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[HoldingCall]

Nobody says it was possible or feasible. Don't play Madden or Fantasy football. With our offensive and defensive shortcomings, no harm to fantasize what a dramatic difference that would make. I do think it is possible that maybe we could have kept Anquan if we had juggled elsewhere under the cap. What bothers me is that perhaps the Ravens could have made more effort with Anquan to continue to negotiate rather than take him completely by surprise when he is away in Africa. He may have conceded some more in negotiations, which we will never know after the fact. The FO has made its share of questionable cap/salary decisions and overpaid other players who did not pan out.

I agree with this! Was it arrogances with Boldin, who knows? Eliminate a some of the bad contracts and I think they could have afforded more of the talent they willingly and easily let walk. I believe the losses this season are mostly due to the injuries sustained and ill-timed penalties. That said, past decisions and the present situation are tied together. Example: Keep Torrey and Perriman probably isn't the first round pick. No one expected Ngata to be gone, or keep McPhee (like I wanted) and Babin isn't here to create ill-timed penalties last week that eventually led to 10 points.

[HoldingCall]

1.Boldin has/had an agent, and he was the one doing the negotiations. Many players never actually negotiate anything about their contracts, or are even in the room for discussions until its time to sign.

 

2. There wasn't really any time left to keep negotiating. He was traded on March 11th, and the league year began March 12th. Much like Ngata, the Ravens traded him prior to FA opening, because the likelihood of them coming to terms on something they'd already been negotiating for at least a few months was slim.

 

3. By all accounts, Boldin was unwilling to negotiate about anything anyway, so there really was no upside from either party to continue to negotiate.

This makes it sound as though the decision or failure to decide was always on the agent or player. A few mutual concessions go a long way. We don't know the actual break down or the cause but clearly it happened. Since I wasn't there I cannot automatically blame one side nor the other.

[deebml]

With Steve Smith returning to practice yesterday do you think he will start on Sunday or come off the bench?

[redrum52]

I'm going out on a limb and I'm going to say we blow out the Niners. John will take this personally and I bet we see a focused team this week.

[rmcjacket23]

This makes it sound as though the decision or failure to decide was always on the agent or player. A few mutual concessions go a long way. We don't know the actual break down or the cause but clearly it happened. Since I wasn't there I cannot automatically blame one side nor the other.

Cool, neither should anybody. Yet, somehow, the narrative in here has been that the Ravens were responsible for not bringing Boldin back.

 

For what its worth, its at least reported that Boldin refused to take a paycut out of principle. He's clearly justified in making that stance, just like the Ravens were clearly justified in letting him go.

 

Make no mistake... there are plenty of people on here who think letting Boldin go was 100% the Ravens fault. To this day I have no idea what the basis for that assessment is, but it doesn't matter either.

 

I don't hold either side as more fault than the other. We've seen situations identical to this play out league-wide on every team and most of the time every year.

[K-Dog]

Colin Kaepernick Says He's 'Not Huge' on mechanics.

Well he can fix his own car than.

[Militant X 1]

Cool, neither should anybody. Yet, somehow, the narrative in here has been that the Ravens were responsible for not bringing Boldin back.

 

For what its worth, its at least reported that Boldin refused to take a paycut out of principle. He's clearly justified in making that stance, just like the Ravens were clearly justified in letting him go.

 

Make no mistake... there are plenty of people on here who think letting Boldin go was 100% the Ravens fault. To this day I have no idea what the basis for that assessment is, but it doesn't matter either.

 

I don't hold either side as more fault than the other. We've seen situations identical to this play out league-wide on every team and most of the time every year.

 

Agreed! 

 

Maybe it's just me but I'm wondering what is the whole purpose of this board constantly bringing up Boldin?  To me, the Ravens and he made their choice to part ways a few short years ago and some of our fan base hasn't been able to settle that issue in their hearts.  Sad!

[rmcjacket23]

Agreed! 

 

Maybe it's just me but I'm wondering what is the whole purpose of this board constantly bringing up Boldin?  To me, the Ravens and he made their choice to part ways a few short years ago and some of our fan base hasn't been able to settle that issue in their hearts.  Sad!

A lot of fans just want to relive the "good old days".

 

Doesn't add anything of benefit ever.

[Static]

On this forum, its obvious Kaepernick is a fantasy league pick

I got Torrey off waivers

[rmcjacket23]

I got Torrey off waivers

He won't do much.

[Moderator 3]

I got Torrey off waivers

Do you get points for PIs? With our flag-magnet defense, he'll probably get 4 or 5.

[jimmypowder]

No scenario where affording all three of those guys was possible...

Baloney . We could have made it happen .

[Inqui]

Baloney . We could have made it happen .

Sr was brought in as a replacement for Boldin. And Torrey was offered more at the Sailboats than we were prepared to offer - which is why he's a Sailboat and no longer in Baltimore.

Edited October 15, 2015 by Inqui

[rmcjacket23]

Baloney . We could have made it happen .

Please provide a detailed explanation of how that happens...

 

This one should be good.

[jimmypowder]

Please provide a detailed explanation of how that happens...

This one should be good.

If you recall we offered Torrey nearly the same amount as he got from the Niners . It was off 2 mill from what I remember .

Could have made it happen Sorry it was within the cap if we worked it right

[rmcjacket23]

If you recall we offered Torrey nearly the same amount as he got from the Niners . It was off 2 mill from what I remember .

Could have made it happen Sorry it was within the cap if we worked it right

Nope, not accurate. Couple of key points left out...

 

1. Boldin's contract expired after 2013, and Steve didn't sign until 2014. We have no idea how much it would have cost to resign Boldin in Baltimore, because we have no idea how his 2013 season would have played out. Chances are, if he performed like he did in the regular season for the years that he was here, we wouldn't have resigned him anyway, because we wouldn't have had a good reason to.

 

2. As far as I'm aware, the terms of the contract we offered Torrey aren't public. The rumored offer, which was a full year earlier, was for $7M a year, which is $1M a year less than what the 49ers gave him. That's a pretty significant amount.

 

3. If Boldin were resigned in 2013, why on Earth would the Ravens even think of signing Steve Smith? They would have had Boldin, Torrey, and likely Dennis Pitta. I don't even know why Steve Smith would have wanted to come here under that scenario.

 

4. Saying "we could have worked it right" is never valid. Anything can be done "if we worked it right". We could pay Joe Flacco $40M a year... "if we worked it right". We could trade for Odell Beckham and pay him $20M a year... "if we worked it right". The phrase "if we worked it right" is the exact same thing as saying "we can afford him if we cut a bunch of other people and don't sign barely anybody else".

 

Fortunately, smart NFL teams don't operate that way.

 

I always love when people say "we could have made it work" but then never actually outline a plan on how they would have made it work.

Edited October 15, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[RavensPunkXVX]

Thing is, nobody would have cared if Perriman came in healthy and played better than TORREY and if SSS was playing alongside him, you wouldn't hear a peep about Boldin because SSS has been playing lights out.

But it's hindsight. Nobody knew we'd be here.

[PurpleCity5]

If you recall we offered Torrey nearly the same amount as he got from the Niners . It was off 2 mill from what I remember .

Could have made it happen Sorry it was within the cap if we worked it right

If you should be mad at any one we passed on, be mad that we passed on McPhee. Torrey though? Nah Im good. Aiken even has more yards than him. We honestly need Breshad back thats all. BADLY.

[PurpleCity5]

Thing is, nobody would have cared if Perriman came in healthy and played better than TORREY and if SSS was playing alongside him, you wouldn't hear a peep about Boldin because SSS has been playing lights out.

But it's hindsight. Nobody knew we'd be here.

Nothing but truth here folks.

[allblackraven]

The only 49ers quarterback to beat the Ravens in official/competitive game is Elvis Grbac in our first season ever.

[harfordravenfan]

If we lose this game I'll be rooting for the highest draft pick.

 

with the injuries, our record, and how things are going so far...

 

I'm already rooting for the highest draft pick

[darklight1216]

The only 49ers quarterback to beat the Ravens in official/competitive game is Elvis Grbac in our first season ever.

That's a cool stat.

 

Unfortunately, it might go the way of the "Baltimore has never started a season 0-3" or "Under John Harbaugh, the Ravens have never lost to the Browns at home."

[jimmypowder]

If you should be mad at any one we passed on, be mad that we passed on McPhee. Torrey though? Nah Im good. Aiken even has more yards than him. We honestly need Breshad back thats all. BADLY.

Just because Aiken has more yards , doesn't mean Torrey wouldn't be a lot more successful here knowing

the system and Joe

[PurpleCity5]

Just because Aiken has more yards , doesn't mean Torrey wouldn't be a lot more successful here knowing

the system and Joe

You could bring up the fact that Torrey is playing with Kaepernick, but I haven't seen enough from Torrey to justify that we should have kept him. I really feel like this wouldn't have been brought up if Perriman was healthy. 

[jazz1988]

If you should be mad at any one we passed on, be mad that we passed on McPhee. Torrey though? Nah Im good. Aiken even has more yards than him. We honestly need Breshad back thats all. BADLY.

 

Aiken may have more yards than Torrey but he definitely not scaring no body like Torrey did. The 49ers quarterback situation isn't really all that good. Kapernick hasn't been playing well and that has honestly impacted Torrey and Boldin stats

[allblackraven]

That's a cool stat.

 

Unfortunately, it might go the way of the "Baltimore has never started a season 0-3" or "Under John Harbaugh, the Ravens have never lost to the Browns at home."

Heh. I don't believe in that JuJu stuff but if Ravens decide to keep up with it, I might reconsider my position.

[CalvinSmoke]

Sss is the best reciever in Baltimore history, I said it when he got here and I stand by it. Then there Boldin, then Mason. Love me some Torrey but he's not that guy, but he did make plays.

Norther of those guys leaving hurt us, Losing Corey Graham and McPhee, that's what drilled a nail into this franchise.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

It's not right seeing Torrey in a 49er uniform. Pitta only got 8 million less (32m) and we know how great that contract was. Makes me sick.

[FlackAttack]

Sss is the best reciever in Baltimore history, I said it when he got here and I stand by it. Then there Boldin, then Mason. Love me some Torrey but he's not that guy, but he did make plays.

Norther of those guys leaving hurt us, Losing Corey Graham and McPhee, that's what drilled a nail into this franchise.

 

dont forget MICHAEL JACKSON. dude was a beast.

 

but boldin leaving def hurt us. that would be downright silly to say it didnt.

[rmcjacket23]

Sss is the best reciever in Baltimore history, I said it when he got here and I stand by it. Then there Boldin, then Mason. Love me some Torrey but he's not that guy, but he did make plays.

Norther of those guys leaving hurt us, Losing Corey Graham and McPhee, that's what drilled a nail into this franchise.

Bit too early for me to cry over McPhee. We only have a five game sample without him, and its mostly amplified by losing Suggs. Takes at least probably two years before we can definitively say "yeah, we really miss that guy".

 

For what its worth, I think Graham and McPhee were two completely different situations. Graham, for the most part, didn't get that much money from Buffalo. He was just more of a "luxury" item at the time he hit FA for us, we didn't have much cap space to pay anybody at the time, and he was a good but not great player for this team.

 

McPhee everybody knew wouldn't be retained after his third year. He went to the highest bidder on the open market, and no team can pay that much for depth as a pass rusher.