The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Dfence4champs2052]

It probably will be based on his production though. He's a defensive guy who's team has never been good defensively under him (not necessarily his fault considering the lack of talent they have).  Irsay wants a guy who can go into New England and win. Also he's on the last year of his contract and have yet to reach any agreement. They probably move on from him unless he goes to a SB. 

 

I read somewhere he flat out turned down their extension offer and was "insulted." Will be interesting.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I am so sick of PEES Passive Zone Defense....I was sick of Mattisons Zone D rush 3.

The last real aggresdive defense we had was with Pagano.

Look at the replay of the Raiders final TD. There were 4 defenders covering space, but nobody covering the WIDE OPEN RECEIVER in the middle of the 4 defenders with their thumbs up their butts.... Either Pees goes, or this passive wussy D goes, I am sick of it stopping Nobody

[Purple Punishment]

Should've canned Peas and hired Wade Phillips....pardon my vegetable pun

[The Mom Gene]

Yeah, it might be time....  You got one of the best defensive rosters out there....  very good front 7...  very good LB corps.  and a very good secondary...  even I didn't get this one.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Haha hilarious how this thread turned.

[Wildabeast88]

I don't mind him at all. He's done a good job. With that said, I've lately wondered if we would fire Pees if, say, Pagano was fired. That would certainly be an interesting discussion since the Ravens seem content with Pees.

I guess content with mediocrity Pees is to predictable 3 man rush and corners play 10 yards off its awful bring some blitzes and play some man give Webb some help if he needs it Edited September 21, 2015 by Wildabeast88

[Wildabeast88]

By the way, real bad timing on this thread. After 1st week, Ravens are ranked as the #1 defense. Can't find much to complain about with that.

. Can we complain now

[GrimCoconut]

I think it's too early to cast Pees aside just yet. Don't get me wrong. I've been vocal about wanting other DCs, such as Austin, Phillips, & even Horton. With that said, it's hard to say what's the deal. There are times he calls a great game and other times he leaves you wondering what's up. I still don't think a reunion with Pagano is likely simply because he hasn't yet been fired and might even get other offers elsewhere and may not even want to come back. Furthermore, we would need to first fire Pees, which I just don't see happening but who knows. 

 

Harbaugh has been vocal about his disgust with giving up the game in the 4th Quarter. I could see Pees canned as a result of this continued problem.

[salamander]

. Can we complain now

Absolutely time to start complaining. Was just thinking about quoting my own post on the drive home. You beat me to it.  Let the complaining about Pees and the defense begin now for sure. From the top ranking to the bottom of the barrel is worthy of rants, including my own. Basic execution by the players was shabby as well.

Edited September 21, 2015 by salamander

[Wildabeast88]

Absolutely time to start complaining. Was just thinking about quoting my own post on the drive home. You beat me to it.  Let the complaining about Pees and the defense begin now for sure. From the top ranking to the bottom of the barrel is worthy of rants, including my own. Basic execution by the players was shabby as well.

yeah I agree I knew losing Suggs would hurt but didn't think it would be this bad. We need to blitz and play more man I m just sick of 3 man rushes and corners playing 10 yards off. It's just brutal to watch an humiliating looking up at the Browns is awful.

[PurpleCity5]

Who knows, I've been defending Pees but if he doesn't turn it around he'll get canned. 

 

Can we really say it's a personnel issue now? This DLine is great, linebackers are still great, secondary is much better in terms of talent this year than last....I don't see how you can say that's its a personnel problem. 

 

If we continue to blow 4th QTR games because of the defense....then IDK...what you do. Firing Cam Cameron led to our SB victory, but IDK if the same will happen for Pees. Our options are pretty think right now. 

 

Not to forget that we kinda don't like firing people, we prefer to lose them.

[K-Dog]

I am not saying Pees is without blame. I saw lots of missed and sissy tackles. I saw a HUGE fifteen yard penalty that made a significant difference at the worst possible time. I saw players unable to penetrate the o-line.

Well, you know. You were watching too.

[Cville-Raven]

I am not saying Pees is without blame. I saw lots of missed and sissy tackles. I saw a HUGE fifteen yard penalty that made a significant difference at the worst possible time. I saw players unable to penetrate the o-line.

Well, you know. You were watching too.

The missed tackles were really bad. A lot YAC that should have never happened.

Edited September 21, 2015 by Cville-Raven

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Ha! Bend but don't break. Lol more like bend then break in the last minutes of 4th quarter and lose.

[PoeDinkum]

As folks more knowledgeable than me have pointed out, I too am just sick of watching guys look at each other after we blow coverage. Seems like it happens more to us than other teams, almost like our defense confuses us more than the opponent. Also, now that our personnel is "improved/healthy" I don't understand why our 2 minute defense continues to function as a seive.

 

As a result I hold the person in charge accountable and that is Pees.

[PurpleCity5]

I am not saying Pees is without blame. I saw lots of missed and sissy tackles. I saw a HUGE fifteen yard penalty that made a significant difference at the worst possible time. I saw players unable to penetrate the o-line.

Well, you know. You were watching too.

Missed tackles was a problem last season and is one this season, a team like Seattle can do what we're trying because they're great at tackling. Pees needs to try something else.

[Maryland]

I am not saying Pees is without blame. I saw lots of missed and sissy tackles. I saw a HUGE fifteen yard penalty that made a significant difference at the worst possible time. I saw players unable to penetrate the o-line.

Well, you know. You were watching too.

That's true. This game was uncharacteristically sloppy, even with making fundamental tackles and just being disciplined. Jimmy had an uncharacteristically bad game, maybe his worst game since 2012. Can't pin it all on Pees. 

 

Plus Webb seems to be at the point where he just can't play anymore. He has to play too far off to avoid getting beat deep. Maybe Rashaan Melvin can step in once he's healthy, but even then, this secondary is really thin. Point being, no defensive coordinator with Webb as his #2 CB can stop him from getting burned repeatedly. 

[bMore Heathen]

I think it's too early to cast Pees aside just yet. Don't get me wrong. I've been vocal about wanting other DCs, such as Austin, Phillips, & even Horton. With that said, it's hard to say what's the deal. There are times he calls a great game and other times he leaves you wondering what's up. I still don't think a reunion with Pagano is likely simply because he hasn't yet been fired and might even get other offers elsewhere and may not even want to come back. Furthermore, we would need to first fire Pees, which I just don't see happening but who knows.

Harbaugh has been vocal about his disgust with giving up the game in the 4th Quarter. I could see Pees canned as a result of this continued problem.

People keep saying we played great in week 1... Did we really? Peyton has proved he can't play under center anymore and he can't throw on the run. (Both essential in Kubs system) When they won the game against KC, they went to the gun and threw out Kubs ZBS and started running power plays and draws out of the gun. Against us, Peyton had plenty of open receivers, he just couldn't get the ball to him. The pass rush was good, but the fundamental problems with Pees remains. Soft coverage that allows teams to ding and dunk down field, and poor tackling.

Now, I'm not saying I would be a great DC or anything, but if my teams struggles with tackling, I'm working on it all TC every practice until my guys show they can do it. The guys system just doesn't work if the offense isn't putting up points, which we are not. We could spend high picks on the d every year, and we will have the same results because of the system. If he HAS to play 10 yards off, and the pass rush isn't getting to the QB, you have to drop the ends into the flat to at least challenge those 4 yard hitches. You can't just make it THAT easy.

Edited September 21, 2015 by bMore Heathen

[Tru11]

pees has a job because his defense does not fall below #12 in points given up.

 

12 out 32 is better then avg.

 

last year ravens defense was #8 overall and #8 in points given up.....

[52520Andrew]

The missed tackles were really bad. A lot YAC that should have never happened.

They were huge, we had guys playing off sure but if they make tackles, a lot of those gains don't happen. They would nust throw it to the side on what should be a simple 3-5 yard gain and our guys would turn that into 15 yards.

Edited September 21, 2015 by 52520Andrew

[Maryland]

If you look at the team stats across the league, you quickly realize that it could certainly be worse than what we've had with Pees. He usually has us top-12 in points allowed and somewhere in the teens with total yards since 2012. I think most of the frustration from fans comes with thinking that another DC could do better with our talent; that Pees is not playing up to the roster's potential by having our defense in that top 12-8 range. I agree and disagree.

 

The level-headed side of me admits that our pass rush is weak w/o Suggs, our secondary is vulnerable as long as Webb is on the field (Kendrick Lewis isn't impressing me either), and we miss a surprising amount of tackles. The DC can't make untalented players talented (although he could certainly stop putting Upshaw into coverage situations).

 

Meanwhile, the emotional side of me sees a lot of young talent on defense and believes a better DC could use guys like B.Williams, Jernigan, C.Davis, Mosley, Jimmy, W.Hill, etc. more effectively. Plus the soft coverage is very frustrating to watch. 

 

I guess it's a matter of whether you believe this defense would struggle with or without Pees. I don't think there is a DC who could make this pass rush look good with Doom as our only good rush-LB and Webb as our #2 CB, but there are probably DC's out there who could do better than Pees. 

[RaineV1]

Pees' bend, don't break defense would be alright if it actually followed through with that second part: don't break. It seems like most OCs in the league make adjustments and end up breaking that defense in the 3rd and 4th quarters. I don't think Pees is the sole problem, but he's not part of the solution. But yeah, since the season has started options are kinda thin right now. The only guy I can think of to replace him as an interim DC would be Ted Monachino.

[Ravens2343]

If you look at the team stats across the league, you quickly realize that it could certainly be worse than what we've had with Pees. He usually has us top-12 in points allowed and somewhere in the teens with total yards since 2012. I think most of the frustration from fans comes with thinking that another DC could do better with our talent; that Pees is not playing up to the roster's potential by having our defense in that top 12-8 range. I agree and disagree.

 

The level-headed side of me admits that our pass rush is weak w/o Suggs, our secondary is vulnerable as long as Webb is on the field (Kendrick Lewis isn't impressing me either), and we miss a surprising amount of tackles. The DC can't make untalented players talented (although he could certainly stop putting Upshaw into coverage situations).

 

Meanwhile, the emotional side of me sees a lot of young talent on defense and believes a better DC could use guys like B.Williams, Jernigan, C.Davis, Mosley, Jimmy, W.Hill, etc. more effectively. Plus the soft coverage is very frustrating to watch. 

 

I guess it's a matter of whether you believe this defense would struggle with or without Pees. I don't think there is a DC who could make this pass rush look good with Doom as our only good rush-LB and Webb as our #2 CB, but there are probably DC's out there who could do better than Pees. 

 

I for one think it is time to move on from Pees, or atleast if I was Harbaugh I would start thinking about a change.  I would like Pees to be more aggressive and have our players play to their strengths.  Jimmy Smith is better at playing press man, he does well at jamming receivers at the line and using his speed and length to catch up to receivers. Yesterday I did not see Smith jam Cooper one single time (its possible I missed it but it was not often).  I would be more satisfied if we lost a game where we were aggressive with coverage and blitzing instead of losing like we did yesterday where we sat back and dared a team to push the ball up the field.  I think this defense even without Suggs has a ton of potential and could be top 5, but we need to take chances and put our players in positions to create turnovers and sacks, not just let them sit back and pray they make a tackle.

[usmccharles]

Did anyone see anything good from Upshaw?

[ravensdfan]

Did anyone see anything good from Upshaw?

Pees had him dropping in coverage most of the game. Not one of Upshaw's strengths. In fact, I saw D. Smith and Mosley in coverage TOGETHER a ridiculous amount of times. Crazy stuff.

 

We've played the bend but don't break defense but our defense always breaks. It is time to move on from Pees in a big big big way.

Edited September 21, 2015 by ravensdfan

[redrum52]

Did anyone see anything good from Upshaw?

He didn't offer much rushing the passers-by either. On the last few series, went sent to rush, he looked SLUGGISH getting there. There's also the fact, that when we did blitz, there was still barely any pressure.

Edited September 21, 2015 by redrum52

[salamander]

Although we would never hear a peep from the FO, I am sure they are keeping an eye on the Pagano situation. There is a lot of season left and Pees may right the ship, but if he doesn't and Pagano isn't renewed as HC in Indy, I know the Ravens love Pagano as a DC. Of course, another team may swoop him up as HC elsewhere first. We don't know where the Ravens will end up this season defensively but if Pees continues to falter on defense as badly as he did today, his job could be in jeopardy.

[ravensdfan]

Although we would never hear a peep from the FO, I am sure they are keeping an eye on the Pagano situation. There is a lot of season left and Pees may right the ship, but if he doesn't and Pagano isn't renewed as HC in Indy, I know the Ravens love Pagano as a DC. Of course, another team may swoop him up as HC elsewhere first. We don't know where the Ravens will end up this season defensively but if Pees continues to falter on defense as badly as he did today, his job could be in jeopardy.

They had the man to replace him in their hands, Austin, and they let him walk. We can't take an entire season of Pees - it will be a disaster with the schedule we have and the offenses we face, many of which have decent defenses as well. The offense will NOT put up these kinds of points on a consistent basis against those defenses.

[Dr. Kelley]

pees has a job because his defense does not fall below #12 in points given up.

12 out 32 is better then avg.'

last year ravens defense was #8 overall and #8 in points given up.....

That means nothing if you can't win the game.

[Dr. Kelley]

Its funny how the a Pees acolytes who spent most of the thread talking down about Pees' critics have all run and hid.