The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[The Raven]

I don't think Pees is all that terrible but it's time for a change. Time to make him a martyr. 

[rmw10]

I don't think Pees is all that terrible but it's time for a change. Time to make him a martyr. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised or sad at all to see him go, but he'll at least last through Thursday with the short week.  If we lose to Mike Vick and the Steelers on another poor defensive effort, I'd fully endorse a change.

[uhhhh]

Have to have our best corner on him down the stretch. Even though AJ Green ate him up.

 

Yup, because Kendrick Lewis was covering AJ Green when he made that 80 yard TD. Jimmy was matched up with Marvin Jones.

Edited September 27, 2015 by uhhhh

[allblackraven]

I've never been a Pees fan.  I've shown "support" here for him, which has really been nothing more than pointing out that all the blame can't be pinned on him if the players don't play well.  I'm still not a fan and wouldn't be upset to see him go at all, but the idea of him teaching tackling fundamentals is not on him.  That's on the scouting department to pick guys that don't have deficiencies there, and then on the position coaches for those that are struggling with those fundamentals.  I can't place blame on poor tackling on Pees.  Pees' main job is game planning and play calling.

Pees needs to either scheme these guys to their strengths or whoever brings in our CB needs to be fired today. It's strange how suddenly we have serious issues with tackling when we never did before.

These guys did not forget to tackle. They just never are in a position to make a tackle, always a step or two late. Secondary in general looks way worse than these players are because of weird positioning. Pees puts Lewis in the slot vs Green and hangs him, Hill and Smith all at the same time.

[ravensdfan]

I wouldn't be surprised or sad at all to see him go, but he'll at least last through Thursday with the short week.  If we lose to Mike Vick and the Steelers on another poor defensive effort, I'd fully endorse a change.

Short week or not it is something that needs to happen now. Way too much talent on defense for them to be playing like this. These guys are not in proper positions to make those tackles, and that is on Pees. Eh my sig says enough about Pees and what his brand of defense has contributed to this team.

[allblackraven]

I bet Matt Elam would look a different player if hew got drafted by someone else, too.

[Gordo52]

I wouldn't be surprised or sad at all to see him go, but he'll at least last through Thursday with the short week. If we lose to Mike Vick and the Steelers on another poor defensive effort, I'd fully endorse a change.

I agree with this... might finally be the right time for change. Something has to. Even though it's a pretty drastic change, history would make me feel confident in it... Who are the top in house candidates? Brooks gonna get a shot?

[rmw10]

Short week or not it is something that needs to happen now. Way too much talent on defense for them to be playing like this. These guys are not in proper positions to make those tackles, and that is on Pees. Eh my sig says enough about Pees and what his brand of defense has contributed to this team.

 

I get the disdain and I don't entirely disagree, but there's no way we're putting a new coordinator and the players to a test like that on a short week.  I'm not even confident it happens, but if it does, after Thursday makes sense (if not the bye week) with that extra time to come in and make changes.

[Dr. Kelley]

Players should honestly come to the NFL ready to tackle. With that said, our tackling isn't horrible but it's very inconsistent. I don't see them buying into his schemes. Sometimes they do, but when they play with complete apathy I don't see how they trust in his calls.

I think he just doesn't have their support and I'd rather get a DC who has his guys' support over one who doesn't. In fact, I don't think a player has ever talked him up or defended him.

They aren't gonna support him if he's going to throw them under the bus

[ravensdfan]

I get the disdain and I don't entirely disagree, but there's no way we're putting a new coordinator and the players to a test like that on a short week.  I'm not even confident it happens, but if it does, after Thursday makes sense (if not the bye week) with that extra time to come in and make changes.

I know we 99.9% probably aren't going to do that and I do understand the reasoning behind that choice. I just think waiting is asking for our season to be truly over while now it is bleak but could be salvaged. 12-4 even 11-5 usually earns you at least a wildcard spot.

 

No reason Brooks or someone in-house could not step in without creating chaos.

[rmw10]

I know we 99.9% probably aren't going to do that and I do understand the reasoning behind that choice. I just think waiting is asking for our season to be truly over while now it is bleak but could be salvaged. 12-4 even 11-5 usually earns you at least a wildcard spot.

 

No reason Brooks or someone in-house could not step in without creating chaos.

 

This Thursday should be pretty telling.  Vick has not been good for a couple of years now, and has been turnover prone.  If we can't hold against him, I think it's time to start thinking about a change.  It'll also be interesting to see what the game plan is against that group of WRs.  Even DHB and his speed is looking somewhat competent there during Martavis Bryant's suspension.

[BmoreBird22]

He probably will not get fired midseason. There's no reason to. 

I know people will point to the Cam Cameron situation, but the Ravens were 9-4 at that point (previously 9-2, but two bad offense showing ruined that). The Ravens had playoff aspirations and a change was needed to keep those hopes alive. 

Right now, the Ravens would be one of four teams to make the playoffs after starting 0-3 since 1995. That does not inspire hope in the chances of Pees getting fired.

[BSHU_Miami]

He probably will not get fired midseason. There's no reason to.

I know people will point to the Cam Cameron situation, but the Ravens were 9-4 at that point (previously 9-2, but two bad offense showing ruined that). The Ravens had playoff aspirations and a change was needed to keep those hopes alive.

Right now, the Ravens would be one of four teams to make the playoffs after starting 0-3 since 1995. That does not inspire hope in the chances of Pees getting fired.

when you see players stop playing for him you'll see why he needs to be gone

[CalvinSmoke]

I'm done with it honestly. It honestly may not all be Pees, he's a very smart coach. But it just doesn't work here his scheme that is. Just like Cam Cameron, he's doing great at LSU and did great with the Chargers but it doesn't work here. It's that simple.

[CalvinSmoke]

He probably will not get fired midseason. There's no reason to.

I know people will point to the Cam Cameron situation, but the Ravens were 9-4 at that point (previously 9-2, but two bad offense showing ruined that). The Ravens had playoff aspirations and a change was needed to keep those hopes alive.

Right now, the Ravens would be one of four teams to make the playoffs after starting 0-3 since 1995. That does not inspire hope in the chances of Pees getting fired.

we are 0-3 and lost two straight on him. He also really hurt us in 2013, it's about that time. Not because he's bad but because our defense needs a spark.

[The Mom Gene]

I'm done with it honestly. It honestly may not all be Pees, he's a very smart coach. But it just doesn't work here his scheme that is. Just like Cam Cameron, he's doing great at LSU and did great with the Chargers but it doesn't work here. It's that simple.

My argument was that he was good in NE, when their defense wasn't that good.

[GrimCoconut]

My argument was that he was good in NE, when their defense wasn't that good.

Maybe that was more Bill than Dean.

[BmoreBird22]

when you see players stop playing for him you'll see why he needs to be gone

  

we are 0-3 and lost two straight on him. He also really hurt us in 2013, it's about that time. Not because he's bad but because our defense needs a spark.

Name a team that has made a coordinator change midseason when they had a losing record. Coordinator, not head coach

[BSHU_Miami]

  

Name a team that has made a coordinator change midseason when they had a losing record. Coordinator, not head coach

I really don't care about those teams though. We need a new voice. Why play it out when he's inevitably gone next year.  How does playing out this trash scheme help us in any way shape or form.

[jazz1988]

I really don't care about those teams though. We need a new voice. Why play it out when he's inevitably gone next year.  How does playing out this trash scheme help us in any way shape or form.

 

If The Ravens had plans to get rid of Dean Pees it wouldn't be a good thing to do it this week with such later time to game plan against The Steelers.  It's also unclear if Pees actually is let go this season or next year.

[BSHU_Miami]

If The Ravens had plans to get rid of Dean Pees it wouldn't be a good thing to do it this week with such later time to game plan against The Steelers.  It's also unclear if Pees actually is let go this season or next year.

If its uncertain that this is his last year with us, we have a bigger issue on our hands.

[GrimCoconut]

I actually still think this team can make the playoffs. It's not like anyone blew this team away. We could've won every game and we were in it to win but the defense failed to win on their end. I certainly still believe in this team. I just don't think the current leadership (Pees) gets us there. He may though.

[redrum52]

I actually still think this team can make the playoffs. It's not like anyone blew this team away. We could've won every game and we were in it to win but the defense failed to win on their end. I certainly still believe in this team. I just don't think the current leadership (Pees) gets us there. He may though.

Didn't the offense lose this game? They had the ball last and plenty of time to score...

[rmw10]

I actually still think this team can make the playoffs. It's not like anyone blew this team away. We could've won every game and we were in it to win but the defense failed to win on their end. I certainly still believe in this team. I just don't think the current leadership (Pees) gets us there. He may though.

 

We're definitely not out of it.  If there's one positive to take away from this stretch, it's that it's part of the mini gauntlet of our season.  We have a hard first half of the season.  There are still some tough games to come, but the Denver, Oakland, Cinci, and Pitt part was the most dreaded for me prior to the season beginning.  Of course the loss to a team we should have beat in Oakland stings, but this is not an easy stretch by any means.

[Sami84]

I actually still think this team can make the playoffs. It's not like anyone blew this team away. We could've won every game and we were in it to win but the defense failed to win on their end. I certainly still believe in this team. I just don't think the current leadership (Pees) gets us there. He may though.

 

no

[GrimCoconut]

Didn't the offense lose this game? They had the ball last and plenty of time to score...

They had the ball last for a moment, but they didn't make it, you're right. Still, the defense did absolutely no favors. No, this loss I place at the feet of the defense. The other issue that seems to plague us is how the OL can't run block & the WRs do nothing except Steve Smith Sr. That's a real problem. 

 

We're definitely not out of it.  If there's one positive to take away from this stretch, it's that it's part of the mini gauntlet of our season.  We have a hard first half of the season.  There are still some tough games to come, but the Denver, Oakland, Cinci, and Pitt part was the most dreaded for me prior to the season beginning.  Of course the loss to a team we should have beat in Oakland stings, but this is not an easy stretch by any means.

Yeah, I agree. This was our toughest part of the schedule. I honestly felt like we could do it. Oak is a better team than many gave credit. They beat the Browns today. I know that may not be much to most, but that's a good defense. 

 

no

That's all you have to say? Thanks for the insight. Real wisdom right there.

[Edgar]

" maybe one of these we'll learn how to cover AJ Green, maybe we'll get that done before he retires"(Harbaugh)

Maybe Harbaugh has just about had it. The comments read as rather innocuous but didn't come off that way listening to him.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I actually still think this team can make the playoffs. It's not like anyone blew this team away. We could've won every game and we were in it to win but the defense failed to win on their end. I certainly still believe in this team. I just don't think the current leadership (Pees) gets us there. He may though.

I actually agree with you. I think with Suggs we win all three tbh. But who knows. 

Maybe and hopefully Babin gives us a spark

[ravensdfan]

Didn't the offense lose this game? They had the ball last and plenty of time to score...

Defense gave up the 2 4th quarter leads. Again. Heck, one only took 46 seconds. 

 

Offense was garbage the first half. Defense gave us the first lead then promptly handed it back to the Bengals. Offense then did their job and took the lead again. Defense then gave it back to the Bengals. Defense almost gave up game yardage to one Bengal receiver. 

 

I mean sure, you can blame the offense all you like but it is insanity to do so. Guess that makes it KO's fault though - since he derailed the drive with his stupid penalty.

Edited September 28, 2015 by ravensdfan

[ratedr]

Defense gave up the 2 4th quarter leads. Again. Heck, one only took 46 seconds. 

 

Offense was garbage the first half. Defense gave us the first lead then promptly handed it back to the Bengals. Offense then did their job and took the lead again. Defense then gave it back to the Bengals. Defense almost gave up game yardage to one Bengal receiver. 

 

I mean sure, you can blame the offense all you like but it is insanity to do so. Guess that makes it KO's fault though - since he derailed the drive with his stupid penalty.

Agreed. AJ Green had 227 yards. Most QBs won't hit that this week.