The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[Dubs]

I have been a big defender of Pees in the past but I have to change my tune now. This week against Pittsburgh is gonna be big for morale at every level. i hope we win so things just don't implode as I expect things will be a little crazy if we go 0-4...maybe that is a good thing but I do NOT want it to see it come at the expense of young players like Timmy, Carl Davis, Terrance Brooks, Melvin, Cj and all the rest loosing confidence and swagger for the future. That to me would be the worst possible situation going into next year.

 

On that note what to do so we do not ruin the development of young guys. I do think we need to move on from Pees. I am one of it is much easier to sit with failure if you go down trying hard, guns a blazing, full out...not sure Pees is doing that and the failure seems to sting more as we just seem to go down and loose as we play simple and careful schemes in the hopes that one of the young guys is not in a bad spot, but in the end we are. In short I would rather live and die by the blitz at this point then what we have been doing, which is live and die by the cushion...it just stings more. 

[darklight1216]

That is a terrible reason to keep a coach. If he's been consistantly bad, what good is continuity? To always be bad? There no advantage there. The price of being a good team is other teams try to poach your coaches and players.

Amen to that. Who would trade the Lombardi for Caldwell? 

[GrimCoconut]

Amen to that. Who would trade the Lombardi for Caldwell?

Caldwell was good???

[ratedr]

Caldwell was good???

He was good for those couple games at least...Detroit's offense hasn't looked great with him though.

[GrimCoconut]

He was good for those couple games at least...Detroit's offense hasn't looked great with him though.

Yeah, he was good for the playoff run but that was it. Lol I didn't think he was good at all. I was happy he left.

[balfan23]

Our secondary can't cover well. That's not Pees' fault.

I'm through with being a Pees apologist. I was saying that the end of last year. We got Jimmy back, Webb is healthy enough to play and we added new players. They are not world-beaters, but no one in this group is as bad as what they look like now. 

 

We've survived defensively under Pees ... for a while it was good enough. But there is no denying that we let leads slip and play well below par at the end of games. 

 

Do we fire him tomorrow? No, probably not. But I have to think he knows the organization is none too happy and his job is in jeopardy. 

[jazz1988]

I remember last year after the bye Kubiak said he'd simplify things, and it helped a lot.

 

If Pees's defense is that complicated, with the defense clearly struggling he should simplify things. But it doesn't appear that he thinks anything is at all wrong with his scheme.

 

It might help.Kubiak probably had more williness to do since he was actually new to the team but Pees had been with The Ravens for 3 years  so he may feel like the players should have his defensive scheme down to a T.

[ravensdfan]

Atleast with Pees you know he doesn't want to be a head coach. Do we really want a revolving door like we had for our OCs?

 

 

Our secondary can't cover well. That's not Pees' fault.

I want a defense that actually plays NFL defense. That can actually get a stop at the end of a half and a game. Our secondary has been suspect year after year after year. Either Ozzie has hit dementia and cannot find good FA additions and can't draft worth a crap or , it is the coaching. Don't even blame the new secondary coach because this is not a new this year problem. Sorry but when something is an issue year in and year out, especially since the players change, it is not the players.

[GhostofGrbac]

Pees should have been fired the second he put a safety who runs a 4.73 on AJ Green. But I'm sure he and Harbaugh will blame the players like they always do.

[ravensdfan]

Pees should have been fired the second he put a safety who runs a 4.73 on AJ Green. But I'm sure he and Harbaugh will blame the players like they always do.

Wouldn't that have been last season when he put Chykie on him?

 

I don't see Harbaugh placing all the blame on the players.

[ratedr]

I'm not convinced Pees knows what he's doing at all with the secondary, seems like he just enjoys playing musical chairs with everyone.

[JO_75]

Our schedule says we can rebound from this 0-3 start but Dean Pees says no it won't happen. Is Biscotti waiting until we go to 0-4 and fall to 0-2 in the division to step in and fire him? I guess I can understand not firing him on a short week but still, he should not be our DC at this moment. 

[GhostofGrbac]

Wouldn't that have been last season when he put Chykie on him?

 

I don't see Harbaugh placing all the blame on the players.

 

Chykie was a CB with sub 4.4 speed. It was stupid because Chykie sucked, but he's all we had at that point. 

[ravensdfan]

Chykie was a CB with sub 4.4 speed. It was stupid because Chykie sucked, but he's all we had at that point. 

um Jimmy was playing that game.

[PurpleCity5]

The expectations from Pees himself was that the secondary would be better. So how on earth could it have regressed from what we saw last year? If you ask me, last years secondary looks better than this years! Do you have any idea how maddening that is? I've given it time and I think it's time to move on from Pees. I'm sorry but there needs to be change. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

Was it the godfather Biscotti who stepped in and fired Cam? Or was it Harbs himself. I recall Harbs saying firing Cam was one of the hardest things he had to do. If so, I don't know how long Pees will be here. It would seem unlikely for him to stick around for more than this season. 

[PurpleCity5]

On a side note, we've lost 4 straight games in which we had the lead in the 4th QTR. NE, Den, Oak, and now Cin. 3 of the 4 you can credit the defense for. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Cillmatic]

Anyone forget we lost our secondary coach ...... since then our secondary has become very undisciplined ...

When the DC gets fired the secondary coach is going with him.

[polynesian15]

He was talking about the Andy Dalton TD not the Green TD.

Roger that, my bad. Mosley is a stud, but he got schooled on that play 

[GhostofGrbac]

um Jimmy was playing that game.

 

Um I understand that. Chykie started that game because Webb was out. So like I said he was all we had at that point. It's unrealistic to expect a CB to shadow the #1 WR the entire game. That just doesn't happen anymore. 

[PurpleCity5]

Um I understand that. Chykie started that game because Webb was out. So like I said he was all we had at that point. It's unrealistic to expect a CB to shadow the #1 WR the entire game. That just doesn't happen anymore. 

Case and point, Aqib Talib vs Calvin Johnson. You can also look at Joe Haden vs Antonio Brown. 

Edited September 28, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[ravensdfan]

Um I understand that. Chykie started that game because Webb was out. So like I said he was all we had at that point. It's unrealistic to expect a CB to shadow the #1 WR the entire game. That just doesn't happen anymore. 

This was at the end of the game and meant the game. So, yeah, no. It was stupid, just like moving Arrington there. And you're also wrong. It happens all the time.

Edited September 28, 2015 by ravensdfan

[redrum52]

This was the same DC who thought it good to leave Ellis Hobbs on an island with Plaxico Burress in the SB. I question his match ups at times, but players have to do their job as well.

[ravens rule]

I'm convinced we play zone coverage like 80 % of the time. We gotta stop giving these wr's 20 yard cushions and Kyle Arrington should strictly play inside. 

[rmcjacket23]

Was it the godfather Biscotti who stepped in and fired Cam? Or was it Harbs himself. I recall Harbs saying firing Cam was one of the hardest things he had to do. If so, I don't know how long Pees will be here. It would seem unlikely for him to stick around for more than this season. 

No. He was not involved. Its just another fan generated myth that Steve made John fire Cam. It didn't happen that way, and there's no evidence it did happen that way.

 

It was John's call, and by all indication, he didn't consult with Joe or anybody else regarding it.

[usmccharles]

So the Panthers get Jared Allen for a th round pick... Apparently you can go after past rushers via trade, I'm guessing his salary is a little Hugh?

[PurpleCity5]

No. He was not involved. Its just another fan generated myth that Steve made John fire Cam. It didn't happen that way, and there's no evidence it did happen that way.

It was John's call, and by all indication, he didn't consult with Joe or anybody else regarding it.

Yeah I just read about it from an article about an hour ago, I saw it here so I just wanted to ask. Yeah its a myth.

[rmcjacket23]

So the Panthers get Jared Allen for a th round pick... Apparently you can go after past rushers via trade, I'm guessing his salary is a little Hugh?

He's also not very good anymore, so he's high priced and not very productive.

[rmw10]

So the Panthers get Jared Allen for a th round pick... Apparently you can go after past rushers via trade, I'm guessing his salary is a little Hugh?

 

They only moved him because he's not a fit for the 3-4.  It just hasn't worked out for him.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I'm convinced we play zone coverage like 80 % of the time. We gotta stop giving these wr's 20 yard cushions and Kyle Arrington should strictly play inside.

When we play Zone, (More like 95% of the time) we stand there like statues, never anticipate who might actually be the target, then the guy gets in between 4 defenders, catches the ball, makes a cut move and gets yac or a td. Its pretty bad. Smh. And we keep doing it, hoping for different results.....smh