The good,bad and ugly vent Browns at Ravens.

[ravensdfan]

I agree to a point! The defense have major problems and they stink most of the time, but the problems today didn't appear until the offense stopped putting up points. They were up 21-9 then came the lull until the Browns gained the lead. Cleveland did not score 13 unanswered points without the offense getting the ball.

 

Then there is the 3 and out in OT before the defense gets on the field. This loss is on both sides, and the Browns took the game the Ravens offered to them.

 

Maybe it's because we've been spoiled by past defenses but I am surprised that in this day of new offensive friendly NFL, that some are using points scored as a justification to blame it all on defense. The team lost!

Stop. The defense gave up 14 4th quarter points. 14. The offense gave them the lead by 2 scores the entire game. If you can't hold your water whether the offense scores another point or not in that scenario, it's the defense. Period.

[Tank 92]

I agree to a point! The defense have major problems and they stink most of the time, but the problems today didn't appear until the offense stopped putting up points. They were up 21-9 then came the lull until the Browns gained the lead. Cleveland did not score 13 unanswered points without the offense getting the ball.

 

Then there is the 3 and out in OT before the defense gets on the field. This loss is on both sides, and the Browns took the game the Ravens offered to them.

 

Maybe it's because we've been spoiled by past defenses but I am surprised that in this day of new offensive friendly NFL, that some are using points scored as a justification to blame it all on defense. The team lost!

Think you missed the point he made about "rookies and practice squad weapons". Pretty remarkable they did as well as they did with what they had. There's no question this loss is on the D.

[Bobby]

Offense gave the D the lead on MULTIPLE times in the 4th Quarter and like a broken record the D simply allows an average team to march down the field...D lost the game. Period. End of Discussion.

[Guest]

I agree that there is a "State of Mind" in the Raven's Front Office that is detrimental to the team.  It exists for a number of reasons.  One is that it's an Old View in a New Game.  Another is that conformity and discipline is more important than spirit and fire, which is not to say we couldn't have used a little veteran play discipline.  It is a mindset that is hyper sensitive to appearances and that is why we don't have leaders and veterans with minds of their own.  (Steve Smith excepted.)  We decided fiery leaders like that weren't a part of Raven's professionalism. It's why Ray Rice is not on the team to help and why we are eating more dead cap.

 

In the end, we made Josh McCown look like Tom Br*dy. They converted 63% of their 3rd downs. They had 25 first downs. And all this after we rushed for 189 yards.  The Raven's don't lose games running and stopping the run, which we also did.  The game has changed and the Raven's have not.

 

Worse yet, our defense has severely degraded. I can't watch this defense any longer. It's time for a change. Do we really want the current Front Office to make these decisions?

 

 

Yeah, way too much hindsight. He's also acting like Rice was some scrub.  

 

The Pitta contract was a joke. I still can't believe he got 32 million after that type of hip injury. I was thinking we'd get him for cheap, but nope. Pitta thinking he was still worth that much after that type of injury is pure arrogance. I felt that way when we re-signed him. I doubt any team would have paid anything close to that. 32 million was too much money for the risk.

 

I was always fine with Rice's contract. There's a level of arrogance that this organization shows with Rice handling that I can't stand. We're terrible with Rice still eating up cap, so why not have him back. They're sitting back like we're good, and have the luxery of picking and choosing over pr. We're not better with Rice off the team.

 

Rice is still a great option on 3rd down check downs. I don't care if he only gets 1 yard or 1 3rd down. At least it's something for all the money against the cap.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

This defensive unit is an embarrassment to the proud history of the team on that side of the ball. We could be 4-1 or even 5-0 if these so called 'pros' could do their job, and make a stop. How many times does this team need to fall trap to the same garbage? Heads must roll. This is an all time low in my fandom of this team, I am frankly disgusted by the apathy and inaccuracy of our performances. The season is probably over! In Week 5, the season is over. Absolutely pathetic. I am struggling to find the adjectives to describe how awful this team is - well, ones that won't result in a ban at least. 

[Ravens2343]

That's a very true statement. We haven't heard much of this on threads. Flacco doesn't roll out to run or buy more time for WR's to get open. He always seems to make a read or two and just throw it down to the ground or away at the sideline. There's nothing wrong with throwing it away but cmon give the play a shot. Guys like Luck, Brady and Wilson move around and try to make a play out of nothing. Flacco won't always do that.

 

At times he has been guilty of doing that, but I give him a pass yesterday considering who he had to throw to.  Aiken and Brown are not even top 3 type receivers.  Flacco avoided making the big mistake yesterday and moved the ball efficiently for almost the entire game.  Trestman's playcalling at times was mind boggling and put Flacco in tough spots.  This team overall is pathetic right now and Ill remain a fan of theirs no matter if they are 0-16 or 16-0, but changes need to be made and blame needs to be placed, but I am not going to put any of that on Flacco at this point

[Ravens2343]

This defensive unit is an embarrassment to the proud history of the team on that side of the ball. We could be 4-1 or even 5-0 if these so called 'pros' could do their job, and make a stop. How many times does this team need to fall trap to the same garbage? Heads must roll. This is an all time low in my fandom of this team, I am frankly disgusted by the apathy and inaccuracy of our performances. The season is probably over! In Week 5, the season is over. Absolutely pathetic. I am struggling to find the adjectives to describe how awful this team is - well, ones that won't result in a ban at least. 

 

I agree with this

[FreckleNate]

In my years as a Ravens fan it is a bizarre sight to have the defense letting me down. Good news is that for having 0 weapons on offense Flacco looks damn good.

[Tank 92]

I think thats the most idiotic comment ive seen in a while... Webb and upshaw have been having a hell of a season just let go our only edge setter right... lol... jernigan is a young play with dominating potential just get rid of him right... lol... jason babin has a chance to really get after the quarterback the only other play on our team that can is elvis just get rid of him right... lol... will hill, jimmy smith, brandon williams, lawrence guy, albert mcclellan, cj mosley(besides today), kyle arrington terrible player right?

Well, I didn't mean tomorrow! lol And I did say that we need to keep a core of players. Did you read the post? Idiotic is a bit strong, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Neither Webb or Upshaw fit into future plans. Webb played OK yesterday prior to going down, again. Nothing more needs to be said there. Upshaw is too slow for what we need him to do. If he stays it's because another team didn't pay him. Jernigan? Another guy that has often been injured and really isn't showing what was hoped of him. Davis is the man we will invest in.

Williams, Mosely, Davis, Hill, the Smiths,......some good players to build a D around. But it's painfully obvious major changes are needed. The sooner it happens, the sooner a strong unit that KNOWS HOW TO PLAY TOGETHER can be formed.

[Purple Punishment]

When you lose to the Browns at home, you can't look at any future game as a win honestly. We are very much in the running for the #1 pick.

If the season ended today, we would have the 7th pick. We need to get more losses!!! We need that number 1 spot lol

[ratedr]

If the season ended today, we would have the 7th pick. We need to get more losses!!! We need that number 1 spot lol

Detroit is determined to keep that pick away from us.

But we still have a chance to give JAX and STL wins, so I think we're in great shape. Lol.

[0_o]

Good news is there should be plenty of room on the bandwagon now that everyone is jumping off. Let's separate the real fans from the fake.

 

When we turn the season around and go on a run there wont be any refunds on your fan cards.

 

If we would have won in OT the story line would have been about us being playoff bound yada yada. Instead, we lose by 3 points and now our fans want us to tank the season for draft picks. Weak.

[ratedr]

Good news is there should be plenty of room on the bandwagon now that everyone is jumping off. Let's separate the real fans from the fake.

When we turn the season around and go on a run there wont be any refunds on your fan cards.

If we would have won in OT the story line would have been about us being playoff bound yada yada. Instead, we lose by 3 points and now our fans want us to tank the season for draft picks. Weak.

Understanding that the team as currently constructed is not very good doesn't make a person a "fake fan." It means we're not blind optimists.

[52N19]

the disparity in the openness of receivers is glaring. joe has a very small window and the opponents receivers are wide open and running free.

 

I knew we needed a touchdown on the 3rd and goal from the 5 on our last possession but who are you going to throw the ball to? this game was just like the san diego game last year at home. you knew if we didn't score a TD on the last possession that regardless of having the lead we were going to lose.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Good news is there should be plenty of room on the bandwagon now that everyone is jumping off. Let's separate the real fans from the fake.

 

When we turn the season around and go on a run there wont be any refunds on your fan cards.

 

If we would have won in OT the story line would have been about us being playoff bound yada yada. Instead, we lose by 3 points and now our fans want us to tank the season for draft picks. Weak.

if we had won I would have been hoping for atleast 8-8 .... we probably wont even get that and at this stage we are the laughing stock of the league Crap 500 yards put on our D  by the browns ...... Dean has to go

[3-4ravdef509]

In 5 games Waller has had a grand total of 6 targets...2 were Flacco patented dying quails. 1 was a concussion.

Aiken has had 27.....M. Brown of all people about 20.

This is so bad, I am beginning to think we need to shop Flacco. We can't afford anyone that can help us because Flacco broke the bank.

Lets bust this up and start afresh. The only problem with that is it took Ozzie over a decade to find a QB2 in Joe. Let Flacco go and we will be saddled with Bolers, past prime McNairs, Grebecs and the like. We won't get a QB3 under Oz's flawless guidance.

Omg, Flacco did not break the bank! Do you understand salary cap and how Flacco is being paid? When will people stop spewing this garbage about Flacco being the reason we can't afford good players? It's one thing to criticize Joe but don't make crap up that's not true.

[Ricky Raven]

Pees has to go!!! Please!!

He has said before, what he cares about is red zone and 3rd down %, a bend but don't break defense and I hate that! That is not Ravens football.  And they keep saying this over and over again this year "We're gonna keep everything in front of us and make the tackle"...like.. forget that!  We don't have Ray, Ed, Ngata or sizzle the guys who wanted to hunt. Now we have a young group in here and you're hurting them buy putting a soft mindset in them "bend but don't break, keep everything in front of us"  Pees sucks.

[Guest]

Well, I didn't mean tomorrow! lol And I did say that we need to keep a core of players. Did you read the post? Idiotic is a bit strong, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Neither Webb or Upshaw fit into future plans. Webb played OK yesterday prior to going down, again. Nothing more needs to be said there. Upshaw is too slow for what we need him to do. If he stays it's because another team didn't pay him. Jernigan? Another guy that has often been injured and really isn't showing what was hoped of him. Davis is the man we will invest in.

Williams, Mosely, Davis, Hill, the Smiths,......some good players to build a D around. But it's painfully obvious major changes are needed. The sooner it happens, the sooner a strong unit that KNOWS HOW TO PLAY TOGETHER can be formed.

Agree

 

We still need outspoken leaders, even with those guys as the core.

[Desert]

Let's not sugar coat it. Mosely is awful at covering. Why is this? Is it the play calling? Scheme? Or just him?

IMO he's way over rated, replays show him constantly out of position.

[StingerNLG]

I agree to a point! The defense have major problems and they stink most of the time, but the problems today didn't appear until the offense stopped putting up points. They were up 21-9 then came the lull until the Browns gained the lead. Cleveland did not score 13 unanswered points without the offense getting the ball.

Then there is the 3 and out in OT before the defense gets on the field. This loss is on both sides, and the Browns took the game the Ravens offered to them.

Maybe it's because we've been spoiled by past defenses but I am surprised that in this day of new offensive friendly NFL, that some are using points scored as a justification to blame it all on defense. The team lost!

Marlon Brown was the #2 receiver and had 1 catch for 0 yards. Chris Givens had 0 catches. Jeremy Ross was signed from the PS. Darren Waller got hurt.

Seriously think about the product the Ravens put out on offense yesterday.

[Tank 92]

Agree

 

We still need outspoken leaders, even with those guys as the core.

 

 

We don't necessarily need outspoken leaders, we need players that play with fire and passion. And you don't need to be flashy and outspoken to lead. 

 

Seems the offense has stepped up in the face of adversity.  Not sure what/who/how/what else is needed for the D to do the same.

[Static]

I would like a statement from Biscotti or Ozzie. Nothing Crazy , just that you agree that the shape of this team is unacceptable

[ratedr]

Marlon Brown was the #2 receiver and had 1 catch for 0 yards. Chris Givens had 0 catches. Jeremy Ross was signed from the PS. Darren Waller got hurt.

Seriously think about the product the Ravens put out on offense yesterday.

Agreed. The offense was decent considering who was playing. The defense has all the high draft investment, yet...

The offense could score 40, the defense would let up 41, and we'd still have fans saying "B-B-BUT IF THE OFFENSE..."

I mean, that's basically what happened after the Oakland game. Baltimore fans are conditioned to give the defense a pass, though I'm glad most have woken up. These ain't your mommy and daddy's Ravens.

[I AM LEGEND]

Mosley is what scares me the most about what's going on with the defense....maybe we overrated him alittle to early...

What's worst about this is..is my friends have been waiting 8 full long years for this moment again...and their taking full opportunity of this situation...not a minute goes by there's not one of my hating friends who teams always suck who aren't reminding me about the Ravens stinking this year. I spent half of my ride home from Maryland to CT arguing on the phone with a Dolphins fan about whose team is worse. Ugh.

Edited October 12, 2015 by I AM LEGEND

[Ravens2343]

IMO he's way over rated, replays show him constantly out of position.

 

Mosley is one of our best and most consistent defenders. Most inside backers will struggle covering out on the flat.  In one instance he had Duke Johnson who ran a flat route, forcing Mosley to run across the whole formation. I think a lot can be blamed on the scheme and play call.  Having our OLB's cover is an absolute joke though, what good does Pees think it does by having a rookie 4th rounder and Upshaw try to cover running backs and receivers.  At one point Pees had Upshaw on Andrew Hawkins in the slot.

 

Harbaugh said it best yesterday in the press conference.  "the coaches have to put these players in positions to be successful".  Pees has not done that for quite some time now and it is time to make a change and then we can start to blame some players if it continues

Edited October 12, 2015 by Ravens2343

[Elevatorman]

I agree that Pees should go. However, why do receivers on other team get so wide open and ours look like they have monkeys on their backs. That has to be coaching as well.

[ratedr]

Let's not call Mosley overrated. That's when this gets out of hand.

[52Strong]

Mosley is one of our best and most consistent defenders. Most inside backers will struggle covering out on the flat.  In one instance he had Duke Johnson who ran a flat route, forcing Mosley to run across the whole formation. I think a lot can be blamed on the scheme and play call.  Having our OLB's cover is an absolute joke though, what good does Pees think it does by having a rookie 4th rounder and Upshaw try to cover running backs and receivers.  At one point Pees had Upshaw on Andrew Hawkins in the slot.

So if LB's dont cover RB's and TE's then who does? More corners and safteys? Play everydown in the sub? Don't imagine will do all that well against the run if were in the sub all game.

[ravensfan520]

I don't know where to file this under... good bad or ugly. But there is a light at the end of tunnel. We have been playing with house money for quite some time. We are getting younger on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately the defense is the part that is looking bad. Our offense at times shows signs of life but at times shows it needs to grow. Not saying we need to blow it up but a down year would not be worst that could happen. We could retool through the draft and build for another run. With Sizzle out and undetermined on Doom we are hurting. If we can lock up our guards and restructure Flacco we will in good shape going forward. It sucks for Steve Smith but we can come back in the future stronger. Not saying we tank but if we land a top ten pick it may be what we need. A change in defense coaching would be a start. If Pagano is available and doesn't get a head coaching job I would start with him... but if not Brooks,Monachino or Martindale are good in house candidates. So i guess I'd we are going to keep this losing streak up we can at get our young guys the reps to build on for next year. We have a good core group just need to put it together.

Edited October 12, 2015 by ravensfan520

[Ravens2343]

So if LB's dont cover RB's and TE's then who does? More corners and safteys? Play everydown in the sub? Don't imagine will do all that well against the run if were in the sub all game.

 

It wouldn't hurt to bring in a 3rd safety from time to time to help out covering, especially when its 3rd down and long like we had them in quite a few times yesterday.  There is no easy fix to our defensive problems, but we need to find ways to eliminate putting our OLB's in coverage.  Mosley and Smith have been good coverage linebackers for us, but Smith has seem to lost a little bit this year.  Maybe give Orr and Brown some reps to help rest Mosley and Smith.  Mosley plays every snap every week and then at the end of the game he is tasked with covering Duke Johnson.  I wish I had all the answers but Pees needs to find a way to adjust, I didn't think losing Suggs would derail our season but it certainly has played a big part.