The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[ratedr]

We had 2 and people complained just as much then.

Didn't really become a serious fan until 2010, so I'll admit I don't remember much about 2009. I do remember that 2010 team giving up a lot of leads though. But that was a combination of Mattison prevent and Cam's offenses simply not scoring after halftime.

[Edgar]

"I knew i had a safety on me and he gave me a big cushion" AJ Green commenting on the 1 play 8o yard drive to regain the lead.

[redrum52]

Even Mattison wasn't this soft.

He was softwr. How quickly people forget. King of the 3 man rush. He also still had a very healthy Lewis, Ngata, Reed and Suggs. The corners were suspect though, but that front 7 was just as nasty and had a highly productive Reed roaming the backfield.

[RaineV1]

The Ravens do have a history of success when it comes to promoting a positional coach to the DC spot. I really wouldn't mind giving Martindale or Monachino a shot. As they know our linebackers like the back of their hands, they'd probably be the ones with the best chance of improving our pass rush, and getting Babin on the field.

[rmw10]

It's long been stated that Pees' defense is incredibly complex.  We routinely have guys come in midseason that say they've played in a similar defense but just need to learn terminology, and then proceed to sit out a couple of weeks because they don't have it down yet.  Simplicity might be key.  It seems a lot of issues right now are miscommunication, which should not be happening considering our secondary, and especially the safeties, have been playing together for many months now.

[52520Andrew]

It's long been stated that Pees' defense is incredibly complex.  We routinely have guys come in midseason that say they've played in a similar defense but just need to learn terminology, and then proceed to sit out a couple of weeks because they don't have it down yet.  Simplicity might be key.  It seems a lot of issues right now are miscommunication, which should not be happening considering our secondary, and especially the safeties, have been playing together for many months now.

 

Yeah a complex defense is great and all to confuse the offense but not if it confuses our guys as well. Part of what made Kubiak so effective for us on offense last year(for me at least) was that the system was very simple and easy to learn. Could be something to consider

[Tank 92]

"I knew i had a safety on me and he gave me a big cushion" AJ Green commenting on the 1 play 8o yard drive to regain the lead.

 

 

Jimmy should have made the tackle at the 20.

[rmcjacket23]

Jimmy should have made the tackle at the 20.

Or Will Hill, who missed several on the day, including Dalton himself embarrassing him on his TD run.

[Static]

Or Will Hill, who missed several on the day, including Dalton himself embarrassing him on his TD run.

 

That was Mosley. and as far as I know those two were the only missed tackles.

[Guest Omerta]

I like promoting from with,  but they always get poached. I have a feeling Monachino would get us right,  but he would be here a couple years and gone.  I like consistently,  but boy consistently failing... that sucks.  How long does anyone thing Monachino or Martindale would stay ? I really like Clarence Brooks and if we lost him in not sure it would be worth promoting him for two years.  The problem I have is I know they all deserve it,  I could not on good conscience purposefully keep them down.  Even at that there is no guarantee they won't get poached anyway ala Austin. 

[Tru11]

"I knew i had a safety on me and he gave me a big cushion" AJ Green commenting on the 1 play 8o yard drive to regain the lead.

 

will hill was supposed to be over the top lol.

 

he failed to get there and then he and jimmy proceeded to miss the tackle and then tackle each other where lewis was just jogging downfield instead of hustling downfield like we expect from any raven.

[polynesian15]

That was Mosley. and as far as I know those two were the only missed tackles.

I'm also pretty sure that was Hill, who somehow collided with Jimmy allowing AJ to waltz into the endzone.   

Woops, but just like Tru said.

 

Edited September 28, 2015 by polynesian15

[Willbacker]

The Ravens do have a history of success when it comes to promoting a positional coach to the DC spot. I really wouldn't mind giving Martindale or Monachino a shot. As they know our linebackers like the back of their hands, they'd probably be the ones with the best chance of improving our pass rush, and getting Babin on the field.

They can only promote from within. Sometimes players play harder for a certain coach and its worth the roll of the dice. Pees gotta go but they'll wait until its too late.

 

He was softwr. How quickly people forget. King of the 3 man rush. He also still had a very healthy Lewis, Ngata, Reed and Suggs. The corners were suspect though, but that front 7 was just as nasty and had a highly productive Reed roaming the backfield.

Yeah I cant believe he said Pees is softer than Mattison. If you had a totem pole Mattison would definitely be on the bottom with Pees one rung up.

 

It's long been stated that Pees' defense is incredibly complex.  We routinely have guys come in midseason that say they've played in a similar defense but just need to learn terminology, and then proceed to sit out a couple of weeks because they don't have it down yet.  Simplicity might be key.  It seems a lot of issues right now are miscommunication, which should not be happening considering our secondary, and especially the safeties, have been playing together for many months now.

Pees refuses to believe his scheme is the problem. Totally agree with what you said about complexity

[Willbacker]

I'm also pretty sure that was Hill, who somehow collided with Jimmy allowing AJ to waltz into the endzone.   

Woops, but just like Tru said.

 

He was talking about the Andy Dalton TD not the Green TD.

[jazz1988]

He was softwr. How quickly people forget. King of the 3 man rush. He also still had a very healthy Lewis, Ngata, Reed and Suggs. The corners were suspect though, but that front 7 was just as nasty and had a highly productive Reed roaming the backfield.

 

I'm not sure if Mattison was softer but his defense stat wise was more productive . He also had cornerbacks like Chris Carr, Donte Foxworth and etc that fit the zone scheme alot better than the corners we have now.

[cushrinada1986]

This may be a chemistry thing along with younger players still learning their roles. When you have a somewhat young defense like ours it takes time to get those plays as well as instincts down to really get those probowl plays. Lets not forget that we really dont have many defensive leaders left on the team now suggs is gone. We have leaders just not like we did with Suggs, Ngata, Lewis, Reed, etc. Doom and Smith are great players but we could use some more veteran leadership from somewhere. Kinda make you think about how blessed we were to have Reed, Lewis, ngata, and Suggs all on one team at one time....

[Edgar]

will hill was supposed to be over the top lol.

 

he failed to get there and then he and jimmy proceeded to miss the tackle and then tackle each other where lewis was just jogging downfield instead of hustling downfield like we expect from any raven.

watching lewis, he appeared to be thinking..."they got him, no need to run in case they don't".

[RaineV1]

I like promoting from with,  but they always get poached. I have a feeling Monachino would get us right,  but he would be here a couple years and gone.  I like consistently,  but boy consistently failing... that sucks.  How long does anyone thing Monachino or Martindale would stay ? I really like Clarence Brooks and if we lost him in not sure it would be worth promoting him for two years.  The problem I have is I know they all deserve it,  I could not on good conscience purposefully keep them down.  Even at that there is no guarantee they won't get poached anyway ala Austin. 

The truth is that any good coordinator under the age of 60 has a chance to be poached. All you can hope for is one that wants to take the Dick Lebeau route.

[redrum52]

I'm not sure if Mattison was softer but his defense stat wise was more productive . He also had cornerbacks like Chris Carr, Donte Foxworth and etc that fit the zone scheme alot better than the corners we have now.

He had Ray, Ed, Suggs and Ngata all playing at a high level. 3rd and 18 against Pit in the playoffs. Foxworth only produced for half of the 09 season.

[PurpleCity5]

"I knew i had a safety on me and he gave me a big cushion" AJ Green commenting on the 1 play 8o yard drive to regain the lead.

Gosh. Pees play exploited heavily.

[PurpleCity5]

I like promoting from with, but they always get poached. I have a feeling Monachino would get us right, but he would be here a couple years and gone. I like consistently, but boy consistently failing... that sucks. How long does anyone thing Monachino or Martindale would stay ? I really like Clarence Brooks and if we lost him in not sure it would be worth promoting him for two years. The problem I have is I know they all deserve it, I could not on good conscience purposefully keep them down. Even at that there is no guarantee they won't get poached anyway ala Austin.

No great team really has consistency. Thats the part about being great, you lose valuable coaches.

[Tru11]

watching lewis, he appeared to be thinking..."they got him, no need to run in case they don't".

 

i dont know What the heck? he was thinking but that should get him benched asap cause its the opposite from what it should be like to play like a raven....

 

he could have seriously tackled AJ well before he reach the endzone if he simply kept hustling and not give up or banking on others to make the tackle.

 

you can blame pees for calling that play but the excecution and effort is all on the players and imo it was far worse then the play call itself.

 

a guy like pollard could not cover at all but he kept flying to the ball even when beat and i never saw him give up on a play.

heck he would have decked AJ in the endzone and take on a 15 yard penalty lol

[jazz1988]

i dont know What the heck? he was thinking but that should get him benched asap cause its the opposite from what it should be like to play like a raven....

 

he could have seriously tackled AJ well before he reach the endzone if he simply kept hustling and not give up or banking on others to make the tackle.

 

you can blame pees for calling that play but the excecution and effort is all on the players and imo it was far worse then the play call itself.

 

a guy like pollard could not cover at all but he kept flying to the ball even when beat and i never saw him give up on a play.

heck he would have decked AJ in the endzone and take on a 15 yard penalty lol

 

 

True but Pollard was never really used in that fashion in which Lewis was. The Ravens basically kept it pretty simply with Pollard and didn't really ask him to be in coverage awhole  lot. I could be wrong but I just don't remember Pees using Pollard like he uses Lewis and Hill.  

[Tru11]

True but Pollard was never really used in that fashion in which Lewis was. The Ravens basically kept it pretty simply with Pollard and didn't really ask him to be in coverage awhole  lot. I could be wrong but I just don't remember Pees using Pollard like he uses Lewis and Hill.  

 

pollard actually coverd TE and backs quite alot but probably because if he screwed up Ed was right there the clean up.

 

lewis and hill are pretty much the same type with hill being much better though.

 

like i said back in 2013.

we need a true FS.

someone who can play single high and has the range to cover side line to side line.

 

this interchangeable safety thing we keep trying aint going to cut it cause neither has the range to actually provide help to the corners.

 

just go watch and see everytime our cbs got beat deep there isent a safety to be found ....

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Atleast with Pees you know he doesn't want to be a head coach. Do we really want a revolving door like we had for our OCs?

[GrimCoconut]

Atleast with Pees you know he doesn't want to be a head coach. Do we really want a revolving door like we had for our OCs?

I'd like a defense that can get a stop on third down somewhat consistently and reliably. I'd also like a defense that can hold onto a fourth quarter lead.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

I'd like a defense that can get a stop on third down somewhat consistently and reliably. I'd also like a defense that can hold onto a fourth quarter lead.

Our secondary can't cover well. That's not Pees' fault.

[bMore Heathen]

Atleast with Pees you know he doesn't want to be a head coach. Do we really want a revolving door like we had for our OCs?

That is a terrible reason to keep a coach. If he's been consistantly bad, what good is continuity? To always be bad? There no advantage there. The price of being a good team is other teams try to poach your coaches and players.

[GrimCoconut]

Our secondary can't cover well. That's not Pees' fault.

It's not, but perhaps he's asking too much from our bad personnel?

How about I make this simple: someone's at fault. Sure, the players aren't playing that great but someone is to blame. Is it Ozzie for giving Dean bad players that can't execute or Dean for not using his personnel to their max? Ozzie has a better track record in my opinion than Dean.

It's either the guy using the talent or the guy supplying the talent. You can't say it's not one or the other. I don't think many dispute the talent itself. I think Jimmy Smith is a great player and think very highly of many of the players Ozzie brought here.

Edited September 28, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[ratedr]

I remember last year after the bye Kubiak said he'd simplify things, and it helped a lot.

 

If Pees's defense is that complicated, with the defense clearly struggling he should simplify things. But it doesn't appear that he thinks anything is at all wrong with his scheme.