our D the entire game. We can't stop it. We haven't been able to stop it for years.

These games so far have been exactly like 2013. We only win if something ridiculous happens, or the other team drops 2 passes on 3rd and 4th down to end the game.

Last year we had an offense who could bail us out. This year we don't. This year, on 4th and 5 we will go for a 1 yard crossing route to a covered TE. What a soft team this is. Frustrates the heck out of me.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Moderator 3

[FlocksGottaFeed]

From the article:

 

 

 

Maybe they're not bashing their coach because they have some dignity? They're professionals and there's more than enough blame to go around. I thought Pees bashed the effort against the Raiders?

 

 

 

 

You obviously need these things to keep Josh McCown from taking you to the woodshed. Or having the Raiders put up their highest point total since 2010. Or having all the 4th quarter blown leads. The players aren't performing as Pro Bowlers, no, but neither is Dean Pees.

 

He assumes responsibility because of his role. It's part of his job. His unit is not producing. The talent is hurting but there are valuable components there. He is not making it happen. His press conference should be today, we'll see what he says.

Sometimes there's really no one to blame, to be fair. However, many of 'Great' coaches and players have lost their jobs purely on 'Results' and 'Perception'. The 'Results' and 'Perception' alone demands change. Hopefully this change will be 'wins' based on holding 4th quarter leads and/or dominating rival offenses when needed the majority of the time.

 

Williams defense of his coach is admirable and he should be respected for that; however we must keep in mind that he's pretty new to the NFL. Missouri Southern is not the Ravens 'Defensive' legacy and what's demanded and expected to fill a NFL legacy. When that expectation can't  be met...the NFL truly translates to 'Not For Long' no matter who's at fault.

 

I don't know what's next, but I'm hoping to see a change the 'Results' and 'Perception' of our defense or changes in coaches and players will most likely come sooner than later.

[johnmike72]

Dean Pees` new name is, Dean Please

Dean Please take some responsibility. Dean Please STOP just blaming the players. Dean Please blitz more, and if you can`t do any of these things. Dean Please QUIT!

[redrum52]

Dean Pees` new name is, Dean Please

Dean Please take some responsibility. Dean Please STOP just blaming the players. Dean Please blitz more, and if you can`t do any of these things. Dean Please QUIT!

Do people even watch the games? I'm so sick of the blitz more non sense. He is blitzing... A LOT!

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, I don't quite get the complaint saying Pees doesn't blitz enough. He's blitzing a lot due to losing Suggs and especially when he lost Dumervil. Blitzing opens the secondary up to big plays, though.

The problem is who do you make suffer? Pass rush or secondary? We don't exactly have much at either, honestly.

[rmw10]

I think the biggest issue with the blitz isn't necessarily the frequency, rather the lack of disguise.  It seems that a majority of the time when Pees is bringing the house, it's very apparent.  I know I've called a ton sitting at home on the couch, so I can imagine some brilliant minds at QB can certainly peg that as well.  Adjustments are made and the secondary is left exposed.  When he does get creative is when we're at our best on the blitz, obviously.  The frequency of creativity is the biggest issue.

[GrimCoconut]

I think the biggest issue with the blitz isn't necessarily the frequency, rather the lack of disguise. It seems that a majority of the time when Pees is bringing the house, it's very apparent. I know I've called a ton sitting at home on the couch, so I can imagine some brilliant minds at QB can certainly peg that as well. Adjustments are made and the secondary is left exposed. When he does get creative is when we're at our best on the blitz, obviously. The frequency of creativity is the biggest issue.

Yeah. He's just not creative with the blitz all the time. I thought he did a good job disguising it against Denver, but he hasn't done the same since.

[redrum52]

I think the biggest issue with the blitz isn't necessarily the frequency, rather the lack of disguise. It seems that a majority of the time when Pees is bringing the house, it's very apparent. I know I've called a ton sitting at home on the couch, so I can imagine some brilliant minds at QB can certainly peg that as well. Adjustments are made and the secondary is left exposed. When he does get creative is when we're at our best on the blitz, obviously. The frequency of creativity is the biggest issue.

This is a valid complaint. I think the same. A lot of the blitzes are shown too early. The thing about Rex's defenses were the disguise and the timing. By timing I mean when they start approachimg the line or show. It seems when we blitz, we line up and show immediately.

[Greatness]

Even him trying to explain himself on the main page makes me want to rage. I almost loss my mind when he said "Players need to learn to don't play scared" Then I go back and see the CB's 40 yards off the ball on a 3rd and 2.

[DomMcRaven]

Even him trying to explain himself on the main page makes me want to rage. I almost loss my mind when he said "Players need to learn to don't play scared" Then I go back and see the CB's 40 yards off the ball on a 3rd and 2.

I swear, I literally laughed out loud when I saw this. While this is a slight exaggeration, it's also true. 

[Sir Spooky]

Bend but don't break doesn't work because you'll eventually break. The Ravens through history don't generally give up on average 300+ yards per game. Through the years when we were plundered for DCs, we rarely gave up on average more than 300+ yards per game. There were a couple years when we hovered around 300 (plus or minus 5 yards for instance) but for the most part it was under. The only years we gave up noticeably 300+ avg yards/game were 1996, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014.

 

From 2012-2014, we actually improved based on rankings from 17th in 2012 to 12th in 2013, and 8th in 2014. Our yards average for those years were 350 in 2012, 335 in 2013, and 336 in 2014. Our passing defense in those years was ranked 17th in 2012 (228 yards/game), 12th in 2013 (230 yards/game), and 17th in 2014 (248 yards/game).

 

Maybe injuries played a big part in the increase or maybe a bend but don't break philosophy doesn't work because it'll eventually break.

[-Truth-]

I think the biggest issue with the blitz isn't necessarily the frequency, rather the lack of disguise.  It seems that a majority of the time when Pees is bringing the house, it's very apparent.  I know I've called a ton sitting at home on the couch, so I can imagine some brilliant minds at QB can certainly peg that as well.  Adjustments are made and the secondary is left exposed.  When he does get creative is when we're at our best on the blitz, obviously.  The frequency of creativity is the biggest issue.

 

Spot on.

[PurpleCity5]

My biggest problem with Pees is that has fails to mask our problems with the secondary, I put that on him. I've watched some other teams play like Pittsburgh, Jacksonville and New Orleans and they manage to mask their secondary issues. Pitt puts out some zone blitz and disguises to get some turnovers and New Orleans did something similar where they would completely fool the Falcons with fake blitzes and played some close to man-to-man coverage. I don't see any reason for either of those teams to have a better secondary than us, clearly our guys are more talented and neither of them has a CB that is close to a shutdown caliber. People say "Hey, Pees doesn't have a shutdown CB" or "He doesn't have talent". Well, there are teams out there who mask those issues the best they can, we're clearly not doing that. That's the defensive coordinators job and responsibility. That's my biggest ripe with Pees. I don't think he's bad, I think he's a good coach but to say he's done a good job? I don't know. It's too tough to tell with all these injuries which certainly gets the biggest blame IMO, they have been insane. 

 

Pees has done all that he can, but has he done everything? I don't think so, as a DC there's always something else you could try. 

Edited October 16, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Ravens2343]

I know this is early to think about it, especially since we have not made a move yet, but if Pees is fired this offseason what about Gus Bradley as our D-coordinator?  There has to be atleast a 50/50 chance he gets fired this offseason if the Jags continue to show no improvement in the win column.  Just a thought I had last night, Pess definitely has lost the fan base if not his players so I think it is something worth thinking about.

[RaineV1]

I'm not sure what to make of Gus Bradley. As the DC of the Seahawks he had two pretty bad years and two pretty good years. If possible, I'd rather see the Ravens promote from within (either one of the LB coaches or Brooks). If not, then I guess it'd be worth talking to Bradley.

[JO_75]

This is me watching this Broncos/Browns game.......

 

 

 

Then watch us give up another potential win to the 49ers after seeing the Broncos D stall the Browns O that Pees couldn't stop. 

[redrum52]

This is me watching this Broncos/Browns game.......

Then watch us give up another potential win to the 49ers after seeing the Broncos D stall the Browns O that Pees couldn't stop.

You do realize, Bronco's might have the most talented defense, right? They have great players at every level.

[The Raven]

You do realize, Bronco's might have the most talented defense, right? They have great players at every level.

 

Shhh, you're not following the narrative.

[-Truth-]

You do realize, Bronco's might have the most talented defense, right? They have great players at every level.

 

Right on the money.

[JO_75]

You do realize, Bronco's might have the most talented defense, right? They have great players at every level.

 

 

Right on the money.

 

Yes I'm aware, they have a done a great job putting a great defense together. Also what's the difference from last year to this year? Wade Phillips. My point being, a defensive coordinator change for the Broncos completely made the difference for them. They weren't this good under Jack Del Rio in a 4-3 defense that they started in when Peyton first arrived. They changed to a 3-4, brought in Phillips and now the number one defense in 2015. 

[-Truth-]

Yes I'm aware, they have a done a great job putting a great defense together. Also what's the difference from last year to this year? Wade Phillips. My point being, a defensive coordinator change for the Broncos completely made the difference for them. They weren't this good under Jack Del Rio in a 4-3 defense that they started in when Peyton first arrived. They changed to a 3-4, brought in Phillips and now the number one defense in 2015. 

 

They're on pace to be arguably one of the best defenses in recent memory, that's for certain. That being said, while Phillips has obviously made a difference, it hasn't been as grave as described above. The Broncos owned easily one of the best defenses of the 2014 season. They were at or near the top in most major statistical categories and were better on tape than even those stats indicate. It would've been a different story if they went from being a middle defense to the best one in the NFL, which hasn't been the case.

[curtis0360]

You do realize, Bronco's might have the most talented defense, right? They have great players at every level.

 

You do realize, Bronco's might have the most talented defense, right? They have great players at every level.

So do we, the common misconception is that our defense has no talent. Half of this defense is filled with pro bowlers and all pros, PEES doesnt know how to use them. Its that simple. 

[curtis0360]

The Pees haters aren't going to like this at all. 

 

The Pees haters aren't going to like this at all. 

What do you expect him to say, you really think he is going to trash someone who is on this team?