Top 5 Draft Pick?

[GrimCoconut]

We're in a draft board. I along with others are looking for players that we would actually draft. Throwing out a name of Bosa without wanting to defend it is pointless.

He's more about Ramsey than anyone. I think you're taking his attempt to make light of our situation a little too seriously. I don't think he's out here campaigning for Bosa, just saying that hey, we could have this guy who's widely seen as the best guy at his position. 

[BSHU_Miami]

Doing good against Maryland I like beating up a baby. He's a 4-3 DE, why do you think he'd be the same player in a 3-4 system?

dude screw the system it's not working

[Cillmatic]

Yeah, I'll take a chill pill

[JO_75]

 

Doing good against Maryland I like beating up a baby. He's a 4-3 DE, why do you think he'd be the same player in a 3-4 system?

 

 

Clowney is doing quite well as a 3-4 OLB for Houston and there were some that thought Mack should have been the pick because he was a better fit in the 3-4 over Clowney. I think Bosa would work out quite well as a 3-4 OLB and considering we would be picking between 1st and 5th at the moment, Bosa would be BPA and Ozzie wouldn't waste anytime getting that pick in.

[Inqui]

He's more about Ramsey than anyone. I think you're taking his attempt to make light of our situation a little too seriously. I don't think he's out here campaigning for Bosa, just saying that hey, we could have this guy who's widely seen as the best guy at his position. 

Exactly. I'm not committing to a guy at #1 yet (but at this rate it'll probably be better than Ramsey, so yay!) and there's enough negativity around as it is.

[52520Andrew]

The bad news is that we lost today, but the good news is that that means more Bosa gifs.

 

May become the highlight of my Sundays lol

[Inqui]

May become the highlight of my Sundays lol

Given how the Bengals and Steelers are going it's not like it's competing with much.

[JoeyFlex5]

Clowney is doing quite well as a 3-4 OLB for Houston and there were some that thought Mack should have been the pick because he was a better fit in the 3-4 over Clowney. I think Bosa would work out quite well as a 3-4 OLB and considering we would be picking between 1st and 5th at the moment, Bosa would be BPA and Ozzie wouldn't waste anytime getting that pick in.

ozzie wouldn't just jump on that pick, he would make every effort to trade back to 2 or 3, he knows he could get a kings ransom for just a small trade back, and he would likely not be sold on passing up a high 2nd, and a future first for bosa. You can just bet that if we're picking first then Ozzie s thinking it through and is likely hoping to go a different route.

[52520Andrew]

Given how the Bengals and Steelers are going it's not like it's competing with much.

 

That and I generally work on Sundays so it really isn't competing with much

[BSHU_Miami]

If we get Stanley we can possibly slide Monroe to LG and let urshel and zuttah battle the center position out if we lose kelecke. Is that a possibility?

[Inqui]

If we get Stanley we can possibly slide Monroe to LG and let urshel and zuttah battle the center position out if we lose kelecke. Is that a possibility?

I'd imagine we give Stanley the JO treatment and put him at LG for his first year or two. Maybe give it a couple of seasons to shop Monroe to a LT-needy side (lol back to the Jags) for the right price.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, I'd put Stanley at LG before LT. He can always slide over to play LT when needed

[BSHU_Miami]

Yeah, I'd put Stanley at LG before LT. He can always slide over to play LT when needed

makes sense. I like that idea.

[izvoodoo]

Yeah, I'd put Stanley at LG before LT. He can always slide over to play LT when needed

Yeah, considering how long it took to find one LT I'm not against having two.  

Edited October 19, 2015 by izvoodoo

[PurpleCity5]

ozzie wouldn't just jump on that pick, he would make every effort to trade back to 2 or 3, he knows he could get a kings ransom for just a small trade back, and he would likely not be sold on passing up a high 2nd, and a future first for bosa. You can just bet that if we're picking first then Ozzie s thinking it through and is likely hoping to go a different route.

I'm definitely taking the 2nd and Hargreaves. Some team would have to be licking their chops for Bosa quiet honestly. I like Bosa a lot, and I mean a lot but if we get a crazy offer like a 1st and a 2nd then no way I'm turning that down. 

[PurpleCity5]

If we get Stanley we can possibly slide Monroe to LG and let urshel and zuttah battle the center position out if we lose kelecke. Is that a possibility?

That's how I see it as well. I really like Stanley, some people may be opposed to taking an OL but he's such a sure fire player to me. He's really good. 

Edited October 20, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm definitely taking the 2nd and Hargreaves. Some team would have to be licking their chops for Bosa quiet honestly. I like Bosa a lot, and I mean a lot but if we get a crazy offer like a 1st and a 2nd then no way I'm turning that down. 

lets say... were picking 3rd, and you got the bears, texans and saints all taking up the next 3 picks in any order, and goff is on the board, the later 2 out of those 3 teams would probably be ready to sell the house for goff, we know the texans and saints are gonna target goff, the bears probably will as well, mannnn if goff falls to us, we are about to be LOADED. lets say the saints are picking 6th and wanna trade up for goff, theyre offering their 6th overall, the 37th overall, and next years first for their franchise qb. if the saints struggle next year, then we will have another top half pick, and we will 2 top 6 picks in the 2nd round. we would be able to get one of hargreaves, ramsey, one of the top 2 OTs, and we may also be  considering the top WR, then with 2 high 2nd round picks we are gonna load up as this is another draft that appears strong in the 2nd and 3rd. then 2 first rounders next year and boom, we are suddenly loaded with straight up studs young and cheap. could you imagine if we landed ramsey, and then got jack and doctson, or jack and dural, or jack and maybe cameron sutton in the 2nd? jesus man, it would be an embarrassment of riches, and our group of weapons would be set(assuming perriman is ok and maxx pans out) and our defense would begin tying itself together quite nicely with the cornerstones in place

Edited October 20, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleCity5]

lets say... were picking 3rd, and you got the bears, texans and saints all taking up the next 3 picks in any order, and goff is on the board, the later 2 out of those 3 teams would probably be ready to sell the house for goff, we know the texans and saints are gonna target goff, the bears probably will as well, mannnn if goff falls to us, we are about to be LOADED. lets say the saints are picking 6th and wanna trade up for goff, theyre offering their 6th overall, the 37th overall, and next years first for their franchise qb. if the saints struggle next year, then we will have another top half pick, and we will 2 top 6 picks in the 2nd round. we would be able to get one of hargreaves, ramsey, one of the top 2 OTs, and we may also be considering the top WR, then with 2 high 2nd round picks we are gonna load up as this is another draft that appears strong in the 2nd and 3rd. then 2 first rounders next year and boom, we are suddenly loaded with straight up studs young and cheap. could you imagine if we landed ramsey, and then got jack and doctson, or jack and dural, or jack and maybe cameron sutton in the 2nd? jesus man, it would be an embarrassment of riches, and our group of weapons would be set(assuming perriman is ok and maxx pans out) and our defense would begin tying itself together quite nicely with the cornerstones in place

Imagine the possiblities. I mean goodness, the amount of picks we would get from that draft would be insanity. I can't imagine that lol. Good scenario you came up with. Saints are legit to draft Geoff, I see this being Brees last year in New Orleans. I can see a three man race between New Orleans, Chicago, and Houston for a franchise QB. I don't want to move too far back, I still want Hargreaves.

[JoeyFlex5]

Imagine the possiblities. I mean goodness, the amount of picks we would get from that draft would be insanity. I can't imagine that lol. Good scenario you came up with. Saints are legit to draft Geoff, I see this being Brees last year in New Orleans. I can see a three man race between New Orleans, Chicago, and Houston for a franchise QB. I don't want to move too far back, I still want Hargreaves.

i may be in the minority here, but i think you can do just fine with solid cb's, top shelf shutdown cb's are nice, but i have no problem missing out on a guy like hargreaves if we are able to land a cameron sutton in the early 2nd while also stocking up a ton of great picks for the present and future. 

 

if we were to trade back and miss out on hargreaves and ramsey, and get the top wr or the top remaining OT between stanley and tunsil(who could rise and take the top OT spot by the end of the year), and then we pick up cameron sutton and ogbah or calhoun or myles jack and are still working with an extra first for next year, yea thats a home run, too early to talk like this though really lol. 

 

trading back just a few spots from a high pick also puts future trades into the realm of possibilities as well, a trade like the one i just thought up could allow us to make a blockbuster trade up for a cant miss superstar prospect without mortgaging the future, or maybe we can use that extra pick to grab leonard fournette and still have another first to play with. the idea is starting to sound great to me.

Edited October 20, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If Bosa and Tunsil are gone and we are in the top 5, you trade back for the farm inclusive of a first rounder next year, and take the BPA. Whether it's Boyd, Haragreaves, Treadwell, whatever, you take it.

The top end of the class is very good across the board. Rare for me to find a guy I wouldn't like for us(besides a QB)

[PurpleCity5]

i may be in the minority here, but i think you can do just fine with solid cb's, top shelf shutdown cb's are nice, but i have no problem missing out on a guy like hargreaves if we are able to land a cameron sutton in the early 2nd while also stocking up a ton of great picks for the present and future. 

 

if we were to trade back and miss out on hargreaves and ramsey, and get the top wr or the top remaining OT between stanley and tunsil(who could rise and take the top OT spot by the end of the year), and then we pick up cameron sutton and ogbah or calhoun or myles jack and are still working with an extra first for next year, yea thats a home run, too early to talk like this though really lol. 

 

trading back just a few spots from a high pick also puts future trades into the realm of possibilities as well, a trade like the one i just thought up could allow us to make a blockbuster trade up for a cant miss superstar prospect without mortgaging the future, or maybe we can use that extra pick to grab leonard fournette and still have another first to play with. the idea is starting to sound great to me.

I like Sutton, I don't know about the probability of getting him in the early 2nd tho. I wonder about getting Fuller in the 2nd, teams tend to get shaky with injuries. I can't predict how far he will fall but that knee injury surely hurt his stock pretty bad. I'd still love to get an extra 1st and 2nd no matter who on Earth we have to part ways with, even Bosa. I like Bosa a lot but I'm willing to say goodbye if someone offered that kind of deal.

 

As far as future trade goes, yeah, we can make those kind of moves and it would make sense. Oz is never finished building a roster, he's always looking to make moves.

 

Fournette would be an amazing pick up but I don't know if he'll fall to us. He looks to go into the top 10 easily, and if Gurley can go as high as he went, I personally think Fournette can go into the top 5, lol. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I like Sutton, I don't know about the probability of getting him in the early 2nd tho. I wonder about getting Fuller in the 2nd, teams tend to get shaky with injuries. I can't predict how far he will fall but that knee injury surely hurt his stock pretty bad. I'd still love to get an extra 1st and 2nd no matter who on Earth we have to part ways with, even Bosa. I like Bosa a lot but I'm willing to say goodbye if someone offered that kind of deal.

 

As far as future trade goes, yeah, we can make those kind of moves and it would make sense. Oz is never finished building a roster, he's always looking to make moves.

 

Fournette would be an amazing pick up but I don't know if he'll fall to us. He looks to go into the top 10 easily, and if Gurley can go as high as he went, I personally think Fournette can go into the top 5, lol. 

im personally scared of fuller, wasnt a huge fan to begin with and a severe knee injury on a cb scares the bejesus outta me. and the possibility of fournette is strictly tied to trading back in this draft, if we were to trade to a team like the saints, there is a good chance they struggle next year and leave us with a top 10 pick because of the trade. if we are looking to trade back, i think we need to avoid teams like houston and KC, and try to trade with a team like NO, hou and kc have pretty good rosters overall and can win games, NO will be putting all their eggs in a rookie qb basket, it would give us the best chance to get a high first next year. just imagine trading back, staying in the top 10, and getting a top 10 the following year plus our original pick..

[RaineV1]

Yeah, I'm in agreement that if the Ravens can get an RG3 or Julio Jones type of trade, they should do it. Giving Ozzie that many high end picks will definitely help turn the team around.

[H8R]

Here's my thing... These are the only positions teams should draft in the top 5: QB, left Tackle, DE, WR, Corner.

No RB, No LB, No Safety, No other Lineman.

[Cillmatic]

Here's my thing... These are the only positions teams should draft in the top 5: QB, left Tackle, DE, WR, Corner.

No RB, No LB, No Safety, No other Lineman.

You forgot LS in the top 5.

[H8R]

You forgot LS in the top 5.

Lol...

[JoeyFlex5]

Here's my thing... These are the only positions teams should draft in the top 5: QB, left Tackle, DE, WR, Corner.

No RB, No LB, No Safety, No other Lineman.

id rather take a S top 5 than a CB, of course assuming the S appears to be good enough, which hasnt happened lately... but if were talking ramsey vs hargreaves, gimme ramsey, if were talking earl thomas vs revis, call me crazy, but ill take thomas. an elite FS can do more, and is harder to find than an elite CB. an elite CB is like a mauling swing lineman who can play G and RT but cant play LT, while the elite safety is the real deal LT. not everyone will agree i know, but thats just how i see things.

[H8R]

id rather take a S top 5 than a CB, of course assuming the S appears to be good enough, which hasnt happened lately... but if were talking ramsey vs hargreaves, gimme ramsey, if were talking earl thomas vs revis, call me crazy, but ill take thomas. an elite FS can do more, and is harder to find than an elite CB. an elite CB is like a mauling swing lineman who can play G and RT but cant play LT, while the elite safety is the real deal LT. not everyone will agree i know, but thats just how i see things.

Huh? First you said LS... Which is a long snapper ... Since we're talking safety... BS, there's a reason why Corners are paid more... Because they're more valuable, they're harder to find. Revis, Prime, etc... Eliminate WR's... Shutting down a whole side of a field, safties are roleplayers.

[JoeyFlex5]

Huh? First you said LS... Which is a long snapper ... Since we're talking safety... BS, there's a reason why Corners are paid more... Because they're more valuable, they're harder to find. Revis, Prime, etc... Eliminate WR's... Shutting down a whole side of a field, safties are roleplayers.

LS was someone else.. i was responding to you talking about CBs. so do you think that sherman is more valuable to the seahawks than earl thomas is? its easy to say right now, that a cb is more important and a safety is just a roleplayer, but you have to remember its not about the position and the role, its about the current quality of play at the position that makes you say that. every year dominant cb's just sprout up all across the league, but there is one elite FS in the league at the moment, so of course all those other guys look like just role players. ill take an ed reed over a darrelle revis 8 days outta the week, ill take earl thomas over sherman without question, the impact that a truly elite FS has on a defense is greater than the impact that a truly elite CB has, taking the top WR out of the game is nice, it can allow for lots of sliding coverage and fun blitzes, but an elite FS makes the whole offense play scared, every WR on the field feels covered to the offense when you have a guy like ed reed out there, qb's hesitate to throw simply because of that presence. ed reed scared offenses so bad that some qb's would essentially scrap the deepball when facing him, alot of qb's would watch ed more than they watched their targets, no cb can strike that kind of fear into an offense. now i know its a long shot to say anyone is on that level, but you say safeties are role players just because most current safeties are, its not ramseys fault that the current talent at safety is straight up anemic right now. 

 

also, you have revis, harris, talib, peterson, sherman, davis, grimes, peters, great guys right now at cb, and at FS you have thomas, and then you can make an argument for HHCD and byrd when hes healthy, thats it, so how is a cb harder to find?

Edited October 21, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[Gordo52]

I really hate that this thread title is a legitimate possibility, but it's also really exciting at the same time.

Same. It's so weird.

If we were rebuilding it would suck but thankfully it's not that bad.