The Dean Pees Thread (merged)

[billick]

Without the blitzes, we stop PM on the last drive, no doubt.

 

Isn't Pees the guy who gave up two fourteen point leads to Nengland ?

 

How bout that no man line, that let Brady waltz in for a score ?

 

Let's see, no Suggs, or Ngata. Yeah, this years D wil be great.

[redrum52]

I don't get the point of this?

He was missing his number 1 db, playing with practice squad corners and Matt freaking Elam. This team so far has shown better pursuit, tackling and coverage, even though they did let Sanders get past them a few times.

And are you complaining about the blitzes? I'm confused...

[Cillmatic]

Oh my god man don't start this again. It was the players, not the coach.

[Clmraven]

He may not be the best DC but is amazing at dialing up blitzes, and held a Peyton manning to 0 TDs (AT HOME)all without Jernigan thats really good. The New England game was our decimated secondary's fault alone not much pees could have done.

[Challenge Accepted]

Can the mods close this thread?

[Moderator 3]

Can the mods close this thread?

Considered it, but it's been a year since our last Pees thread was active. Might as well have a new "discussion". Be civil.

[redrum52]

Considered it, but it's been a year since our last Pees thread was active. Might as well have a new "discussion". Be civil.

It's really been that long?

[Moderator 3]

It's really been that long?

There was a more recent one on his NFL.com ranking, but nothing else I could find. This doesn't fit with merging into that one.

[codizzle]

Saturday morning hot fire right there

Pees is fine... And we will be just fine with williams and Jernigan bringing pressure up the middle

Doom on the side and hopefully upshW can at the very least contain the pocket so the pressure can come up the middle

We'll be fine

[RavensFan34950]

I don't understand the point of this post. What game were you watching last week? Last I checked the defense scored more Touchdowns than they allowed. I predict we won't allow a Touchdown tomorrow either.

[Tank 92]

No kidding. Even though he had a good game last week, last year he couldn't cover, couldn't tackle and was always injured. Why do we keep him around?

[GrimCoconut]

I don't mind him at all. He's done a good job. With that said, I've lately wondered if we would fire Pees if, say, Pagano was fired. That would certainly be an interesting discussion since the Ravens seem content with Pees.

[52520Andrew]

Without the blitzes, we stop PM on the last drive, no doubt.

 

Wait, are we now criticizing Pees for blitzing?

[rmw10]

This thread is confusing.  Hate for Pees after one of our best defensive games?  The guy was creative and found ways to dial up pressure outside of the standard pass rush.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

This thread is confusing. Hate for Pees after one of our best defensive games? The guy was creative and found ways to dial up pressure outside of the standard pass rush.

Not to mention a good game plan. This thread needs to make more sense

[GrimCoconut]

This thread is confusing. Hate for Pees after one of our best defensive games? The guy was creative and found ways to dial up pressure outside of the standard pass rush.

Yeah. He called a great game plan overshadowed by the decline of Peyton Manning. I think fans would be talking us up more if it wasn't for his decline and their offense supposedly clicking.

[redrum52]

Wait, are we now criticizing Pees for blitzing?

I didn't get that either. Whatever this guy's doing, it's successful, cause he's got us talking.

[January J]

Some people are just never satisfied. If it's not one thing it's another .

[757RavensFan]

I don't mind him at all. He's done a good job. With that said, I've lately wondered if we would fire Pees if, say, Pagano was fired. That would certainly be an interesting discussion since the Ravens seem content with Pees.

They're talking about firing Pagano already?

[cobrajet]

I thought he made very good adjustments at halftime on Sunday and the Broncos' offense really stalled. The three man rushes on Peyton were not working and Sanders was getting open in the first half and Pees dialed up the pressure in the second half, and you can tell that Peyton was feeling the pressure, and that was without Suggs. Pees is OK, honestly it is Trestman I am a little worried about, but that is not the topic of this thread.

[balfan23]

They're talking about firing Pagano already?

Actually, some of that chatter started before the season even started. It wasn't even related to the Bills loss. I think some have the idea that, because Indy has Luck, that they should automatically win about 5 Super Bowls in the next 10 years. Primary among them could be the spawn of Satan, as he has not been willing to either confirm or refute whether or not Pagano's on the hot seat this season. Seems that there is some friction between Pagano and the GM, both of whom are in their final year of their contracts. 

 

For those wondering if we'd dump Pees to bring Pagano back into the fold should he be dismissed ... don't count on that. Pagano would be an HC elsewhere about 10 seconds following his release. Besides, we're not exactly unhappy (as an organization) with Pees and we don't take handing out pink slips lightly.

 

Personally, I'd love for Pagano to be let go, with him moving to the NFC. I'm a fan of his and it will be a lot easier to wish him well if he were playing outside of our conference. 

[salamander]

By the way, real bad timing on this thread. After 1st week, Ravens are ranked as the #1 defense. Can't find much to complain about with that.

[BmoreBird22]

Actually, some of that chatter started before the season even started. It wasn't even related to the Bills loss. I think some have the idea that, because Indy has Luck, that they should automatically win about 5 Super Bowls in the next 10 years. Primary among them could be the spawn of Satan, as he has not been willing to either confirm or refute whether or not Pagano's on the hot seat this season. Seems that there is some friction between Pagano and the GM, both of whom are in their final year of their contracts. 

 

For those wondering if we'd dump Pees to bring Pagano back into the fold should he be dismissed ... don't count on that. Pagano would be an HC elsewhere about 10 seconds following his release. Personally, I'd love for that to happen, with him moving to the NFC. I'm a fan of his and it will be a lot easier to wish him well if he were playing outside of our conference. 

My biggest qualm with Pagano, and likely the complaint of Indy and those that surround Indy, is that Indy has had such a porous defense. I know that he can't bring in players on his own, but the head coach has a large amount of influence on who to bring in based on his vision of the team. The fact of the matter is that his defensive draft picks have not worked out and his free agent signings have been underwhelming. 

He's a defensive minded head coach that is failing there and it could be argued that the biggest reason for his offensive success is Luck

[Tenacious Faulker]

These Anti-Pees threads are hilarious.  The defense has more TDs than the offense and the OP thinks that Pees isn't impressive?  Let's see:

 

1) CJ Anderson shut down

2) Pick 6 on Peyton

3) Peyton limited to only 175 yards.

4) Manning sacked 4 times.

5) Demaryius Thomas held to 60 yards and no score.

 

The biggest issue on defense was guarding in the gaps of the zones.  Sanders was an absolute killer and we had no answer for him. Maybe if Melvin was health for the game then things would be different. 

 

I'm more concerned over the offense.  A better thread topic would be "Not impressed with Trestman".  Even that, the Bronco's are looking like the most dangerous defense in the league so far.

[balfan23]

My biggest qualm with Pagano, and likely the complaint of Indy and those that surround Indy, is that Indy has had such a porous defense. I know that he can't bring in players on his own, but the head coach has a large amount of influence on who to bring in based on his vision of the team. The fact of the matter is that his defensive draft picks have not worked out and his free agent signings have been underwhelming. 

He's a defensive minded head coach that is failing there and it could be argued that the biggest reason for his offensive success is Luck

That's what you would think ... but then why the supposed friction between Pagano and the GM? There was some chatter that the friction was around Pagano giving playing time to Wayne last year rather than giving Moncrief more time. Still, it is hard to say who owns the poor draft picks (I know Harbaugh isn't blamed or lauded here, based on how draft picks work out). 

 

I can't say I can list out all their FAs and which have worked or have not. I know they brought in Jones and he played well for them last year, but is on IR this year. I do know they brought in a boat load this offseason ... which is likely a major factor in why this is being viewed as make or break. Owner spends money and wants results. 

 

I still think he's a quality leader and, if placed in the right situation, will succeed. I do think he'll be an HC elsewhere if he's let go. 

[JoeyFlex5]

yeah man, pees gave up the game to NE, not rashaan melvin or darian stewart or matt elam, all those missed tackles were pees's fault for sure. 

 

people beg for pees to send the house on every freaking snap, and then turn around and say something like this.. pees called that game BRILLIANTLY, like he usually does, he calls a good smart mix of blitz and coverage, keeps guys fresh, keeps us unpredictable, and keeps the looks new. we sacked peyton manning 4 times(the most in his whole career) and held the broncos offense out of the endzone for 4 whole quarters, and if im not mistaken they didnt even reach the redzone, i may be wrong there though.. 

 

point being.. stop. youre wrong.

[JoeyFlex5]

My biggest qualm with Pagano, and likely the complaint of Indy and those that surround Indy, is that Indy has had such a porous defense. I know that he can't bring in players on his own, but the head coach has a large amount of influence on who to bring in based on his vision of the team. The fact of the matter is that his defensive draft picks have not worked out and his free agent signings have been underwhelming. 

He's a defensive minded head coach that is failing there and it could be argued that the biggest reason for his offensive success is Luck

id put that on the front office before pagano, he is a hell of a defensive mind with a garbage defensive roster and getting no help in that regard.

[BmoreBird22]

That's what you would think ... but then why the supposed friction between Pagano and the GM? There was some chatter that the friction was around Pagano giving playing time to Wayne last year rather than giving Moncrief more time. Still, it is hard to say who owns the poor draft picks (I know Harbaugh isn't blamed or lauded here, based on how draft picks work out). 

 

I can't say I can list out all their FAs and which have worked or have not. I know they brought in Jones and he played well for them last year, but is on IR this year. I do know they brought in a boat load this offseason ... which is likely a major factor in why this is being viewed as make or break. Owner spends money and wants results. 

 

I still think he's a quality leader and, if placed in the right situation, will succeed. I do think he'll be an HC elsewhere if he's let go. 

I think with Harbaugh, he just knows that he was a special teams coach and Ozzie is an absolutely a wizard when it comes to drafting guys. I think he has a say in who gets drafted, but the overwhelming say will go to Ozzie. With Pagano, being a defensive minded coach, you'd expect him to get more input on who is drafted. For example, I would say without a doubt that Pagano had very large amounts of input on Werner being drafted.

 

Jones was far from what he was with the Ravens. Honestly, he's pretty much a space eating defensive end and the fact that the Colts play him on the weak side is extremely confusing. He's put on a lot of weight since college and he just doesn't move well. I think he'd be more valuable on the strong side because he's got a strong anchor and doesn't move well, but that's not what you gave him a massive contract for. 

 

I mean, sure, if the team he goes to is already established and not building from the bottom up, similar to how the Colts were, then he could be better, but he's not an elite coach.

[Maryland]

Pees' blitzes were actually very effective and well-disguised last week. I still hate his philosophy when it comes to allowing easy underneath routes, but I can't complain about week 1. 

[GrimCoconut]

Actually, some of that chatter started before the season even started. It wasn't even related to the Bills loss. I think some have the idea that, because Indy has Luck, that they should automatically win about 5 Super Bowls in the next 10 years. Primary among them could be the spawn of Satan, as he has not been willing to either confirm or refute whether or not Pagano's on the hot seat this season. Seems that there is some friction between Pagano and the GM, both of whom are in their final year of their contracts.

For those wondering if we'd dump Pees to bring Pagano back into the fold should he be dismissed ... don't count on that. Pagano would be an HC elsewhere about 10 seconds following his release. Besides, we're not exactly unhappy (as an organization) with Pees and we don't take handing out pink slips lightly.

Personally, I'd love for Pagano to be let go, with him moving to the NFC. I'm a fan of his and it will be a lot easier to wish him well if he were playing outside of our conference.

I don't think you can fire Pees for Pagano if Pees is doing well with the defense. I think he's done a great job with little at his disposal at times. He's far more handcuffed than Chuck was. The players liked Chuck, though, and I think the team does as well.

I just don't think he'll come back here. I am waiting for the threads when he gets fired. I'm pretty sure he's on the hotseat