The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Guest Omerta]

This is how you know you need a new DC, most of his detractors want more talent on defense,  I would say most DC's would love to have a defense with two at every level.  We have Jernigan,  Williams,  and looking an awful lot like Carl Davis is going tobe a stud as well.  Mosley and Smith,  jimmy and will hill.  And being honest most teams in the leagues 3 corners dint match ours well.

 

So is the narrative now that pees needs great players at every position.  Where it gets tricky is next week he will probably coach one heck of a ball game and his shortcomings will be forgotten until the defense lays another egg. 

[usmccharles]

Pees had him dropping in coverage most of the game. Not one of Upshaw's strengths. In fact, I saw D. Smith and Mosley in coverage TOGETHER a ridiculous amount of times. Crazy stuff.

 

We've played the bend but don't break defense but our defense always breaks. It is time to move on from Pees in a big big big way.

Upshaw in coverage was laughable to me.  Like i have been saying, i dont see anything from him that warrants praise let alone optimism.  If Babin cant make a difference we are in for a very long season

[Static]

Look at our defensive talent and tell me the problem is the players.

[ravensdfan]

Look at our defensive talent and tell me the problem is the players.

It is always the players on defense - always.

 

Last week we all agreed the offense took the loss - even though the defense gave up that 11 min drive which might have made a difference if the offense got the ball back twice instead of once. right.

 

This week they are looking at ways to blame the offense even though the defense did zero all game. Insanity.

[Static]

Dean Peas be like " How can you expect me to not give up 40 points when I dont have Hall of Famers!" 

 

 

TBH, Even in 2012 when we had Ngata and Lewis and Reed our defense was ranked 17th and the offense carried that defense to the superbowl.

 

 

That Dean Peas defense couldn't stop the Broncos and the 49ers almost came back and won it in the superbowl. 

Edited September 21, 2015 by Static

[redrum52]

It is always the players on defense - always.

Last week we all agreed the offense took the loss - even though the defense gave up that 11 min drive which might have made a difference if the offense got the ball back twice instead of once. right.

This week they are looking at ways to blame the offense even though the defense did zero all game. Insanity.

Who's blamed the offense? All people did was say Flacco missed a throw a pop warner player should be making to go up a td instead of a fg. I don't see anyone pinning it on the offense though. Unanimous decision the defense caused this.

[ravensdfan]

Who's blamed the offense? All people did was say Flacco missed a throw a pop warner player should be making to go up a td instead of a fg. I don't see anyone pinning it on the offense though. Unanimous decision the defense caused this.

Calling an errant throw a "game changer" is pretty much attempting to place blame on the offense.

 

The very fact that we have a Joe Flacco thread started after this game says we're trying to blame the offense.

 

The very fact that in a game where we put up close to 400 yds passing, our QB had a rating over 100 and a 71 completion percentage,  and we're talking about our QB says we are trying to blame the offense.

 

Heck, that we are even disucssing the offense in regards to this loss, says we are trying to blame the offense. It is absurd.

 

I did not see one Pees thread or defense thread or discussion in regards to last week's loss despite that 11 minute drive they gave up.

Edited September 21, 2015 by ravensdfan

[Dr. Kelley]

Dean Peas be like " How can you expect me to not give up 40 points when I dont have Hall of Famers!"

TBH, Even in 2012 when we had Ngata and Lewis and Reed our defense was ranked 17th and the offense carried that defense to the superbowl.

That Dean Peas defense couldn't stop the Broncos and the 49ers almost came back and won it in the superbowl.

Didn't you know? Dean Pees has to deal with injuries! How do you expect him to work under those conditions?

[PurpleCity5]

Point blank, Pees has to be more aggressive and play to the team strenghts, being an aggressive defense with a star CB who shines in Press/Man coverage. Idk about this system he has right now, it gets exposed continously. Against the Bengals he'll have to make changes.

[Dr. Kelley]

For real though

We got jimmy smith back

And then carr carved us up for 351 passing yards

Last year everyone blamed the injured secondary, what's the excuse now?

[52520Andrew]

Frankly I don't like placing blame on either side of the ball, that is a great way to divide a team. Had a giant arguement about it a couple weeks ago but yeah, in a game where it comes down to a couple plays, hard to put the loss on one unit. As good a game as Flacco had, had he hit SSS, we would have at least have been talking OT. The Ravens lost, that is all that matters.

[redrum52]

Thought I had posted this before, but who on this team puts fear in an opposing team? How many players do we have, where a team actually has to game plan around them? Offense or defense?

[Corvus]

Hate to break it to you all, but our defensive backs have played 5-10 yards off of receivers ever since Harbaugh got here, not just with Pees. Pagano with Austin were the only guys during that time that I can remember who would actually call some press coverage for our corners. I personally would rather see our corners, regardless of their individual press coverage abilty, come up at least some of the time and jam these receivers within the 5 yards they are allowed to in order to disrupt the timing on routes. I can swallow them getting burned in press easier than the same huge cushion to allow 10 yard completion after 10 yard completion. And when you're only bringing a 3 man rush over 50% of the time, that is even more reason to have a few guys pressing since you have a whopping 8 bodies in coverage. I dunno, just my two cents. And even if Pees were to go, I don't see it changing based on the past. Maybe the secondary coverage is a product of Harbs since he was briefly that position coach for the Eagles?

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not saying fire Dean Pees, but I do think his seat will be hot soon if the defense continues these struggles. The defense needs to be better by at least the fifth week.

[Static]

I'm not saying fire Dean Pees, but I do think his seat will be hot soon if the defense continues these struggles. The defense needs to be better by at least the fifth week.

 

This has been a long time coming for Peas, he has been here for 4 years.

 

 

When Peas took over in 2012 we went from 3rd ranked defense to 17

[rmcjacket23]

I'm not saying fire Dean Pees, but I do think his seat will be hot soon if the defense continues these struggles. The defense needs to be better by at least the fifth week.

Sure, but I don't buy that his seat is even really that hot right now to begin with...

 

In order for his seat to be hot, you'd have to assume that John wasn't confident in him to begin the season. By all accounts, John was supremely confident in Pees to begin the season.

 

So what really has changed? Pees defense looked unbelievably dominant in week 1, and they looked unbelievably bad in week 2. So can anybody really say with any certainty what this defense is?

 

Easy answer right now is to say that we are closer to yesterday's defense than we are to week 1's defense, but you can certainly make the other side of that argument quite easily.

 

It could be that the loss of Suggs is a lot bigger than we expected, and sort of like losing Jimmy last season, it takes at least several weeks before we learn how to play without him. 

[Ravens2343]

I'm not saying fire Dean Pees, but I do think his seat will be hot soon if the defense continues these struggles. The defense needs to be better by at least the fifth week.

 

If our defense does not get better this week we will be looking at a 0-4 start, then Pees might not be the only person in this organization with a hot seat.  I expect them to make adjustments this week and come out Sunday looking like a completely different defense in front of the home crowd.

[Static]

Jim Schwartz currently doesnt have a job. He is from Maryland and starting coaching at U of Maryland.

 

 

He was only fired by the bills because Rex wanted his own guys.

[ravensfan2430]

Hate to break it to you all, but our defensive backs have played 5-10 yards off of receivers ever since Harbaugh got here, not just with Pees. Pagano with Austin were the only guys during that time that I can remember who would actually call some press coverage for our corners. I personally would rather see our corners, regardless of their individual press coverage abilty, come up at least some of the time and jam these receivers within the 5 yards they are allowed to in order to disrupt the timing on routes. I can swallow them getting burned in press easier than the same huge cushion to allow 10 yard completion after 10 yard completion. And when you're only bringing a 3 man rush over 50% of the time, that is even more reason to have a few guys pressing since you have a whopping 8 bodies in coverage. I dunno, just my two cents. And even if Pees were to go, I don't see it changing based on the past. Maybe the secondary coverage is a product of Harbs since he was briefly that position coach for the Eagles?

Yeah, playing 12 yards off a receiver that only needs 4 yard to pick up the first is ridiculous.

[RavensFanMania]

He didn't have a good game planned called.  Plain and simple.  Last game he adjusted at halftime to man to man press coverage and it stifled them.  I can't stand staying 10 yards off the LOS when they have 2 yards to go for a first down.  Why play prevent for 60 minutes or at all for that matter.

 

We are not this bad, just like the offense wasn't that bad in game one.  There has to be a middle ground!

 

Go Ravens!

[rmcjacket23]

Jim Schwartz currently doesnt have a job. He is from Maryland and starting coaching at U of Maryland.

 

 

He was only fired by the bills because Rex wanted his own guys.

Can't see how this works at all.

 

I can't think of a single time where a time fired a HC or a Coordinator mid-season and replaced them with somebody completely outside of the organization. Certainly, that transition wouldn't work at all.

 

If you want Schwartz, that's a 2016 discussion, certainly not a 2015 one.

 

If Dean Pees were to get fired mid-season (which I don't think is a realistic consideration right now), the new DC is already a coach on this staff.

[RavensFan34950]

How long until coach Brooks gets a chance.

[berad]

Jim Schwartz currently doesnt have a job. He is from Maryland and starting coaching at U of Maryland.

 

 

He was only fired by the bills because Rex wanted his own guys.

 

I would be sick.

 

Rather elevate Martindale or Monachino. I don't know if Brooks would be into it but he's obviously an excellent positional coach. Hewitt is promising, needs more experience perhaps.

[BSHU_Miami]

How long until coach Brooks gets a chance.

When Austin left we should have done this

[berad]

How long until coach Brooks gets a chance.

 

If you mean Clarence Brooks, I don't know if he wants a DC gig. He's coached DL in the NFL since '93 and probably has had chances to advance. He's in his 60s so I don't know if he's seeking a promotion, he's most likely more than comfortable as a positional coach - and a really good one.

[PurpleCity5]

Brooks is a great coach, but I don't know if hes up for the gig. 

[RavensFan34950]

If you mean Clarence Brooks, I don't know if he wants a DC gig. He's coached DL in the NFL since '93 and probably has had chances to advance. He's in his 60s so I don't know if he's seeking a promotion, he's most likely more than comfortable as a positional coach - and a really good one.

I was a huge pees supporter but i am losing so much faith right now. We're way too talented to play like trash.

[Tru11]

That means nothing if you can't win the game.

 

so we havent won any games since pees took over in 2012?

[The Mom Gene]

so we havent won any games since pees took over in 2012?

 

In 2012 when we won the Super Bowl, he was the second coming....  Just saying.  I don't necessarily think that we shouldn't take  a look at this.  I'm typically not a basher of the coaches and coordinators...  mainly because I feel like most of the actual responsibility falls on the shoulders of players.

 

I have watched as MANY players have left our defense, and fallen flat on their faces in other organizations...  It just seems to happen that way.  I believe it has more to do with execution.  Somebody needs to light a fire under these guys....  They had a GREAT week against the Donkey's...  Maybe they got overconfident????  But yeah, they couldn't stop a kiddie carr yesterday.

[gtalk12]

Can anyone fill me in as to what happened during the game on the Defensive side of the ball? I followed on Gamecast and was

 

nowhere near delighted to see completion after completion on the Raiders side