The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[redrum52]

Defense gave up the 2 4th quarter leads. Again. Heck, one only took 46 seconds.

Offense was garbage the first half. Defense gave us the first lead then promptly handed it back to the Bengals. Offense then did their job and took the lead again. Defense then gave it back to the Bengals. Defense almost gave up game yardage to one Bengal receiver.

I mean sure, you can blame the offense all you like but it is insanity to do so. Guess that makes it KO's fault though - since he derailed the drive with his stupid penalty.

I'm just going by the late game situation people judge the defense by. That's it. This game has me sick though.

[Edgar]

Agreed. AJ Green had 227 yards. Most QBs won't hit that this week.

Disturbing. I'd say pees has to answer for that as much as Jimmy or any other player. Make someone else beat you. Easier said than done .....but 227 yards?

Wasn't someone other than Jimmy smith on him in last years opener(final drive)- Chykie Brown as I recall.

[GrimCoconut]

" maybe one of these we'll learn how to cover AJ Green, maybe we'll get that done before he retires"(Harbaugh)

Maybe Harbaugh has just about had it. The comments read as rather innocuous but didn't come off that way listening to him.

Absolutely. I think Harbaugh is sick of us blowing leads. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Pees is gone very soon unless he rights the ship fast. The team certainly knows the perception people have on Pees. I can't imagine he is with the team next year, although I am wondering whether he makes it out this year.

[ravensdfan]

I'm just going by the late game situation people judge the defense by. That's it. This game has me sick though.

At half-time I had it at a wash and if the offense had continued to play like they did the 1st half you'd have a legitimate argument. But the offense, to put up the respectable numbers they did, actually played a good 2nd half. 

 

Personally, I just don't understand the AJ Green situation at all. Last year it was Chykie and this year it is Arrington. WTH is Pees thinking?

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Anyone forget we lost our secondary coach ...... since then our secondary has become very undisciplined ...

[redrum52]

At half-time I had it at a wash and if the offense had continued to play like they did the 1st half you'd have a legitimate argument. But the offense, to put up the respectable numbers they did, actually played a good 2nd half.

Personally, I just don't understand the AJ Green situation at all. Last year it was Chykie and this year it is Arrington. WTH is Pees thinking?

Arrington shouldn't be near him and no way in hell a safety should be covering. The alignments make no sense and even people in the system for years still seem to have communication issues. Play off get beat and press same results. I expect to see charges pressed this week for the beating he put on Jimmy.

[beanfigger]

How bad are our safeties? They are nowhere near anyone when they are supposed to cover over the top. They miss tackles when we can least afford it. And as for covering...we act like Huff was the worst free agent we ever signed and Elam was a bust, but what do we have to upgrade from them? Is it completely the system, or do we just continue to draft and sign awful players? Can we at least put Brooks out there and see what he has? Can't play worse than Lewis and Hill have been.

And sticking with that, do we draft corners who know how to manipulate their PFF scores and get overrated enough to get paid before showing their true colors, or what?

Edited September 28, 2015 by beanfigger

[PurpleCity5]

This secondary looks worse this year than last year, as hard to believe as it is, I think thats the case. 

[PurpleCity5]

How bad are our safeties? They are nowhere near anyone when they are supposed to cover over the top. They miss tackles when we can least afford it. And as for covering...we act like Huff was the worst free agent we ever signed and Elam was a bust, but what do we have to upgrade from them? Is it completely the system, or do we just continue to draft and sign awful players? Can we at least put Brooks out there and see what he has? Can't play worse than Lewis and Hill have been.

And sticking with that, do we draft corners who know how to manipulate their PFF scores and get overrated enough to get paid before showing their true colors, or what?

To be fair, it was a bad day overall for Hill. The last two games he has been great. This week it was bad. 

[beanfigger]

At half-time I had it at a wash and if the offense had continued to play like they did the 1st half you'd have a legitimate argument. But the offense, to put up the respectable numbers they did, actually played a good 2nd half.

Personally, I just don't understand the AJ Green situation at all. Last year it was Chykie and this year it is Arrington. WTH is Pees thinking?

Because Jimmy was doing such a good job on him, right?

[Static]

Our entire Secondary is bad 

[allblackraven]

Absolutely. I think Harbaugh is sick of us blowing leads. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Pees is gone very soon unless he rights the ship fast. The team certainly knows the perception people have on Pees. I can't imagine he is with the team next year, although I am wondering whether he makes it out this year.

I have a feeling he is gone after Pitt, no matter what happens in that game. Remember what was the first thing Harbs said at presser after Raiders? "We were outplayed and outcoached". With emphasis on the latter.

[beanfigger]

To be fair, it was a bad day overall for Hill. The last two games he has been great. This week it was bad.

I don't know about great, but you're right that it wasn't this bad. At least Melvin had the decency to play so bad that he got benched early. The rest of the secondary we had to watch get burned all game.

Edited September 28, 2015 by beanfigger

[ravensdfan]

Because Jimmy was doing such a good job on him, right?

At least he would have had a chance!

 

He put Arrington there with no help over the top either.

[beanfigger]

At least he would have had a chance!

He put Arrington there with no help over the top either.

We had to try something. Jimmy was being treated by the burn ward in between every series.

[jazz1988]

Arrington shouldn't be near him and no way in hell a safety should be covering. The alignments make no sense and even people in the system for years still seem to have communication issues. Play off get beat and press same results. I expect to see charges pressed this week for the beating he put on Jimmy.

 

Some body said The Bengels had four wrs on the field during that play and Melvin didn't have a good game and was eventually benched. Since Melvin was benched it  force him to use Kendrick Lewis as a nickel corner or cornerback which wasn't a good move but honestly Melvin may have got burnt just like Lewis if he had been in there instead.

Edited September 28, 2015 by jazz1988

[CalvinSmoke]

Name a team that has made a coordinator change midseason when they had a losing record. Coordinator, not head coach

I'm not saying to cut him now. But if we did I'd understand m

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not saying to cut him now. But if we did I'd understand m

I'm just saying it won't happen in the season. After the season, there's a legit chance.

[Static]

You know I'm still waiting for Pea's prevent defense TO ACTUALLY PREVENT SOMETHING.

[ratedr]

You know I'm still waiting for Pea's prevent defense TO ACTUALLY PREVENT SOMETHING.

It's prevented us from winning.

[52520Andrew]

I wouldn't be surprised or sad at all to see him go, but he'll at least last through Thursday with the short week.  If we lose to Mike Vick and the Steelers on another poor defensive effort, I'd fully endorse a change.

 

If we lose to them due to poor defense, I want him gone the next day.

 

Never been the biggest fan of him but I wanted to give him a fair shake considering the secondary last year and the poor offense in 2013. I don't see any excuses for this though, the talent is there this year

[ravensdfan]

I'm not saying to cut him now. But if we did I'd understand m

Cam was fired on Dec. 12. We had a game on Dec. 16. Don't really see the difference.

[BmoreBird22]

Cam was fired on Dec. 12. We had a game on Dec. 16. Don't really see the difference.

the Ravens were 9-4 and primed for the playoffs. That's a pretty big difference.

I want him gone now after seeing highly questionable tactics the last two games for no reason, but it won't happen before the year is over

[BmoreBird22]

Honestly, I think the loss of Suggs was far more lethal than we were anticipating. Other than being a premiere run defender that took pressure off of Doom, he apparently jolted so much life into that defensive line and pass rush. Both have played so uninspired in these two games without Suggs. They need to reignite their passion

[usmccharles]

i blame pees and the players, not one or the other.  Pees may not call best schemes, he also doesnt not tackle or turn his head and try to locate the ball....theres no direction in the secondary, no one communicates and i dont think a new DC will fix that

[Tru11]

i blame pees and the players, not one or the other.  Pees may not call best schemes, he also doesnt not tackle or turn his head and try to locate the ball....theres no direction in the secondary, no one communicates and i dont think a new DC will fix that

 

nailed it.

[GrimCoconut]

i blame pees and the players, not one or the other. Pees may not call best schemes, he also doesnt not tackle or turn his head and try to locate the ball....theres no direction in the secondary, no one communicates and i dont think a new DC will fix that

There's no doubt it's both, but perhaps getting rid of Pees gets the guys to actually play for their DC and execute his calls. It's clear that the defense isn't buying in to his calls to me. The defense may be too complicated, I don't know. It would explain why a high football IQ guy like Mosley can run it and look like an All Pro but others can't.

I do think we would see a change with the right DC.

[MrPlankton]

An interesting point was made on the RSR forums: How often do you see players here, current or former, praise Pees as a coordinator? Good things are routinely said about guys like Rex Ryan, Wade Phillips, etc., but I don't believe I've heard a peep about Pees.

[PurpleDoc]

Pats let Pees go....gee I wonder why.  Pats always had high scoring games on both sides due to defense giving up scores, but they were able to win due to their powerful offense.

 

Not so with us.

 

Defense has gone downhill in past few years.  Why is it when the Ravens are ahead in 4th quarter, we put 3 guys on front line, drop 8 back to cover passes - "prevent defense" -  and game after game, the other team passes their way down the field; wide open receivers, unable to blitz and we give up a score.   Why do we have holes in our front line and allow running backs to run right through us.  Why can't we tackle their ball runners/receivers.  Sloppy play, poor coaching.  Pees needs to go.  

[ratedr]

An interesting point was made on the RSR forums: How often do you see players here, current or former, praise Pees as a coordinator? Good things are routinely said about guys like Rex Ryan, Wade Phillips, etc., but I don't believe I've heard a peep about Pees.

The only guy who I hear praise Pees is Rodney Harrison on FNIA.