The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This conversation is getting old.

I always disagree but can at least understand some angst after a game like the loss in NE last year... But right now it's just silly.

The defense held Denver out of the end zone the entire game. Got consistent pressure, sacked Manning 4 times, scored a TD, etc...

Everyone questioned our run defense after losing Ngata and even without Jernigan we held a preseason breakout darling CJ Anderson to nothing. And that was against Kubiaks lauded running game.

Peyton Manning with all his targets did nothing. He was obviously rattled most of the game. Even when there were opportunities open down field he couldn't deliver bc he was rushing and expecting to get hit.

If Flacco doesn't throw that pick 6 we win the game all because of brilliant play by the defense.

Please tell me, what more did the defense have to do for Pees to get your respect??

When we lose and the D plays bad it's Pees fault... When they play dominant football he gets no credit. Makes zero sense.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I don't think you can fire Pees for Pagano if Pees is doing well with the defense. I think he's done a great job with little at his disposal at times. He's far more handcuffed than Chuck was. The players liked Chuck, though, and I think the team does as well.

I just don't think he'll come back here. I am waiting for the threads when he gets fired. I'm pretty sure he's on the hotseat

He is on the hot seat though I don't understand it. They've progressed every year he's been there.

And I don't think he has much say in personnel. I doubt he would have approved picking Dorsett Rd 1 with Hilton there, signing Andre and an emerging Moncrief already on the roster.

If anything the GM should be on the hot seat. That trade for Richardson and failing to address gaping holes on the defense.

And despite that they've gone further in the postseason each year. If they do let Pagano go I think theyll end up regretting the decision.

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Do you think Jim Harbaugh would leave Michigan if an opportunity to coach Luck in Indy opened up? I know michigan is his dream job but he's a competitive guy and feel people like that want to be playing/coaching and proving themselves at the highest level.

Maybe a reunion with Luck and having his QB already in place for the long term could entice him back to the NFL? Just a thought.

Edited September 20, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Maryland]

^Good points. Colts' GM has made some really questionable decisions. 

 

At least Pees has no HC aspirations. If we did, for some reason, bring back Pagano, it could be another 1-year rental until he finds a new HC gig. No doubt he would work wonders with our talented roster and be right back in the HC discussion. 

[BmoreBird22]

id put that on the front office before pagano, he is a hell of a defensive mind with a garbage defensive roster and getting no help in that regard.

I would absolutely put blame on Pagano. Coaches, especially head coaches who specialize as an offensive or defensive play caller, have a good deal of influence in who the team tries to bring in and drafts.

And they have signed and acquired some big name defensive players. They aren't completely ignoring the defense at all.

[Raven'evermore]

 I was one of the people who were upset with Pees. It just seemed odd that so many often the dbs were playing way off the receivers.  With that said, this is a new year.  No sense looking into the past and even though it's only been one game, this defense looks scary good.  Excellent play calling.  Shame about Suggs though. 

[Cville-Raven]

They're talking about firing Pagano already?

 

guy is probably gone after this season

[redrum52]

They're talking about firing Pagano already?

Yup. Crazy. Maybe if their GM did their job, they'd see what an asset Pagano is.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Seriously dude, what team are you watching?

[redrum52]

These Anti-Pees threads are hilarious. The defense has more TDs than the offense and the OP thinks that Pees isn't impressive? Let's see:

1) CJ Anderson shut down

2) Pick 6 on Peyton

3) Peyton limited to only 175 yards.

4) Manning sacked 4 times.

5) Demaryius Thomas held to 60 yards and no score.

The biggest issue on defense was guarding in the gaps of the zones. Sanders was an absolute killer and we had no answer for him. Maybe if Melvin was health for the game then things would be different.

I'm more concerned over the offense. A better thread topic would be "Not impressed with Trestman". Even that, the Bronco's are looking like the most dangerous defense in the league so far.

Every Pees complaint from the season prior was met, yet people are still made. It's comical. Pressure, blitzes, a turnover, sacks and people are still mad. The lead people complain about him not being able to play with, was given to the team off a defensive TD... which by the way was given up by the offense. I don't know what the hell people want from him.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I just hate the 15 yards off the WRs in nearly every situation. 

[flynismo]

Like Mattison all over again....a very good DC who isn't liked by the fans because he isn't flashy or whose idea of a pass rush is sending in six guys every down.

[Purple_City39]

Like Mattison all over again....a very good DC who isn't liked by the fans because he isn't flashy or whose idea of a pass rush is sending in six guys every down.

Pretty much.  People were spoiled by Rex and Pagano and don't even realize why.  Look at the CBs under our last 4 DCs.

 

Rex Ryan - Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle in their primes.  Rex could absolutely blitz and not worry about much because not only could those two cover, they could tackle very well.  Add in a pre-nerve impingement Ed Reed and sure tackling Dawan Landry/Will Demps

 

Gregg Mattison - His CBs were mostly Fabian Washington and Dominque Foxworth.  Seriously folks, you can't blitz heavy with these two.  Washington struggled to tackle and neither could cover that well.  I feel like these two also slipped and fell on double moves and no moves more than any CB duo I've ever seen.

 

Chuck Pagano - For one year, he had Lardarius Webb and Cary Williams at their best.  Webb was a top 3 CB in 2011 and Cary was no slouch either

 

Dean Pees - He's had a mix.  Mostly a broken Webb, still developing Jimmy, Corey Graham, and Cary Williams while fading in 2012 and 2013.  Last year he had converted safeties, straight off the practice squad guys, and other bums who aren't on any rosters currently in addition to a broken Webb after Jimmy went down.  

 

Considering what Mattison had, I wouldn't have blitzed much either.  You guys remember that 2009 Colts play game where Foxworth, a veteran, was beaten as badly as Melvin was last year?  For Pees, also remember he's dealt with injuries all over the defense on a level none of these other guys had to deal with.  Dean's done great overall

[1/28/01]

guy is probably gone after this season

If so, due to retiring, certainly not based on production.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

How to be a Ravens fan

Did the Ravens Win?

                                                                       Yes                                 No

                                                                          |                                     | 

                                                                    Was it impressive?            Season is over. Fire/cut everyone
                                                                    Yes          No

                                                                        |            |

                                                                   SB Bound    See no

 

 

That's basically this thread right here. Some people will never be pleased. 

Edited September 20, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Tank 92]

 

How to be a Ravens fan

Did the Ravens Win?

                                                                       Yes                                 No

                                                                          |                                     | 

                                                                    Was it impressive?            Season is over. Fire/cut everyone

                                                                    Yes          No

                                                                        |            |

                                                                   SB Bound    See no

 

 

That's basically this thread right here. Some people will never be pleased. 

 

 

not just this thread............lol

[K-Dog]

Its Cams fault.

[balfan23]

I don't think you can fire Pees for Pagano if Pees is doing well with the defense. I think he's done a great job with little at his disposal at times. He's far more handcuffed than Chuck was. The players liked Chuck, though, and I think the team does as well.

I just don't think he'll come back here. I am waiting for the threads when he gets fired. I'm pretty sure he's on the hotseat

Yup ... as an organization are not unhappy with Pees. We don't take handing out pink slips lightly. 

[Maryland]

Mattison would play prevent-nothing defense to end games. It's kind of like watching Don Capers, very frustrating and inevitable. Really surprised people miss him. 

[Gtown Purple]

Our defense gave up 12 points to denver who scored over 20 on KC and they suck? My only gripe with Pees was all the 3 man rush crap that didn't work against Denver but far from being poor. You really need to move on from last year dude. As far as blitzing goes, you can't just sit in base defense and expect to get good results.

[Ravensfan23]

Pretty much.  People were spoiled by Rex and Pagano and don't even realize why.  Look at the CBs under our last 4 DCs.

 

Rex Ryan - Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle in their primes.  Rex could absolutely blitz and not worry about much because not only could those two cover, they could tackle very well.  Add in a pre-nerve impingement Ed Reed and sure tackling Dawan Landry/Will Demps

 

Gregg Mattison - His CBs were mostly Fabian Washington and Dominque Foxworth.  Seriously folks, you can't blitz heavy with these two.  Washington struggled to tackle and neither could cover that well.  I feel like these two also slipped and fell on double moves and no moves more than any CB duo I've ever seen.

 

Chuck Pagano - For one year, he had Lardarius Webb and Cary Williams at their best.  Webb was a top 3 CB in 2011 and Cary was no slouch either

 

Dean Pees - He's had a mix.  Mostly a broken Webb, still developing Jimmy, Corey Graham, and Cary Williams while fading in 2012 and 2013.  Last year he had converted safeties, straight off the practice squad guys, and other bums who aren't on any rosters currently in addition to a broken Webb after Jimmy went down.  

 

Considering what Mattison had, I wouldn't have blitzed much either.  You guys remember that 2009 Colts play game where Foxworth, a veteran, was beaten as badly as Melvin was last year?  For Pees, also remember he's dealt with injuries all over the defense on a level none of these other guys had to deal with.  Dean's done great overall

Anybody remember the defense when Rex had to rely on Derrick Martin, David Pittman and Ronnie Prude? Good times

[JEEPercreepermd]

Anybody remember the defense when Rex had to rely on Derrick Martin, David Pittman and Ronnie Prude? Good times

Good lord they were bad. I remember the game in Pittsburgh, where Rees got hurt on that Hines Ward cheap shot..I think the Steelers had 35 points before the half.

Then it hit absolute rock bottom when they let the Dolphins drive on them in OT and lose the game to what SHOULD have been an 0-16 team. Absolutely disgusting.

Also, you forgot the great Corey Ivy

Edited September 20, 2015 by JEEPercreepermd

[Ravensfan23]

Good lord they were bad. I remember the game in Pittsburgh, where Rees got hurt on that Hines Ward cheap shot..I think the Steelers had 35 points before the half.

Then it hit absolute rock bottom when they let the Dolphins drive on them in OT and lose the game to what SHOULD have been an 0-16 team. Absolutely disgusting.

Also, you forgot the great Corey Ivy

Yea even the great Rex Ryan can't be successful without quality players to play his scheme. Everyone has a right to voice their own opinion, but if you were a Ravens fan between the years of 2002-2008 you saw some really bad teams. Really made you appreciate guys like Ray, Ed, JO and Heap because they made the Ravens look so much better then we were at the time.

[Cville-Raven]

If so, due to retiring, certainly not based on production.

It probably will be based on his production though. He's a defensive guy who's team has never been good defensively under him (not necessarily his fault considering the lack of talent they have).  Irsay wants a guy who can go into New England and win. Also he's on the last year of his contract and have yet to reach any agreement. They probably move on from him unless he goes to a SB. 

Edited September 20, 2015 by Cville-Raven

[Boldin2010]

OP was speaking from hindsight....Our def is gonna be reckoned with...as long as our shutdown #1 Jimmy is healthy, our front 7 will do damges....

[Guest Omerta]

Good lord they were bad. I remember the game in Pittsburgh, where Rees got hurt on that Hines Ward cheap shot..I think the Steelers had 35 points before the half.

Then it hit absolute rock bottom when they let the Dolphins drive on them in OT and lose the game to what SHOULD have been an 0-16 team. Absolutely disgusting.

Also, you forgot the great Corey Ivy

So you are saying that Cleo lemon was in fact not a Pro-Bowler....Or Greg Camarillo for that matter. That season and defense was horrible.

[baltimorefan328]

I guess giving up 12 points to Peyton Manning isn't very good...

[gabefergy]

some people just like to complain. Pees had an amazing gameplan to beat the Broncos and if the offense hadn't been incapable of scoring, it would have ended up as a W.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Yea even the great Rex Ryan can't be successful without quality players to play his scheme. Everyone has a right to voice their own opinion, but if you were a Ravens fan between the years of 2002-2008 you saw some really bad teams. Really made you appreciate guys like Ray, Ed, JO and Heap because they made the Ravens look so much better then we were at the time.

Oh yeah I remember Ed Reed's rookie season...pretty sure he single handedly beat the Arizona Cardinals and Redskins.

Jeeze, that defense took offenses with Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright and ZERO talent at WR to the playoffs a few times in that span.

We never had back to back playoff season except for in 01 after the Super Bowl when Elvis Grbac couldn't handle the pressure of managing a game behind what was still an amazing defense.

We've been spoiled over the last 7 or 8 years.

[Ravensfan23]

Oh yeah I remember Ed Reed's rookie season...pretty sure he single handedly beat the Arizona Cardinals and Redskins.

Jeeze, that defense took offenses with Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright and ZERO talent at WR to the playoffs a few times in that span.

We never had back to back playoff season except for in 01 after the Super Bowl when Elvis Grbac couldn't handle the pressure of managing a game behind what was still an amazing defense.

We've been spoiled over the last 7 or 8 years.

Yea definitely. Even in 06 with Mac9 under center the offense wasn't that good. He was obviously better than Boller and Wright but everything people are saying about Peyton being a shell of himself this year was definitely true about Steve. That Colts playoff game was sad to watch.

Only games i can remember the offense playing really well under Boller and Wright was Wright vs Seattle the comeback. Boller vs the Packers and Pats. Other then Jlew vs the Browns i can't remember the offense ever playing well. It was so bad i remember having a mini celebration for about 10 minutes when i heard TO was coming and when he pulled the crap he did, i remember not even being upset because i understood the logic behind not wanting anything to do with the offense.

[Dfence4champs2052]

some people just like to complain. Pees had an amazing gameplan to beat the Broncos and if the offense hadn't been incapable of scoring, it would have ended up as a W.