Top 5 Draft Pick?

[Jamal]

His contract and inconsistent play wouldn't be appealing to most teams, We're stuck with Flacco, there's no Great QB coming out this year and we probably won't be in the position to draft one in the next couple years.

I don't get the contract complaints. The salary is the norm for franchise QB's today. If you have one, you have to pony up.

I'm perfectly fine with being "stuck" with Flacco. You can certainly do a lot worse.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, I'm more than happy with Joe. We don't need a QB at all. I'm just not sure I'd pass on a guy if I feel like he could very likely be the next Rodgers. That's my only dilemma, otherwise I wouldn't even consider it.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't get the contract complaints. The salary is the norm for franchise QB's today. If you have one, you have to pony up.

I'm perfectly fine with being "stuck" with Flacco. You can certainly do a lot worse.

Just ask Cleveland how their QB situation is. 

[Inqui]

Yeah, I'm more than happy with Joe. We don't need a QB at all. I'm just not sure I'd pass on a guy if I feel like he could very likely be the next Rodgers. That's my only dilemma, otherwise I wouldn't even consider it.

Personally I'd prefer to see if we could buy a farm for him (I mean the opposite of selling the farm, even though it sounds like I want us to shoot him or send him out to stud or something). I could definitely see the case for taking him so I could (albeit reluctantly) come to terms with it, but I wouldn't exactly be racing out to buy his jersey.

[BSHU_Miami]

I bet the'yll take Joe in San Fran right now.....Kaep looks horrible with the supporting cast that Joe won a title witth.

[Inqui]

I bet the'yll take Joe in San Fran right now.....Kaep looks horrible with the supporting cast that Joe won a title witth.

Houston, Norleans, Cleveland, Chicago, NYJ, St Louis or even KC would love to have him too, and a lot of them could make the cap hits work. And he's better and more proven than the options at a lot of other teams, who might also be interested.

 

I'd still prefer we kept him, but I can guarantee we'd get more than a day two pick for him if we put him on the block.

[Jamal]

Houston, Norleans, Cleveland, Chicago, NYJ, St Louis or even KC would love to have him too, and a lot of them could make the cap hits work. And he's better and more proven than the options at a lot of other teams, who might also be interested.

I'd still prefer we kept him, but I can guarantee we'd get more than a day two pick for him if we put him on the block.

You could have all the talent in the world, but without a QB, what's the point?

[-Truth-]

You could have all the talent in the world, but without a QB, what's the point?

 

Jamal? How long have you been active? I have seen you around since the Forum Mock.

[Cillmatic]

I don't get the contract complaints. The salary is the norm for franchise QB's today. If you have one, you have to pony up.

I'm perfectly fine with being "stuck" with Flacco. You can certainly do a lot worse.

Most of the QB's paid as much as Joe are consistently good. Joe's not consistent.

[Stevin]

I think we definitely need to draft a qb. we need a replacement not for Flacco but for Schaub. he is to expencive for guy who not playing at all. and his deal short term. we need new T.Taylor  )

Edited October 25, 2015 by Stevin

[BSHU_Miami]

Most of the QB's paid as much as Joe are consistently good. Joe's not consistent.

staff, Tanny, Wilson, kaep, cutler..

[Cillmatic]

staff, Tanny, Wilson, kaep, cutler..

Like I said "most" and look at how all those bums(-Wilson) turned out. Also Kaep and Wilsons' contracts aren't as cap demanding as Joe's will be. Plus Joe's the one that began all these overpayments. Edited October 25, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Moderator 3]

Plus Joe's the one that began all these overpayments.

That's just not true. He got market value at the time.

[Inqui]

Like I said "most" and look at how all those bums(-Wilson) turned out. Also Kaep and Wilsons' contracts aren't as cap demanding as Joe's will be. Plus Joe's the one that began all these overpayments.

At risk of turning this into a Joe Flacco thread, that's the point. It's almost impossible to find a better QB at a lower price, and franchises have set themselves back decades trying to do so.

 

But like I say it's all a moot point because I'd be staggered if we took Goff.

[Jamal]

Most of the QB's paid as much as Joe are consistently good. Joe's not consistent.

Unless you're expecting him to be as good as Rodgers and Brady,  I think he falls in line with guys like Eli, and Matt Ryan. Lets look at the highest paid QB's. (According to NFL.com)

 

1. Aaron Rodgers: Might be the greatest QB of all time. Really no comparison between him and Flacco.

2. Russell Wilson: Doesn't get asked to do much, until this year and has been on and off. Can't really come to a fair conclusion yet because his o-line has been terrible.

3. Big Ben: No argument from me. Hes better than Flacco, but I'll take the guy I can rely on to be healthy.

4. Eli Manning: Almost a mirror reflection of Flacco. At times looks like a HOFer, but also has games where he looks like a complete scrub. Has gotten a little more consistent with ODB. Call me a homer, but give Flacco the same weopons and I'll take him over Eli.

5. Cam Newton: Better than Flacco.

6. Matt Ryan: I've always found him overrated. Even with a plethora of weapons, hes been very average this year.

7. Joe Flacco

8. Drew Brees : At this point of his career, Flacco is simply a better option at QB.

9. Phillip Rivers: Better than Flacco

 

From all those guys, the only QB's I would take over Flacco are Rodgers, Newton, Rivers, and maybe Wilson.

Edited October 26, 2015 by Jamal

[Cillmatic]

At risk of turning this into a Joe Flacco thread, that's the point. It's almost impossible to find a better QB at a lower price, and franchises have set themselves back decades trying to do so.

But like I say it's all a moot point because I'd be staggered if we took Goff.

You're right. I'll divert.

[BmoreBird22]

Unless you're expecting him to be as good as Rodgers and Brady,  I think he falls in line with guys like Eli, and Matt Ryan. Lets look at the highest paid QB's. (According to NFL.com)

 

1. Aaron Rodgers: Might be the greatest QB of all time. Really no comparison between him and Flacco.

2. Russell Wilson: Doesn't get asked to do much, until this year and has been on and off. Can't really come to a fair conclusion yet because his o-line has been terrible.

3. Big Ben: No argument from me. Hes better than Flacco, but I'll take the guy I can rely on to be healthy.

4. Eli Manning: Almost a mirror reflection of Flacco. At times looks like a HOFer, but also has games where he looks like a complete scrub. Has gotten a little more consistent with ODB. Call me a homer, but give Flacco the same weopons and I'll take him over Eli.

5. Cam Newton: Better than Flacco.

6. Matt Ryan: I've always found him overrated. Even with a plethora of weapons, hes been very average this year.

7. Joe Flacco

8. Drew Brees : At this point of his career, Flacco is simply a better option at QB.

9. Phillip Rivers: Better than Flacco

 

From all those guys, the only QB's I would take over Flacco are Rodgers, Newton, Rivers, and maybe Wilson.

I wouldn't take Newton over Flacco and at this point in time, my friend who's a Chargers fan says, "Rivers is good for at least one turnover a game. I'm almost expecting two against the Ravens."

[Crimson Raven]

Well, if we're thinking about the draft now. I wouldn't mind going Vernon Haregraves or Jalen Ramsey at the first round and someone like Tyler Boyd in the second. I would be on board for a Left Tackle, but unless he's a world breaking talent, I wouldn't choose the position over playmaking prospects on a team that is essentially playmaker starved. As for Flacco...well, I would say give him stronger weapons instead of an agless wonder and a few nobodies, and then we'll see because contrary to popular opinion, a quarterback is only as good as the people around him. Take away Ben's, Roger's, and Brady's weapons and offensive coordinators, and I'm sure you'll see some very ordinary quarterbacks, if not, terrible. Flacco is the least of this team's problems.

[Maryland]

I think we definitely need to draft a qb. we need a replacement not for Flacco but for Schaub. he is to expencive for guy who not playing at all. and his deal short term. we need new T.Taylor  )

This is something I agree with pretty strongly actually, and it's still kind of exciting to think about. 

 

I was really hoping Mettenberger would fall a couple years back because he is very similar to Joe (even had Cam as his OC at LSU lol). But alas, we threw away a pick on Wenning just a few picks after Mettenberger came off the board. 

 

I think Kevin Hogan looks like an exciting QB prospect. For some reason he always has his best games when I watch him, although I  understand he is the epitome of hot/cold. If he could develop some consistency he could be a very good back up, since he does have the ability to make some very nice touch passes. And he can use his legs, which is an asset to any QB. Plus he went to Stanford, so he's gotta be smart, right? lol. I probably wouldn't want to spend anything higher than a 4th for him, but he is intriguing. 

[Stevin]

I probably wouldn't want to spend anything higher than a 4th for him, but he is intriguing. 

I totaly agree. Hogan or Boykin in 4th. it's could be very interesting

[RaineV1]

Yeah. I do have concerns surrounding the prospect that he is overrated. My concerns stem from a trend of unsuccessful players against successful ones. I really liked Bosa coming into this season, but much like Clowney, I'm seeing him take plays off and not play with the intensity he's shown capable. These concerns always raise red flags with me as you well know.

I've noticed that most successful prospects from college typically play hard and never seem to just mail it in after establishing themselves. I can't recall many successful NFL players who adopted this strategy before turning pro.

Look at VH3 and even Cooper. Those guys never mailed it in and they're very successful players and prospects.

Actually, I think that was one of the complaints about Ngata coming out of college. It's the reason he fell to 12th overall, despite being the best defensive lineman in that draft. However, during his rookie season he had Ray Lewis standing right behind him to make sure he was giving it his all. The Ravens don't have a figure like that to push Bosa if he was the pick. That could definitely be a valid concern.

[GrimCoconut]

Actually, I think that was one of the complaints about Ngata coming out of college. It's the reason he fell to 12th overall, despite being the best defensive lineman in that draft. However, during his rookie season he had Ray Lewis standing right behind him to make sure he was giving it his all. The Ravens don't have a figure like that to push Bosa if he was the pick. That could definitely be a valid concern.

Yeah. It was a complaint that actually was valid at times. He certainly played great for us most of the time. I would call him the exception more than the rule.

[lgcs27288]

If we lose tonight we have the #2? Why do the Lions have the tiebreaker? Conference or division win?

[Ravens2343]

Its still way to early, but Paxton Lynch is gaining steam as a potential top pick in the draft.  Lets hope these QB's start to rise up and push themselves towards the top.  If we would get the #1 pick I would love a trade back to spot #4 or #5.

[redlobster]

Its still way to early, but Paxton Lynch is gaining steam as a potential top pick in the draft.  Lets hope these QB's start to rise up and push themselves towards the top.  If we would get the #1 pick I would love a trade back to spot #4 or #5.

 

Agreed, maybe pick up a 2017 1st or a bunch of 2nd/3rd round picks for a team wanting to move up a few spots for a qb.

 

I can see Ozzie doing something like this :

 

top 3 pick --> trading back to about 10 and then when the people he wants aren't there at 10 trading back again and drafting Jaylon Smith from ND, to the behest of Ravens fans. Not because I don't think Smith is a 1st round talent but bypassing the top CB, WR, and OT.

Edited October 28, 2015 by redlobster

[Ravens2343]

Agreed, maybe pick up a 2017 1st or a bunch of 2nd/3rd round picks for a team wanting to move up a few spots for a qb.

 

I can see Ozzie doing something like this :

 

top 3 pick --> trading back to about 10 and then when the people he wants aren't there at 10 trading back again and drafting Jaylon Smith from ND, to the behest of Ravens fans. Not because I don't think Smith is a 1st round talent but bypassing the top CB, WR, and OT.

 

Lets hope that if we have a top 3 pick that he doesn't trade all the way out of the top 10, we need an impact player at the top of this draft.  But, I think a good hypothetical situation would be to have pick #2 and trading back to #5 or #6 and getting a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year.  Then we could put two of those picks together and move back into the first round, especially since we would be picking at the top of the 2nd that carries a lot of value.

[redlobster]

Lets hope that if we have a top 3 pick that he doesn't trade all the way out of the top 10, we need an impact player at the top of this draft.  But, I think a good hypothetical situation would be to have pick #2 and trading back to #5 or #6 and getting a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year.  Then we could put two of those picks together and move back into the first round, especially since we would be picking at the top of the 2nd that carries a lot of value.

 

Agreed, having a 2nd first round pick would allow them to have a 5th year option on that player as well, ala teddy bridgewater

[GrimCoconut]

This is a figure of speech, but I'd bet money our pick is Bosa, as I stated I the other thread. If he's gone then I expect the team to trade back and get the LT, Hargreaves or Ramsey. I'm very confident one of those guys will be a Raven.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I've been all over Bosa as our first pick up until this point, but the more I watch of him and the Ravens, the more I think we need to trade back a few spots and get an extra 2 this year and an extra 1 next year. That should give us enough new talent this year to end the "rebuild phase" and then enough next year to put us back into the elite team category 

[GrimCoconut]

I've been all over Bosa as our first pick up until this point, but the more I watch of him and the Ravens, the more I think we need to trade back a few spots and get an extra 2 this year and an extra 1 next year. That should give us enough new talent this year to end the "rebuild phase" and then enough next year to put us back into the elite team category

I'm going to tell you now this isn't going to happen unless Ozzie feels really really confident, like 100% sure, he can still get him. There's evidence supporting the notion that the Ravens want to get an elite talent behind Suggs now that can be his long-term replacement. Steve himself said he'd like a pass rusher earlier this year before the draft. I also recall rumors that we wanted Alvin Dupree before he went to Pittsburgh. A report came it recently that we tried to trade up to get Mack in 2014.

I really think we're going pass rusher and taking the elite talent. I know Ozzie likes draft picks, but this could be a top 5 pick. I'm not sure he passes on a top 5 player.