The good,bad and ugly vent Browns at Ravens.

[Tank 92]

Mosley is one of our best and most consistent defenders. Most inside backers will struggle covering out on the flat.  In one instance he had Duke Johnson who ran a flat route, forcing Mosley to run across the whole formation. I think a lot can be blamed on the scheme and play call.  Having our OLB's cover is an absolute joke though, what good does Pees think it does by having a rookie 4th rounder and Upshaw try to cover running backs and receivers.  At one point Pees had Upshaw on Andrew Hawkins in the slot.

 

Harbaugh said it best yesterday in the press conference.  "the coaches have to put these players in positions to be successful".  Pees has not done that for quite some time now and it is time to make a change and then we can start to blame some players if it continues

 

 

An NFL ILB has to be able to cover the TE. Mosely is still developing and will surely come around. His failure yesterday is on him and not the scheme. 

[Elevatorman]

We score some points then rely on the defense to save the day, but that's not going to happen anymore. We need to score points and points and points just like New England that's the way to win.

[Ravens2343]

An NFL ILB has to be able to cover the TE. Mosely is still developing and will surely come around. His failure yesterday is on him and not the scheme. 

 

I agree they have to be able to cover the tight end, but a lot of his failures yesterday came when he was tasked with covering Johnson or Crowell out of the backfield.  Nonetheless you are right that it was on him a lot yesterday and he will surely come around since he Is still very young, but my point is this.  If this keeps continuing with this defense, then Pees should go before we starting purging our roster. 

[Purple Punishment]

Marlon Brown was the #2 receiver and had 1 catch for 0 yards. Chris Givens had 0 catches. Jeremy Ross was signed from the PS. Darren Waller got hurt.

Seriously think about the product the Ravens put out on offense yesterday.

Givens was wide open on a few plays but Flacco did not go through his progessions. He allowed himself to keep his eyes on the right side of the field

[52Strong]

It wouldn't hurt to bring in a 3rd safety from time to time to help out covering, especially when its 3rd down and long like we had them in quite a few times yesterday.  There is no easy fix to our defensive problems, but we need to find ways to eliminate putting our OLB's in coverage.  Mosley and Smith have been good coverage linebackers for us, but Smith has seem to lost a little bit this year.  Maybe give Orr and Brown some reps to help rest Mosley and Smith.  Mosley plays every snap every week and then at the end of the game he is tasked with covering Duke Johnson.  I wish I had all the answers but Pees needs to find a way to adjust, I didn't think losing Suggs would derail our season but it certainly has played a big part.

We brought in a 3rd saftey or extra DB almost every 3rd down yesterday. Arrington and Brooks wiffed on Duke Johnson too.

 

Mosley and Smith are ILB's, they primarly are responsible for coverage and run support. Mosley has to be able to cover TE's and RBs.  He had a bad game, it is what it is. He was part of the problem but I dont think hes a long term problem.

[Drew P]

If the season ended today, we would have the 7th pick. We need to get more losses!!! We need that number 1 spot lol

 

In lies the problem...bad early round draft picks.

[HoldingCall]

We already tried that method and we fell short every year. So you are content to just be in the playoffs and never in the SB? Because that is what ignoring the offense will do for you. Not to mention, this isn't your Dad's NFL anymore. It's built for offense's to be successful.

Never in the SB? Maybe you didn't have your coffee yet when you typed that, lol. They won in 2012 using that approach. I'm just throwing it out there that this is the first year the Ravens drafted it's first two picks on offense and is the first year they've started 1-4. I'm only stating the facts whether its a reason or not. I'm sure if they were 4-0 some would have pointed this out and it wouldn't have made anymore sense than me pointing this out at 1-4.

 

You cannot deny the fact there is a thread devoted to trading for a WR. So, I am simply stating that maybe that should be the route the team takes and stick to drafting top defensive players which they've shown more success at doing.

 

Did it cross the thoughts that there is a reason Perriman was still available and perhaps he wasn't a steal? Did other teams know his weakness (knees) and we ignored it?

[HoldingCall]

Stop. The defense gave up 14 4th quarter points. 14. The offense gave them the lead by 2 scores the entire game. If you can't hold your water whether the offense scores another point or not in that scenario, it's the defense. Period.

I'm simply stating other facts again. The yes the offense did score and gain the lead. But...then the offense hit a dry spell and didn't score again until the lead had evaporated. Then came the 3 and out in overtime, again left it to the defense, that failed.

 

Either side could have won the game. Did defense stink? Yes! Yes! Yes! Did offense stall when it had a chance to shut the Browns down? Yes! It's just easier to see the more visible cause of the defense, including the silly penalties.

[flynismo]

I'm simply stating other facts again. The yes the offense did score and gain the lead. But...then the offense hit a dry spell and didn't score again until the lead had evaporated. Then came the 3 and out in overtime, again left it to the defense, that failed.

 

Either side could have won the game. Did defense stink? Yes! Yes! Yes! Did offense stall when it had a chance to shut the Browns down? Yes! It's just easier to see the more visible cause of the defense, including the silly penalties.

 

 

The offense put up 30 points. Bottom line. If 30 points is enough to beat GB or Cincy, it is enough to beat a Josh McCown led Browns team, at home no less.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

500 yards given up to the Browns at home.... yes it's definately the Ds fault.

[HoldingCall]

Marlon Brown was the #2 receiver and had 1 catch for 0 yards. Chris Givens had 0 catches. Jeremy Ross was signed from the PS. Darren Waller got hurt.

Seriously think about the product the Ravens put out on offense yesterday.

Those you've stated are all very valid. The offense did a good job considering. However, we cannot use that to put all blame on the defense. Simply, as always, this was a team loss. 

 

The defense faired well early while limiting the Browns to 3 field goals. Silly penalties and that freak TD was the beginning of the end. But still there was an opportunity to seal the win had the Ravens scored a TD near the end. Instead they settled for a field goal to tie and go to OT. Then the OT 3 and out after getting the ball first. I get it, but I am looking at the whole picture.

[OldToby]

Forums are poppin haha, just playing. Honestly been looking at the ravens coaching roster to see who could replace the DC position. How does everyone feel about Don Martindale(LB Coach)? We might just go with someone out of the orginization. I wouldn't be surprised if we waited till the offseason for options.

Edited October 12, 2015 by OldToby

[HoldingCall]

The offense put up 30 points. Bottom line. If 30 points is enough to beat GB or Cincy, it is enough to beat a Josh McCown led Browns team, at home no less.

I get it and am not denying what you state is true. But that's like me saying that if the offense doesn't stall and settle for the field goal for a tie at the end, we win; or stall for a 3 and out in OT chances are better that we win. Really, I get the defensive problems, but just not pointing solely at one side of the ball. The defense have big problems, yes but they are not the only ones.

[ratedr]

457 yards to Josh McCown.

 

That's a Brown franchise record. To Josh McCown. In Baltimore.

 

457.

 

McCown.

 

In BALTIMORE.

 

"BUT IF THE OFFENSE JUST..."

 

Come on. Seriously. Come on.

[Cillmatic]

Good news is there should be plenty of room on the bandwagon now that everyone is jumping off. Let's separate the real fans from the fake.

When we turn the season around and go on a run there wont be any refunds on your fan cards.

If we would have won in OT the story line would have been about us being playoff bound yada yada. Instead, we lose by 3 points and now our fans want us to tank the season for draft picks. Weak.

This blind optimism is a conundrum too me. Why do you think we'll turn around? Also, being forced into OT against The Browns at home wouldn't scream "us being playoff bound yada yada" IMO.

[-Truth-]

Too much hindsight here that accomplishes nothing for anybody. Always convenient to say "you should have drafted this guy" AFTER you've seen what that guy could do.

As for the contracts, again in hindsight, some of them didn't work out. Rice's contract was never realistically that bad, as much like Ngata's deal, I didn't hear barely any fans saying it was bad in 2011 and 2012 when his cap number was low enough that we were able to assemble legitimate SB contending and eventually SB winning teams.

Can we say for certainty that we win the SB in 2012 if those contracts are different or those players aren't even here? Nope, we can't. Without knowing that Rice would knock out his wife, we have no idea how things play out. What I do know is no realistic fan would trade the 2012 season so we could not be 1-4 in 2015.

 

Not to mention that Alec Ogletree has had a somewhat disappointing career thus far and would've been our 3rd best ILB at this point. I think it's interesting to look back and wonder who else could've been realistically had, especially if we had strong opinions about the prospects discussed prior to the Draft, but I've never understood the point of being genuinely disappointed or upset with the FO for not trading up for players in restrospect because you could never know which teams, if any, were willing to trade down in the draft range of the prospect or whether they'd be interested in the trading pieces we had to offer. I'll cue the following for those who get the reference.

 

[BSHU_Miami]

457 yards to Josh McCown.

That's a Brown franchise record. To Josh McCown. In Baltimore.

457.

McCown.

In BALTIMORE.

"BUT IF THE OFFENSE JUST..."

Come on. Seriously. Come on.

its sickening..... On top of that the Browns don't even have a threat at WR..... We gave up 457 yards to a freakin 36 year old Qb.... I really don't wanna hear crap about our offense who put up 30 with Flacco and a bunch of rookies and UDFA

[ratedr]

its sickening..... On top of that the Browns don't even have a threat at WR..... We gave up 457 yards to a freakin 36 year old Qb.... I really don't wanna hear crap about our offense who put up 30 with Flacco and a bunch of rookies and UDFA

Gary Barnidge schooled us.

 

WHO?

 

Exactly. 

[HoldingCall]

What I've learned watching this game

The Bad: 1. CJ Mosely, though having high football IQ lacks foot speed to match some TEs; 2. there is no QB pressure without Dumervil and Suggs unless the defense send a blitz; 3. The WRs failed to collectively fill the absence of SSS; 4. Trestman's play calls often lack timing; 5. Babin, perhaps showed the reason he was still available; 6. Pees is in trouble and more so without a dominate pass rush; 7. Webb is brittle; 8. More team injuries to starters; 9.Safety play is on-again, off-again; 9. The team appears to play each game to end with a close scores

 

The Good: 1. The run game continued its recovery; 2. Monroe returned and the QB protection was a little better (not much); 3. There were no turnovers on offense;  4. Jeremy Ross produced good returns.

[Drew P]

What I've learned watching this game

The Bad: 1. CJ Mosely, though having high football IQ lacks foot speed to match some TEs; 2. there is no QB pressure without Dumervil and Suggs unless the defense send a blitz; 3. The WRs failed to collectively fill the absence of SSS; 4. Trestman's play calls often lack timing; 5. Babin, perhaps showed the reason he was still available; 6. Pees is in trouble and more so without a dominate pass rush; 7. Webb is brittle; 8. More team injuries to starters; 9.Safety play is on-again, off-again; 9. The team appears to play each game to end with a close scores

 

The Good: 1. The run game continued its recovery; 2. Monroe returned and the QB protection was a little better (not much); 3. There were no turnovers on offense;  4. Jeremy Ross produced good returns.

 

The only game I was wanting more coverage instead of: base, base, blitz...they got burned by midgets and some Mcknown im not even sure if it was Josh or Luke but he was shredding those clowns.

[cursona pirate]

I am interested to see who was mice'd up for this week. I hope it was a defensive player. I am curious as to what they talk about on the sideline. 

[darklight1216]

I am interested to see who was mice'd up for this week. I hope it was a defensive player. I am curious as to what they talk about on the sideline.

That would be interesting. I think they miced a defensive player last week so they might switch up.

Regardless, Im betting there was a lot of silence during the second half.

This isnt really funny, but theres a good chance that whoevever it was might have left injured.

[berad]

The only game I was wanting more coverage instead of: base, base, blitz...they got burned by midgets and some Mcknown im not even sure if it was Josh or Luke but he was shredding those clowns.

 

LOL McUnknown. They shredded us. Blitzing wasn't really getting us anywhere, players got penetration but McCown was adept enough to step up and avoid it. Plus, we were bringing DBs which left the coverage more exposed.

[bMore Heathen]

I am interested to see who was mice'd up for this week. I hope it was a defensive player. I am curious as to what they talk about on the sideline.

Will Hill - "so, how's your cat?"

C.J. - "I don't have a cat."

Will Hill "oh, ok."

[Drew P]

LOL McUnknown. They shredded us. Blitzing wasn't really getting us anywhere, players got penetration but McCown was adept enough to step up and avoid it. Plus, we were bringing DBs which left the coverage more exposed.

 

A repeat from last years game against the great Brian Hoyer

[Static]

Will Hill - "so, how's your cat?"

C.J. - "I don't have a cat."

Will Hill "oh, ok."

More like

"How's your cat?"

"Which one?"

[HoldingCall]

The only game I was wanting more coverage instead of: base, base, blitz...they got burned by midgets and some Mcknown im not even sure if it was Josh or Luke but he was shredding those clowns.

I also left off perhaps the most important. The penalties on third down after stops that gave the Browns first downs and new life that led to points. One was an interception too. Eliminate that silliness and the QB doesn't throw for 350, not to mention 457.

[flynismo]

I get it and am not denying what you state is true. But that's like me saying that if the offense doesn't stall and settle for the field goal for a tie at the end, we win; or stall for a 3 and out in OT chances are better that we win. Really, I get the defensive problems, but just not pointing solely at one side of the ball. The defense have big problems, yes but they are not the only ones.

I understand what you were saying too, but here's the thing -- they (our offense) have no business putting up 30 points given the roster the fielded yesterday (all year really). They are playing far beyond what I would consider reasonable expectations; to criticise their performance yesterday is to miss the bigger picture.

Edited October 12, 2015 by flynismo

[JEEPercreepermd]

Chris givens didn't even touch the ball

Because he's been on the team for less than a week. He's a #4 wideout. Nothing more.

[ravefan52]

Will Davis out for year with torn ACL. When will this end?