The good,bad and ugly vent Browns at Ravens.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Finally someone else uses the word realistic

This is basically where i stand. A lot of people wanted to say its over after the Oakland game, then the cinci game and i was right there saying we are still in this race. The Bengals are an extremely talented team and i expected to lose to them anyways, regaurdless of how are season was going, im actually shocked it was that close. Then the Browns game- at home in a absolute must win, and we absolutely blew it on defense. Now you can sit there and say if it wasnt for one of the luckiest catches of all time, we win that game, but we didnt. If we cant beat the browns at home in a must win situation, with all the injuries added in, i have almost zero confidence we can go on a winning streak like one is needed. But if we did...it would just keep our "never quit stimga" alive

Now since the AFC is extremely weak, we might be able to hang in there, but dont kid yourself, we are not beating denver or NE in their house this year, Joe can only do so much, he cant rush the qb and play corner. I still want us to win many games as a possible, and will watch every game, because you have to stick by your team through the bad times to appreciate the good times.

Agreed 100 percent.

We are spoiled here. Since the Harbaugh and Flacco era started. .

2008- 11-5 regular season, made it to the AFC Championship, knocking off the top seeded Titans on the road in the process.

2009- 9-7 regular season, wildcard spot.

Went into New England and TRASHED them in the WV game.

2010- 12-4 regular season, wildcard spot. Dismantled KC on the road in the WV game.

2011- 12-4 Division Champs, beat Houston in the Divisional round, and for all intents and purposes should have beaten the Patriots en route to the Super Bowl

2012- 10-6 Regular season, Division Champs, Trashed Indy at home, Stunned the Broncos on the road, and thoroughly beat up on the Patriots in Foxboro en route to being Super Bowl Champions..

2013- Even during the worst season to that point, the Ravens finished 8-8 and had a shot at the Wildcard spot if they could have found a way to beat the Bengals in week 17.

2014- 10-6, wildcard. Even with a diminished secondary, the Ravens finished with a respectable record and EMBARRASSED the Steelers at Heinz and but couldn't overcome the lack of talented DB's in a close loss to New England.

We've had plenty to cheer for every season. I am comfortable saying it's just not our year, because I know that the organization will have the team in a position to not only compete, but make another championship run next year..and I believe fully that we can.

Edited October 15, 2015 by JEEPercreepermd

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Agreed 100 percent.

We are spoiled here. Since the Harbaugh and Flacco era started. .

2008- 11-5 regular season, made it to the AFC Championship, knocking off the top seeded Titans on the road in the process.

2009- 9-7 regular season, wildcard spot.

Went into New England and TRASHED them in the WV game.

2010- 12-4 regular season, wildcard spot. Dismantled KC on the road in the WV game.

2011- 12-4 Division Champs, beat Houston in the Divisional round, and for all intents and purposes should have beaten the Patriots en route to the Super Bowl

2012- 10-6 Regular season, Division Champs, Trashed Indy at home, Stunned the Broncos on the road, and thoroughly beat up on the Patriots in Foxboro en route to being Super Bowl Champions..

2013- Even during the worst season to that point, the Ravens finished 8-8 and had a shot at the Wildcard spot if they could have found a way to beat the Bengals in week 17.

2014- 10-6, wildcard. Even with a diminished secondary, the Ravens finished with a respectable record and EMBARRASSED the Steelers at Heinz and but couldn't overcome the lack of talented DB's in a close loss to New England.

We've had plenty to cheer for every season. I am comfortable saying it's just not our year, because I know that the organization will have the team in a position to not only compete, but make another championship run next year..and I believe fully that we can.

Agreed with this, but still feel like a 9-7 or 10-6 season is feasible. We've only lossed 3-4 games this 'early' season that we've won in other seasons. It wasn't so much game play, coaching or anything in particular really. Just a 'flip-of-the-coin' karma, breaks, luck or whatever happens in close games that defies explanation. It is what it is. I'm not being an apologist, but like you mentioned in your analysis...adding alittle levity.

 

To me the bad thing is: We lost a home game wearing our all-black uniforms. That never happened before (I don't think). Bad Mojo.

 

Cubs and Mets, Trump, Dalton leads in QBR, etc.  What's next? Maybe we roll-out a string of wins and just get back on track. It's more probable than not with the remaining schedule. Just saying.

Edited October 15, 2015 by jkm5bmore

[darklight1216]

Agreed with this, but still feel like a 9-7 or 10-6 season is feasible. We've only lossed 3-4 games this 'early' season that we've won in other seasons. It wasn't so much game play, coaching or anything in particular really. Just a 'flip-of-the-coin' karma, breaks, luck or whatever happens in close games that defies explanation. It is what it is. I'm not being an apologist, but like you mentioned in your analysis...adding alittle levity.

 

To me the bad thing is: We lost a home game wearing our all-black uniforms. That never happened before (I don't think). Bad Mojo.

 

Cubs and Mets, Trump, Dalton leads in QBR, etc.  What's next? Maybe we roll-out a string of wins and just get back on track. It's more probable than not with the remaining schedule. Just saying.

I like your optimism, but I just can't see it. 

 

Even looking through my purple tinted glasses, it's hard to see them only losing 2-3 more games. They still have @ Ari, vs Seattle, @ Cincy, vs Browns (it feels gross putting them here), and vs Pitt. And that's without thinking about teams like SD or STL who, while not amazing, are clearly better than Baltimore is right now.

 

I mean if you can't beat the Browns when you desperately need to, you're probably not a very good team.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Well since the "season's over" you guys might as well turn off the TV and go about your merry way. No need in being upset every Sunday, right?

 

However, if you go to turn your TV back on during the playoffs and happen to notice the Ravens playing the dark horse roll as a wild card - just remember - you're not allowed to root or celebrate for them because you revoked your fan card in week 5 of the regular season. Wah, wah, wah....

 

No worries though, after the playoffs are over you can always reapply for a new seat on the bandwagon. Hell you might even be able to get a window view the way everyone is jumping ship.

 

 

cheerios fairweather fans

lol that was funny. I appreciate your attitude.

 

Some people just can't admit we suck. I'm not saying the season's over, but realisticly it is. This team has shown nothing and there's too many injuries. I can't root for anymore wins, as it will only get us a worse pick in the draft. We should be 0-5, and that was against some very average teams. We're going to get blown out when we play better teams.

Edited October 16, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[usmccharles]

Theres a difference between a glass half full, glass half empty, or a broken glass on the floor.....just decide how you want to look at things.  Its funny, we can mostly figure out who is who on here....i had to had the third category for a select few

[JEEPercreepermd]

Well since the "season's over" you guys might as well turn off the TV and go about your merry way. No need in being upset every Sunday, right?

However, if you go to turn your TV back on during the playoffs and happen to notice the Ravens playing the dark horse roll as a wild card - just remember - you're not allowed to root or celebrate for them because you revoked your fan card in week 5 of the regular season. Wah, wah, wah....

No worries though, after the playoffs are over you can always reapply for a new seat on the bandwagon. Hell you might even be able to get a window view the way everyone is jumping ship.

cheerios fairweather fans

It has nothing to do with being a fair weather fan. It's called being realistic. If you look at my post, you will see that I said I'll never jump ship.

The fact is that this team hasn't proven that they can beat even an average team..maybe if the roster was even 80 percent healthy, we win 2 of those 4 games and we're still in it.

However, at 1-4 it is over no matter how much of a Homer you want to be.

Do I WANT them to go on a magical 9-1 run and be in the playoffs? Absolutely. It's not happening though.

[Guest]

Agreed with this, but still feel like a 9-7 or 10-6 season is feasible. We've only lossed 3-4 games this 'early' season that we've won in other seasons. It wasn't so much game play, coaching or anything in particular really. Just a 'flip-of-the-coin' karma, breaks, luck or whatever happens in close games that defies explanation. It is what it is. I'm not being an apologist, but like you mentioned in your analysis...adding alittle levity.

 

To me the bad thing is: We lost a home game wearing our all-black uniforms. That never happened before (I don't think). Bad Mojo.

 

Cubs and Mets, Trump, Dalton leads in QBR, etc.  What's next? Maybe we roll-out a string of wins and just get back on track. It's more probable than not with the remaining schedule. Just saying.

 

Two must have home games.

 

Where the defense collapsed, especially in the secondary.

 

We don't have the horses.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I like your optimism, but I just can't see it. 

 

Even looking through my purple tinted glasses, it's hard to see them only losing 2-3 more games. They still have @ Ari, vs Seattle, @ Cincy, vs Browns (it feels gross putting them here), and vs Pitt. And that's without thinking about teams like SD or STL who, while not amazing, are clearly better than Baltimore is right now.

 

I mean if you can't beat the Browns when you desperately need to, you're probably not a very good team.

No shades allowed. As pathetic as we've looked (especially late in games), we're not as bad as some may think.

• We currently have better team rankings in Run Defense than 6 teams left on our schedule (Pitt, Browns, Chargers, Bengals, 49ers, Rams),
• Better overall offense (passing/rushing offense) than 4 teams left on the schedule
• Bengals are ranked 4th in offense, but  only 21st in defense and are undefeated (sustainable?)

Just saying this to point out that there's so much parity in the league currently (especially within our remaining schedule) that it's possible for any team to go 8-3 or 9-2 from here. More than any teams we have left to play - we are a more balanced team offensively and defensively (not dominate - just balanced). We are currently 'fair' to 'slightly above average' overall, but so is everybody else left on the schedule (except - Arizona).

 

We have to find a way to tighten-up our pass defense more, eliminate the untimely penalties and focus on what we do best offensively. Just saying...it's somewhat unlikely, but at the same time considerably possible (like every other team in the league).

[izvoodoo]

Agreed 100 percent.

We are spoiled here. Since the Harbaugh and Flacco era started. .

2008- 11-5 regular season, made it to the AFC Championship, knocking off the top seeded Titans on the road in the process.

2009- 9-7 regular season, wildcard spot.

Went into New England and TRASHED them in the WV game.

2010- 12-4 regular season, wildcard spot. Dismantled KC on the road in the WV game.

2011- 12-4 Division Champs, beat Houston in the Divisional round, and for all intents and purposes should have beaten the Patriots en route to the Super Bowl

2012- 10-6 Regular season, Division Champs, Trashed Indy at home, Stunned the Broncos on the road, and thoroughly beat up on the Patriots in Foxboro en route to being Super Bowl Champions..

2013- Even during the worst season to that point, the Ravens finished 8-8 and had a shot at the Wildcard spot if they could have found a way to beat the Bengals in week 17.

2014- 10-6, wildcard. Even with a diminished secondary, the Ravens finished with a respectable record and EMBARRASSED the Steelers at Heinz and but couldn't overcome the lack of talented DB's in a close loss to New England.

We've had plenty to cheer for every season. I am comfortable saying it's just not our year, because I know that the organization will have the team in a position to not only compete, but make another championship run next year..and I believe fully that we can.

We're kind of where Atlanta was.  Couple OK drafts, some bad injuries and all of the sudden you're in the basement.  Could be a 2 year turn around, but I don't think we're where Jacksonville or Oakland were where we need to rebuild our organization.  

[Militant X 1]

We said a lot of these same things back in 2008, when we won 9 of our last 11 games, en route to the AFCCG. We said no way we make the playoffs, and even if we somehow did, we'd get bounced in the wild card round. We were also battling insane amount of injuries that year; I think we had 18 guys on the IR heading into the playoffs.

 

That being said, I agree with you this time around. Back then, our formula was great defense, control the clock with the run game, and just make a couple splash plays here and there on offense. That is a time honored recipe for success that has no expiration date. This team....well, we can't even beat the Browns at home, in a game we dropped 30 pts on them no less...

 

You cats tickle me with this stuff Fly.  Lol!

 

Anddddd...what was "that" roster of players like compared to "this" present roster of players?

[berad]

You cats tickle me with this stuff Fly.  Lol!

 

Anddddd...what was "that" roster of players like compared to "this" present roster of players?

 

Flacco, LeRon, Jameel, Leonhard, Ayanbadejo, Grubbs, etc were "JAGs" until they came out and proved themselves. We've got players who can do the same - keep the faith, Mili!

[Militant X 1]

Flacco, LeRon, Jameel, Leonhard, Ayanbadejo, Grubbs, etc were "JAGs" until they came out and proved themselves. We've got players who can do the same - keep the faith, Mili!

 

I hear you B. Lol!

 

But, I noticed that you left off other "significant" names on that 08' roster like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Bart Scott, Jarret Johnson, Derick Mason and Todd Heap to name a few.  My point being..that the caliber of players on this present roster is nothing like that 08' roster.  So, there is no comparison from that standpoint imo.

[berad]

I hear you B. Lol!

 

But, I noticed that you left off other "significant" names on that 08' roster like Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Haloti Ngata, Bart Scott, Jarret Johnson, Derick Mason and Todd Heap to name a few.  My point being..that the caliber of players on this present roster is nothing like that 08' roster.  So, there is no comparison from that standpoint imo.

 

True - I left them off because they were already established but that's your point - a lot of good, established players are on the sidelines.

[Militant X 1]

True - I left them off because they were already established but that's your point - a lot of good, established players are on the sidelines.

 

I'll give you that B.  But, I'm speaking in general terms again.  This present roster imo lacks players of the caliber of that 08 squad that could pull off that type of run.  I really don't see that happening with this roster sitting at 1-4.  I just want to see them pull off their 2nd win before even thinking about them making a huge run to the playoffs etc.

Edited October 16, 2015 by Militant X 1

[jimmypowder]

Well I can tell you that we are a lot slower than the Browns and just about any other team. 

 

We have zero speed and this is the main reason we are garbage this year. 

 

Where did Ozzie and crew think the speed was coming from? A Jimmy Smith coming back from injury? A Webb with 

two acl's on the books?

Torrey-hes gone, Perriman has it but got injured the first day of training camp and what did we do to get some speed? Ed Reed speed at Safety?Nope. And Ed wasn't that fast. 

Yeah,nothing!.  

 

Our tight ends?Gronk and Vernon Davis speed they ain't .Marlon or Aiken -nope They are possession guys. 

 

Forsett? He doesnt have Leveon Bell speed,not even close. 

 

Smith Sr, Suggs and Doom. They all had elite speed at their positions at  one time. No more. 

 

So where exactly did the Front Office think our team speed was gonna come from? 

 

Oh Mosley will never be a Ray Lewis. I just don't see the speed from him-he cant even cover slow tight ends that well. 

 

We had better start restocking or expect more of this season for years.

Edited October 16, 2015 by jimmypowder

[-Truth-]

Nitpicking here. I love Le'Veon Bell, he's arguably the most versatile RB in the league and he's made some of the biggest strides in improving agility that I may have personally seen. That being said, I'm not sure that he should be as the yard stick for RBs with flat-out lightning speed.

[52520Andrew]

Nitpicking here. I love Le'Veon Bell, he's arguably the most versatile RB in the league and he's made some of the biggest strides in improving agility that I may have personally seen. That being said, I'm not sure that he should be as the yard stick for RBs with flat-out lightning speed.

 

Yeah feel like Charles is the guy in that regard, maybe CJ2k but I don't know how his speed has held up over the years.

[-Truth-]

Yeah feel like Charles is the guy in that regard, maybe CJ2k but I don't know how his speed has held up over the years.

 

He'd be right up there if we're talking about featured backs. I personally feel that the Combine shouldn't seen as the be-all and end-all of top end speed and it should be noted that Bell has slimmed down considerably since his rookie season. But he ran a 4.60 while weighing in at 230 lbs in Indianapolis. He was around 225 last year by his own admission and is reportedly closer to 220 this season. He looks like more of a 4.5 or a sub-4.5 player on tape, which is more than solid. But he's not in the highest echelon of burners at his position. I don't know if he's as immeasurably faster than Forsett as stated above.

[flynismo]

You cats tickle me with this stuff Fly.  Lol!

 

Anddddd...what was "that" roster of players like compared to "this" present roster of players?

 

I guess you missed the entire second paragraph?

[Militant X 1]

I guess you missed the entire second paragraph?

 

No I didn't but nice try bro!  Lol! 

 

I just chose to address the first paragraph cause like I said, you cats tickle me with that stuff!  However, in my post I bring out the "roster," "personnel" and the difference in the "caliber" of players on that 08' squad that supercedes this present one being the said reason they (08' squad) were able to make that type of run to the playoffs etc.

[52520Andrew]

Interesting fact:

 

Going into this week the Ravens O-line was ranked 29th in the NFL by PFF, certainly had their struggles this week as well and that accounts with Yanda being ranked the top OG in the NFL for the season. Looks like Kubiak was indeed the difference for our line last year.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/10/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-5/

Edited October 17, 2015 by 52520Andrew

[Guest]

Interesting fact:

 

Going into this week the Ravens O-line was ranked 29th in the NFL by PFF, certainly had their struggles this week as well and that accounts with Yanda being ranked the top OG in the NFL for the season. Looks like Kubiak was indeed the difference for our line last year.

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/10/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-5/

With PFF nothing is a "Fact". It is a "Guide"

With 181 yards rushing vs the Browns and 190 something rushing vs the Steelers, I believe they have it wrong. Which is not unusual for them.

We will struggle some vs the Niners because Buck Allen is not as shifty, but I think we'll get over 100 yards on the ground.

[52520Andrew]

With PFF nothing is a "Fact". It is a "Guide"

With 181 yards rushing vs the Browns and 190 something rushing vs the Steelers, I believe they have it wrong. Which is not unusual for them.

We will struggle some vs the Niners because Buck Allen is not as shifty, but I think we'll get over 100 yards on the ground.

 

They primarily have it on the pass protection and the performance of Hurst and Wagner, you trying to say those guys were good? And before Pittsburgh and Cleveland(who ranks last in run defense by the way), our run game has struggled quite a bit. Forsett got 13 yards against the Bengals, 68 against the Raiders fearsome run defense, and 43 against Denver. The switch back to the "soft" zone running scheme we have used for the past 2 weeks has primarily been what has helped.

[-Truth-]

With PFF nothing is a "Fact". It is a "Guide"

With 181 yards rushing vs the Browns and 190 something rushing vs the Steelers, I believe they have it wrong. Which is not unusual for them.

We will struggle some vs the Niners because Buck Allen is not as shifty, but I think we'll get over 100 yards on the ground.

 

We're the 2nd highest graded team in terms of run blocking so they did not have it wrong. Our pass blocking in near the bottom of the league, though James Hurst accounts for most of the negative grade.

[ravensnick]

We're the 2nd highest graded team in terms of run blocking so they did not have it wrong. Our pass blocking in near the bottom of the league, though James Hurst accounts for most of the negative grade.

That's not particularly surprising 

[Guest]

We're the 2nd highest graded team in terms of run blocking so they did not have it wrong. Our pass blocking in near the bottom of the league, though James Hurst accounts for most of the negative grade.

Hmmmmmm

The cite says we are 21st vs the run post week 5. If we are up to 2nd already on PFF run numbers after week 6, I rest my case.

[-Truth-]

That's not particularly surprising 

 

Sad yet very true.

[-Truth-]

Hmmmmmm

The cite says we are 21st vs the run post week 5. If we are up to 2nd already on PFF run numbers after week 6, I rest my case.

 

By their standards, we earned by far our best run blocking grade last week. Took a sizable uptick this week with Eugene Monroe returning to look spry in the running game and James Hurst sitting on the bench. Also Ricky Wagner had arguably his best game of the season and the rest of the group played up to their expectations. We received positive marks against Oakland and Pittsburgh in that department as well. The negative ones came against Denver and Cincinnati, which shouldn't come as a shock for anyone who watched those two games.

[PurpleCity5]

I've decided to watch some clips of the Ravens-Browns game since I didn't do  that during the week. This is what I saw. 

 

-Kamar Aiken was taking Tramon William's lunch. He was beating him again and again, making plays on the field. Even though he was shut out in the 2nd half, I was really impressed at what he was able to do against a #2 CB like Tramon Williams. It wasn't until Cleveland figured out our best WR is far and away Kamar Aiken that they began to key in on him and match Haden on him more. He even came away with some good blocks. I felt like he didn't have much of a chance against Haden, but he was going on Tramon Williams quiet honestly. 

 

-I feel like our Offensive Line is truly back. Eugene Monroe looked determined as ever and I loved what I saw from him. 

 

-I don't want to come off as rude or anything but aside from Aiken, these WRs are awful. I mean no one gets open at all. No separation what so ever. 

 

-We really need a FS, Kendrick Lewis allowed some big plays that shouldn't have happened and Will Hill didn't really have his best performance in terms of coverage. We're desperately lacking a FS with range. 

[jazz1988]

I've decided to watch some clips of the Ravens-Browns game since I didn't do  that during the week. This is what I saw. 

 

-Kamar Aiken was taking Tramon William's lunch. He was beating him again and again, making plays on the field. Even though he was shut out in the 2nd half, I was really impressed at what he was able to do against a #2 CB like Tramon Williams. It wasn't until Cleveland figured out our best WR is far and away Kamar Aiken that they began to key in on him and match Haden on him more. He even came away with some good blocks. I felt like he didn't have much of a chance against Haden, but he was going on Tramon Williams quiet honestly. 

 

-I feel like our Offensive Line is truly back. Eugene Monroe looked determined as ever and I loved what I saw from him. 

 

-I don't want to come off as rude or anything but aside from Aiken, these WRs are awful. I mean no one gets open at all. No separation what so ever. 

 

-We really need a FS, Kendrick Lewis allowed some big plays that shouldn't have happened and Will Hill didn't really have his best performance in terms of coverage. We're desperately lacking a FS with range. 

 

Aiken really did his thing against The Browns. He really showed why he is clearly the number 2 receiver but i'm disappointed in Marlon Brown.Hopefully Brown can get it together  but the other receivers like Ross and Givens are basically still new so maybe with time they will improve.