Top 5 Draft Pick?

[GrimCoconut]

It would be a waste of a pick to get a QB for a multitude of reasons. We're not far away from being good again. And honestly, Haragreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, Nkemdiche, would all be game changers for us. I'd be estatic with all of em.

Now you could trade Goff in the future but if you're in a position where all of them are gone and Goff is the BPA you trade back.

QB is the least of our worries

Let me ask you a question: if I told you that Goff will be the next Aaron Rodgers do you still feel the same? I'm not saying he will. Again, I'm not even saying we should take the guy over other top players. Only wondering how your perspective changes if he's the next Rodgers.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yes. Flacco has 4-5 good years left. Do you want him to wait around on the bench for that long? Honestly a QB change at that point might honestly be foolish.

And as much as I like Goff. Rodgers he does not remind me of.

We're win win now mode. We can still be a super bowl team next year. Goff does not give us that opportunity

[52520Andrew]

Yeah Goff needs development, I'd rather ransom him off to a team than take him

[Inqui]

Yeah Goff needs development, I'd rather ransom him off to a team than take him

Nothing worse than taking him in the top five only to find out he was a product of the system and ends up looking like Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker did in the 2011 class.

Not saying that's what would happen, but if it did that would look seriously ugly given we already have a franchise guy.

[Cillmatic]

There's no QB worth taking in the first round this year. Goff is raw as a sushi roll.

Bosa won't switch systems and bring the immediate pass rushing help we need.

Either Hargreaves or Ramsey.

Edited October 24, 2015 by Cillmatic

[JoeyFlex5]

Yes. Flacco has 4-5 good years left. Do you want him to wait around on the bench for that long? Honestly a QB change at that point might honestly be foolish.

And as much as I like Goff. Rodgers he does not remind me of.

We're win win now mode. We can still be a super bowl team next year. Goff does not give us that opportunity

this. our window of opportunity is beginning to close, and while i fully appreciate ozzies methodical approaches, we have to adapt to take advtange of what we have, and that begins with building a team around flacco, not necessarily just drafting offensive players, but NOT acting like we have complete freedom to manage the team however we want. 

[BmoreBird22]

Would you take him over Hargreaves or Ramsey? That's where I'm just not sure, man. Tunsil and Stanley are other guys who makes it tough. I need to watch them very closely.

As for Nkemdiche, I'm just not as sold on him as others but I haven't watched much Ole Miss this year. I only watched Ole Miss for their offense in Treadwell.

I think right now I'd take Hargreaves, Ramsey, Bosa, before Goff, and I would need to really look at Tunsil, Stanley, Treadwell and Boyd more. I do think it's possible he could be BPA, though. I love what I've seen from him. I think he has what it takes to be very very special. His ball placement is really damn accurate. I dare say he does remind me of Rodgers.

Over Hargreaves? No, I would definitely not. I think Hargreaves can be that game changer. The Ravens have good corners in place, they just lack consistency for their third corner with so many injuries. Hell, even the second corner spot looks shaky. But if Jimmy can stay healthy, which I think he can, and Hargreaves stays healthy, that's a duo that's there together for at least four years and one that builds huge chemistry. That's amazingly huge. I would take Hargreaves in a heartbeat because he's so polished it's insane. He could legit be a starting corner that doesn't have a huge transition period. 

 

I've talked about Stanley before and while I like him, he just isn't nasty enough for me. Not to mention that I have full faith in Monroe when he's healthy, which seemed to be much like Jimmy where he had a few fluke injuries. With offensive lineman coming into the NFL, they just don't seem to get that same attention and coaching that the other positions do. You start to get freakish defensive players that get all the love and then you've got fat kids who were placed at offensive line because they couldn't do anything else and all of a sudden, they just get neglected. I'd be a bit hesitant to take a LT that early, especially when I have faith in Monroe still. 

 

With Nkemdiche, he's raw, but he's a freak athlete and Clarence Brooks just knows how to develop talent so well. Could you imagine him getting his hands on a physical prowess the level of Nkemdiche? That'd be a sight to see. 

 

I don't think I'd take Ramsey before Goff just because I feel like this is a decent safety class. We'll see, though. 

And of course, there's still free agency to be done, but there are few people I'd take before Goff just because having a franchise quarterback like that sit behind Joe could do wonders.

[BmoreBird22]

Yes. Flacco has 4-5 good years left. Do you want him to wait around on the bench for that long? Honestly a QB change at that point might honestly be foolish.

And as much as I like Goff. Rodgers he does not remind me of.

We're win win now mode. We can still be a super bowl team next year. Goff does not give us that opportunity

But, Flacco only has three years left on his deal. I know we've all made this huge assumption that an extension will get worked out, but what if it doesn't and Linta just says, "Hey, we're going to play this out." What do you do then? Do you gamble on him coming back to the table later or do you start to plan ahead knowing that quarterbacks face an uphill battle and you won't get another shot at a quarterback like this again?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

But, Flacco only has three years left on his deal. I know we've all made this huge assumption that an extension will get worked out, but what if it doesn't and Linta just says, "Hey, we're going to play this out." What do you do then? Do you gamble on him coming back to the table later or do you start to plan ahead knowing that quarterbacks face an uphill battle and you won't get another shot at a quarterback like this again?

And in those three years we can win one. Goff does not give us that opportunity. Build a foundation now. We're young. We can do that. There are some good QB prospects that are coming out within the next three years. Take a Rosen, or something down the line. We could take a guy in the mid rounds and let him develop and see how that plays out, but I actually agree with Joey. We have a window of opportunity in those three years. Take advantage of it. 

I think Goff has all the tools to be a good QB. But we already have a QB.

 

There has only been on time in my NFL amateur scouting thing have I ever considered a QB to be the BPA at any point. His name was Andrew Luck. 

[ravefan52]

What did the Browns get- like a first and fourth for the Bills to move up to four from eight?

Ya the bills gave up a 1st and 4th to get Watkins when they could have just stayed put and took Odell. I think it's hilarious how many 1st rounders the Browns have had recently and still suck.

[Deflated Football]

I haven't liked a player coming out of college as much as I like VH3 in a long time. He IS a Raven. He could be a shutdown corner and he's also an all star off the field. Pair him with Jimmy and place Webb in the slot with an improved pass rush and we could be back to a Ravens defense. If we get a top 5 pick, only player I could see us picking over him is Bosa which I would also be very happy with. But man, VH3 is a game changer. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

There's no QB worth taking in the first round this year. Goff is raw as a sushi roll.

Bosa won't switch systems and bring the immediate pass rushing help we need.

Either Hargreaves or Ramsey.

Ready..

 

 

DC: Bosa. Pin your ears back and go get him

 

Bosa: 

 

Even if he doesn't get the sack he is going to put pressure on the QB. And Oregon last season had a good Oline and he put pressure on Mariota all game. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Come to think of it. Bosa really came on at the end of that game. Only criticism I truly have of him on that tape is that he did not follow read option plays well. Good thing too many teams do not use it anymore. 

[GrimCoconut]

There's no QB worth taking in the first round this year. Goff is raw as a sushi roll.

Bosa won't switch systems and bring the immediate pass rushing help we need.

Either Hargreaves or Ramsey.

Goff needs development and I'm not advocating for him. Just saying he's an interesting option that I don't think is quite so easily eliminated.

I do agree on Hargreaves or Ramsey. I think they're both special.

[Cillmatic]

Ready..

DC: Bosa. Pin your ears back and go get him

Bosa:

Even if he doesn't get the sack he is going to put pressure on the QB. And Oregon last season had a good Oline and he put pressure on Mariota all game.

Because if you can do decent against Oregon's offense you'll DEFINITELY do well against professionals in an actual offense...

[Inqui]

Because if you can do decent against Oregon's offense you'll DEFINITELY do well against professionals in an actual offense...

What's he supposed to do? Take a two-week internship in the NFL where he joins a side without getting the wages? You take on whoever's in front of you and Oregon clearly aren't scrubs.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

What's he supposed to do? Take a two-week internship in the NFL where he joins a side without getting the wages? You take on whoever's in front of you and Oregon clearly aren't scrubs.

And Oregon had maybe the best offense in the NCAA last season

[Cillmatic]

What's he supposed to do? Take a two-week internship in the NFL where he joins a side without getting the wages? You take on whoever's in front of you and Oregon clearly aren't scrubs.

How does Bosa doing good as 4-3 DE make you think he's gonna be an elite 3-4 LB? I don't think it's as simply as you're saying it is. A lot of players find shifted systems difficult. Edited October 24, 2015 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

How does Bosa doing good as 4-3 DE make you think he's gonna be an elite 3-4 LB? I don't think it's as simply as you're saying it is.

 

There's this thing called learning.  What you're failing to realize is that Bosa's main responsibility as a rookie would likely be rushing the passer when he's on the field.  He can absolutely do that as a 3-4 OLB.  With Suggs and Dumervil still here, there's no pressure for Bosa to take on every single role of a 3-4 OLB right off the bat.  That gives him an opportunity to learn the position and everything that comes with it.  It's not like he wouldn't see considerable time as a down lineman in nickel situations.

[52520Andrew]

There's this thing called learning.  What you're failing to realize is that Bosa's main responsibility as a rookie would likely be rushing the passer when he's on the field.  He can absolutely do that as a 3-4 OLB.  With Suggs and Dumervil still here, there's no pressure for Bosa to take on every single role of a 3-4 OLB right off the bat.  That gives him an opportunity to learn the position and everything that comes with it.  It's not like he wouldn't see considerable time as a down lineman in nickel situations.

 

Nah, players never learn anything. That is why we keep Suggs at DE, or K.O. and Yanda at OT.

[DefensiveMind]

Because if you can do decent against Oregon's offense you'll DEFINITELY do well against professionals in an actual offense...

With this mentality, you can never predict that any college player will be good in the pros...

So when you say hargreaves will be good (which I agree) once could simply say "because you can do decent against quarterbacks/ wide receivers in college, you'll DEFINITELY doe well against professionals in an actual offense..."

seems a little bias

[BmoreBird22]

And in those three years we can win one. Goff does not give us that opportunity. Build a foundation now. We're young. We can do that. There are some good QB prospects that are coming out within the next three years. Take a Rosen, or something down the line. We could take a guy in the mid rounds and let him develop and see how that plays out, but I actually agree with Joey. We have a window of opportunity in those three years. Take advantage of it. 

I think Goff has all the tools to be a good QB. But we already have a QB.

 

There has only been on time in my NFL amateur scouting thing have I ever considered a QB to be the BPA at any point. His name was Andrew Luck. 

Okay, so let's say that the Ravens do win one in the next three years. That means they're back to drafting in the late 20's. Really don't think teams will allow another Rodgers to fall that far again. This is a position that has seen Gabbert and Ponder go top 10 because teams are so very desperate.

 

Sure, the Ravens have a quarterback NOW, but what if Joe doesn't re-sign or extend his contract? What do the Ravens do then? They can't just pick franchise quarterbacks off of trees.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Okay, so let's say that the Ravens do win one in the next three years. That means they're back to drafting in the late 20's. Really don't think teams will allow another Rodgers to fall that far again. This is a position that has seen Gabbert and Ponder go top 10 because teams are so very desperate.

Sure, the Ravens have a quarterback NOW, but what if Joe doesn't re-sign or extend his contract? What do the Ravens do then? They can't just pick franchise quarterbacks off of trees.

Then the Ravens franchise the guy when we cross that bridge.

It's highly unlikely we let joe walk for the same the same reason as your last sentence states. Just saying

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Listen BmoeBirds. I get your point. But if we're drafting in the top 5 and so close to a SB(weird position yes). Then why waste the top 5 pick on Goff? Why not take a chance on a QB that falls to the second or third and let that guy develop? Build up a good situation now as a young team so when in the future of Flacco leaves he has a good team around him.

I think Goff is the best QB prospect since Luck. But I don't want us wasting our first top 10 or 5 pick in years on a QB when that isn't a problem. I want us to tool up.

I actually think we take a QB high. Second or third round is very plausible. Just don't think we should take on in the top 5. Let a guy develop.

[GrimCoconut]

I know I'm the one who started this discussion regarding us taking Goff. It's a very precarious situation in which we find ourselves because I really would rather take a more vital position, but if a guy is BPA then he's BPA. I think it all depends on who's available when we pick, but if it's someone like Goff I'd not hesitate to take him if he's BPA if he's there depending on where we are picking.

That said, QB is the last position I want us to take.

[GrimCoconut]

With this mentality, you can never predict that any college player will be good in the pros...

So when you say hargreaves will be good (which I agree) once could simply say "because you can do decent against quarterbacks/ wide receivers in college, you'll DEFINITELY doe well against professionals in an actual offense..."

seems a little bias

I'm not sure it's bias, but it is certainly a double standard. I completely agree.

[BmoreBird22]

Listen BmoeBirds. I get your point. But if we're drafting in the top 5 and so close to a SB(weird position yes). Then why waste the top 5 pick on Goff? Why not take a chance on a QB that falls to the second or third and let that guy develop? Build up a good situation now as a young team so when in the future of Flacco leaves he has a good team around him.

I think Goff is the best QB prospect since Luck. But I don't want us wasting our first top 10 or 5 pick in years on a QB when that isn't a problem. I want us to tool up.

I actually think we take a QB high. Second or third round is very plausible. Just don't think we should take on in the top 5. Let a guy develop.

You wouldn't be wasting a high pick if it meant extending this window for another 10, 15 years. 

[GrimCoconut]

Listen BmoeBirds. I get your point. But if we're drafting in the top 5 and so close to a SB(weird position yes). Then why waste the top 5 pick on Goff? Why not take a chance on a QB that falls to the second or third and let that guy develop? Build up a good situation now as a young team so when in the future of Flacco leaves he has a good team around him.

I think Goff is the best QB prospect since Luck. But I don't want us wasting our first top 10 or 5 pick in years on a QB when that isn't a problem. I want us to tool up.

I actually think we take a QB high. Second or third round is very plausible. Just don't think we should take on in the top 5. Let a guy develop.

I forgot to reply directly to this, but playing devil's advocate here, you take a a QB top five because there's a much better chance that guy is the guy and not a guy. Wilson isn't that good imo, but he's a steal in the third and he's the exception and not the norm.

[rmw10]

I want to see more of Goff, but it wouldn't be the worst pick in the world.  He's a guy that has a lot of good traits already, but one that still needs some work.  If he's a guy that you think can develop into that franchise QB in 2-3 years, then I wouldn't see a problem with taking him.  At that point, you could probably move Flacco for a nice haul.  It might not pay immediate dividends, but if he's a guy you think could be a top QB in the league, then you absolutely take him.  The thing that stands out most to me is his ability to stay calm and move within the pocket.  He's one of the best I've seen in that regard in the past few years.

 

With that being said, I still believe in and I'm sure the team believes in Flacco.  I don't think he's a top 5 QB by any means, but more than half of the teams in the league would absolutely love to have him.  I think this would be a much more reasonable debate if Flacco was like 2 years older, but he's still got plenty of time left in this league if he wants it.

Edited October 25, 2015 by rmw10

[Wildabeast88]

Listen BmoeBirds. I get your point. But if we're drafting in the top 5 and so close to a SB(weird position yes). Then why waste the top 5 pick on Goff? Why not take a chance on a QB that falls to the second or third and let that guy develop? Build up a good situation now as a young team so when in the future of Flacco leaves he has a good team around him.

I think Goff is the best QB prospect since Luck. But I don't want us wasting our first top 10 or 5 pick in years on a QB when that isn't a problem. I want us to tool up.

I actually think we take a QB high. Second or third round is very plausible. Just don't think we should take on in the top 5. Let a guy develop.

I agree don't you think the Redskins would take back the RG3 trade and got Russell Wilson instead. I would take Bosa the top CB WR and if you want take a QB later