The good,bad and ugly vent Browns at Ravens.

[Cillmatic]

Aiken really did his thing against The Browns. He really showed why he is clearly the number 2 receiver but i'm disappointed in Marlon Brown.Hopefully Brown can get it together but the other receivers like Ross and Givens are basically still new so maybe with time they will improve.

Lol, Aiken did his thing? Yeah if his thing is being Terrible. He blew that game. Only had like two catches and did many have ONE in the second half. He's a #4 WR at best.

[jazz1988]

Lol, Aiken did his thing? Yeah if his thing is being Terrible. He blew that game. Only had like two catches and did many have ONE in the second half. He's a #4 WR at best.

 

Actually he had four catches worth 78 receiving yards and beat a quality starting cornerback in Tramon Williams a  few times. I was actually impressed by Aikens but he did disappear in the second half but I figured that was due to The Browns defense keying on him since he was basically the only  threat at receiver on the field. 

 

He might have had another big catch in the second half after Joe Haden went down but Flacco over threw him. In my opinion I think Aiken is growing as a receiver but I don't think he can carry the offense by his self so helpfully Brown can tap into his 2013 form and Givens can tap into his  2012 form soon

Edited October 17, 2015 by jazz1988

[January J]

Lol, Aiken did his thing? Yeah if his thing is being Terrible. He blew that game. Only had like two catches and did many have ONE in the second half. He's a #4 WR at best.

Aiken is a solid #3 and can get away with being a number 2 in a pinch but obviously we have other issues. He had like 75 yards receiving 5 minutes into the game and then they started Keying in on him. Your talking about Aiken when I don't think brown caught one pass the entire game. He might have had 1 for like -2 yards. The only thing he did positive was get hit in the head drawing a penalty.

Edited October 18, 2015 by January J

[Cillmatic]

He does decent In ONE half against the worst defense in the league and that makes up for all the other times he sucked? I don't see it.

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Except the fact that he actually had solid games against Pittsburgh and Oakland, averaging 5 catches for 83 yards across the two despite playing just over 70% of the snaps in those games. It would be more preferable if he wasn't the starting WR, and I'm sure that many others share the same opinion. But he at least deserves more credit than supposedly playing well for only one half of the last five games.

[Cillmatic]

Has he done well against defenses? Thought so.

Also in the raider game Oakland was forced into playing backup corners and safeties due to injuries. And the steelers secondary just sucks.

Sickens just not good. Sorry.

[jazz1988]

Has he done well against defenses? Thought so.

Also in the raider game Oakland was forced into playing backup corners and safeties due to injuries. And the steelers secondary just sucks.

Sickens just not good. Sorry.

 

Well looking at Oakland inactives list  just about all their starting corner backs and safeties played against The Ravens so no it wasn't their back up corners and safeties unless some of their starters went on i.r. I still think it was impressive  for Aiken to play well last sunday especially with all the talk about him not being able to beat quality starting cornerbacks. Unless father time is just catching up to Tramon Williams then he's a quality starting cornerback and Aiken beat him quite few times.

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Has he done well against defenses? Thought so.

Also in the raider game Oakland was forced into playing backup corners and safeties due to injuries. And the steelers secondary just sucks.

Sickens just not good. Sorry.

 

Do you expect him to? Would anyone expect Aiken to dominate or play well consistently against top tier defenses? You specifically outlined that he played well against a porous defense last week. If we're labeling the Raiders and Steelers defense as sub-par units, then he has played well in more than a single half against against below average defenses, meaning that your point remains invalid.

 

Except that they didn't. T.J. Carrie and D.J. Hayden played 154 of the 164 total snaps. Charles Woodson played 81 of 82 snaps. Hayden was the only player on the entire defense who was listed as coming down with injuries and he still played throughout almost the entire contest. Neiko Thorpe came in to spell him, who had by far the best day in their secondary, holding our WRs to 4 receptions on 9 targets, with 2 PDs and an INT. He covered Aiken on 2 targets and allowed 2 receptions for 48 yards. I'm concerned as to where you're getting your information from considering that you're listing false injuries and aren't even aware of Aiken's raw totals against Cleveland despite vehemently arguing against him. How closely do you watch this sport?

[Cillmatic]

Well looking at Oakland inactives list just about all their starting corner backs and safeties played against The Ravens so no it wasn't their back up corners and safeties unless some of their starters went on i.r. I still think it was impressive for Aiken to play well last sunday especially with all the talk about him not being able to beat quality starting cornerbacks. Unless father time is just catching up to Tramon Williams then he's a quality starting cornerback and Aiken beat him quite few times.

Didn't most of Aikens yards in the Oakland play come from 1 play? I just don't like players that dissapear. According to Google he didn't record a single catch in the bengals game. Edited October 18, 2015 by Cillmatic

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Didn't most of Aikens yards in the Oakland play come from 1 play? I just don't like players that dissapear.

 

No. He amassed 5 receptions on for 89 yards on 7 targets with a long of 38.

[jazz1988]

Didn't most of Aikens yards in the Oakland play come from 1 play? I just don't like players that dissapear. According to Google he didn't record a single catch in the bengals game.

 

Don't remember honestly but he did have more than one catch in that game.

[PurpleCity5]

Except the fact that he actually had solid games against Pittsburgh and Oakland, averaging 5 catches for 83 yards across the two despite playing just over 70% of the snaps in those games. It would be more preferable if he wasn't the starting WR, and I'm sure that many others share the same opinion. But he at least deserves more credit than supposedly playing well for only one half of the last five games.

I don't see why Aiken get's the hate he gets. He's not a starting caliber WR yet but he really has pull through in some games for us. I think personally he's a good #3 WR and maybe he can truly become a starter, he's gotten better and better each year. I think we had our expectations a bit too high when we heard he was a starter, myself included. He really won that job because Perriman is sidelined with that ridiculously long knee sprain injury. 

Edited October 18, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Cillmatic]

No. He amassed 5 receptions on for 89 yards on 7 targets with a long of 38.

I forgot about the fumble

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I don't see why Aiken get's the hate he gets. He's not a starting caliber WR yet but he really has pull through in games for us. I think personally he's a good #3 WR and maybe he can truly become a starter, he's gotten better and better each year. I think we had our expectations a bit too high when we heard he was a starter, myself included. He really won that job because Perriman is sidelined with the ridiculously long knee sprain injury.

 

I feel that it's mostly been because he's a current starter and I assume that most fans expected him to have a smaller role coming into the season prior to the injury. I personally didn't expect Aiken to thrive in a starting role, and if he remains in such, I would expect at least some inconsistencies moving forward. But I do feel that he's earned the opportunity to compete for the No.3 spot in the future, provided that we do upgrade the position whether it's via Perriman coming back or otherwise. We've seen how disappointing some our options can be when on the field (i.e. Marlon Brown), so I do feel that Aiken should get some credit for not being wetting the bed thus far.

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I forgot about the fumble

 

Forgot or just looked up? T'was a costly play though obviously.

[PurpleCity5]

I feel that it's mostly been because he's a current starter and I assume that most fans expected him to have a smaller role coming into the season prior to the injury. I personally didn't expect Aiken to thrive in a starting role, and if he remains in such, I would expect at least some inconsistencies moving forward. But I do feel that he's earned the opportunity to compete for the No.3 spot in the future, provided that we do upgrade the position whether it's via Perriman coming back or otherwise. We've seen how disappointing some our options can be when on the field (i.e. Marlon Brown), so I do feel that Aiken should get some credit for not being wetting the bed thus far.

Yeah, I'm happy at least he's made plays there. I feel that he's different that Marlon. He doesn't shy away from contact and is actually a guy who makes big plays. 

[Cillmatic]

Forgot or just looked up? T'was a costly play though obviously.

Forgot. That play was REALLY bad.

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Forgot. That play was REALLY bad.

 

Ugly indeed.

[flynismo]

No I didn't but nice try bro!  Lol! 

 

I just chose to address the first paragraph cause like I said, you cats tickle me with that stuff!  However, in my post I bring out the "roster," "personnel" and the difference in the "caliber" of players on that 08' squad that supercedes this present one being the said reason they (08' squad) were able to make that type of run to the playoffs etc.

 

...which is exactly what the second paragraph was about. Not sure why you are so tickled about us saying the same thing

[Militant X 1]

...which is exactly what the second paragraph was about. Not sure why you are so tickled about us saying the same thing

 

We're not saying the same thing.  lol!

 

Your second paragraph had no mention of the caliber of "players" or the "personnel" that was on that 08' squad whatsover.  Go back and look at it.  You merely spoke of that 08' teams "philosphy" or "formula" or "recipe" for success and then you gave a list of things addressing said "formula" etc. 

 

That 08' squad...unlike this present team...was able to make a run to the AFCCG because of the caliber of "players" (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Todd Heap, Derick Mason etc.) that was on the roster.  This team don't have those types of players on it so to me; it is foolish and futile to bring up that 08' team in hopes that this present team can do similiar things.  They can't cause the personnel is not the same!  That was my point bro!

[flynismo]

We're not saying the same thing.  lol!

 

Your second paragraph had no mention of the caliber of "players" or the "personnel" that was on that 08' squad whatsover.  Go back and look at it.  You merely spoke of that 08' teams "philosphy" or "formula" or "recipe" for success and then you gave a list of things addressing said "formula" etc. 

 

That 08' squad...unlike this present team...was able to make a run to the AFCCG because of the caliber of "players" (i.e. Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Todd Heap, Derick Mason etc.) that was on the roster.  This team don't have those types of players on it so to me; it is foolish and futile to bring up that 08' team in hopes that this present team can do similiar things.  They can't cause the personnel is not the same!  That was my point bro!

 

 

Word for word, I said:

 

That being said, I agree with you this time around. Back then, our formula was great defense, control the clock with the run game, and just make a couple splash plays here and there on offense. That is a time honored recipe for success that has no expiration date. This team....well, we can't even beat the Browns at home, in a game we dropped 30 pts on them no less...

 

"Back then" we played great defense, "This team" doesn't, and cant even beat the Browns at home. I think we can all fill in the blanks there that we dont have Ray and Ed, or Rex Ryan, to save our bacon anymore. Clearly we dont have the same talent, and most would agree we don't have the right DC for the job (even if some of the reasoning is errorneous at best)

[Militant X 1]

Word for word, I said:

 

That being said, I agree with you this time around. Back then, our formula was great defense, control the clock with the run game, and just make a couple splash plays here and there on offense. That is a time honored recipe for success that has no expiration date. This team....well, we can't even beat the Browns at home, in a game we dropped 30 pts on them no less...

 

"Back then" we played great defense, "This team" doesn't, and cant even beat the Browns at home. I think we can all fill in the blanks there that we dont have Ray and Ed, or Rex Ryan, to save our bacon anymore. Clearly we dont have the same talent, and most would agree we don't have the right DC for the job (even if some of the reasoning is errorneous at best)

 

There is no "filling in the blanks" there man!  I spoke in specifics and you in generalities.  That's my point!  They are 2 different things!  But it's all good man!  We see things differently and that's kool!  Now on to the Cardinals threads.