The good,bad and ugly vent Browns at Ravens.

[StingerNLG]

I don't think Flacco played bad at all. This guy is just as much the default scapegoat around here as Dean Pees, but Flacco actually does win us football games. He's had his bad games and he's made bad throws, but nobody is perfect and I've seen every QB have issues throwing the ball in some fashion. Joe may not be the greatest QB in the world, but I do like him and I do think he's a very talented QB we're lucky to have. I feel our inferiority complex resulting from years of having an absence at QB to be revolting. All we do around here is talk about Flacco's contract, but it's hard to argue that he's what's holding this team back financially. Rice, Pitta, Monroe, Webb, & other guys who haven't lived up to their deals are the ones who have hurt this team financially & competitively. 

 

Flacco had a good game. He wasn't bad out there and he's far from the reason we lost this game. In fact, I'd argue that he isn't the reason we lost any game this year. The only game I truly place at the onus of the offense was the first game, but outside of that, the offense has gotten better and actually improved. The defense has only gotten exponentially worse. 

 

The point is that the Ravens lost this game against the Browns because of the defense. There's no doubt. Is the offense good enough to carry the defense? Nope. Perhaps it's time we re-evaluate the identity of this team and determine if we should become more like the Patriots with a dominant offense but a not-so-dominant defense. Oh, and deflated footballs. Gotta have deflated footballs. 

 

 

I've come to feel bad for the guy.   Here's out there with LITERALLY practice squad receivers, and guys that wouldn't be on the field for any other good team.   And even Waller gets hurt.   You don't even have your starting TE who's only starting because your starting starting TE's career is more or less over.   All he's really got on the field to even help him out is Justin Forsett and even he got hurt.

 

AND YET........30 points with all that.   Including him fooling the Browns and his own team for a TD himself, one of 2.   30 freaking points.    And the defense lets Josh McCown throw for 457 yards on them!

 

AND YET we've got people here that have to scroll through the play by play to say ERMAGERD FLACCO SUCKS HE MISSED THAT ONE THROW!   HE MAKES SO MANY MISTAKERS!! GRRRRRRRRR!

 

It's amazing to me.    I feel bad for him.   He probably knows he got the team in position to win yet another game, the defense loses the game, and there will be a segment of the fanbase who will actually blame him and say he isn't any good.   Or a "chump" as we've seen here.

 

This city sometimes......... 

 

BTW:  49'ers lose again.  Torrey Smith, 2 catches for 42 yards.   9 catches for 185 yards and 1 TD FOR THE SEASON so far.    Hope that money was worth it Torrey.

Edited October 12, 2015 by StingerNLG

[camhas2go]

Hard to believe this team won a Superbowl not long ago. The fall has been fast and I personally believe that John Harbaugh has lost control of the team. Heads need to roll or else we won't see another shot at a Superbowl for 10 more years. Start on the defensive coaching staff. Don't waste anymore time because Suggs and Dumerville won't be around much longer. If JH doesn't act right now then Steve needs to consider a change there as well before we waste another season. Not likely we make the playoff this year so start the change now!!  

[ratedr]

I'm just glad the Chargers choked against KC's backups last year. Otherwise this would be the 3rd straight year with no playoffs.

[Maukey]

I've seen coordinators who have less talent to.han us completely my god thank you. There is no reason whatsoever that Mosley. A PRO BOWL ROOKIE should be in a position he can't succeed. Hell pees would've had the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history of Ray didn't call that audible. We have the talent. We just have bad direction. This guy is trash

Exactly!

[ratedr]

457 yards to McCown.

 

A Browns franchise record.

 

To McCown.

 

MCCOWN.

[cushrinada1986]

No way the anyone in that lockeroom or FO is happy about the production on the field at this point. If this keeps up there is going to be a ST Louis type blow out and replacement on both sides of the ball. They are going to probably flush most of the WRs after this season because:

1.) SSS may retire so he wont even be here to help lead the new group coming in

2.) Brown vanished again in the stats.

3.)Kamar Aiken made plays but was not consistent enough to pull out the win.

4.) the other guys besides that are still new and have no experience what so ever.

 

What we need at this point next year is veteran leadership that can lead an offense at WR. Can we please acknowledge we have a weakness at selecting a true #1 WR please? Even when Perrimens injury is healed, we will still need a full season and then some to even show that he has the potential to be a #1. We are better off signing proven talent then drafting it. We should use those picks to piece together our defense and start making decisions on some of our older starters like Canty and Web. If SSS does call it quits, I say we keep Camp and Waller and maybe even givens but we then go looking for actual starters that can contribute right now.

 

 

[FoxRox75]

It's time to tank. This game was the final nail in our coffin this season.

 

Defense's play in the second half was just unacceptable. Considering how depleted we were our offense was about as good as they could have been, but the defense didn't give us a chance. This was just a complete embarrassment - I never thought we'd lose to the Browns at home, but now our team took it to another level today. So disappointed - hopefully next year we'll be back in it.

[DomMcRaven]

Gotta say it's hard to watch other NFL games ,including Red Zone , when the Ravens are stinking up the joint .

I'm a huge Red Zone fan. If not for that, it would be VERY easy for me to lose my sanity. 

 

I'm seeing a lot of criticism of Flacco today, and even ESPN's made-up stat gives him a bad grade for today.  I don't really understand what more you want from him?  He played pretty well.  

 

He made some great audibles to big run plays and another for a deep connection with Aiken.  

 

He made a lot of tough throws.  Some of those throws were pinpoint accurate, threading the needle between defenders, especially one to Nick Boyle.  In the 2nd half our receivers were not getting open on almost any plays, so the pass rush was getting through because of the coverage.  There were some throws where Flacco had to roll across to one side of the field and the only open receiver was on the opposite side of the field, and he either didn't attempt the throw or essentially had to throw it away.  

 

What more do you ask of your QB?  I'm so sick of everybody expecting absolute 100% perfection on every play from Joe.  He's made a ton of plays this year, including this game, but the fact is he has to either swallow throws, throw it away, run for his life, or force things A LOT because he doesn't have a legit arsenal of weapons at his disposal.  This was the saddest arsenal of pass catching talent that was on the field in the NFL today, and it wasn't even close.  And yet we still made plays and scored 30 and had multiple late leads for the defense to squander.

 

Joe did more with less talent today than a lot of other QBs who won today, including Peyton, Dalton, Ryan, etc.  A defense is important.  Today was *ALL* about the defense.

I've come to feel bad for the guy.   Here's out there with LITERALLY practice squad receivers, and guys that wouldn't be on the field for any other good team.   And even Waller gets hurt.   You don't even have your starting TE who's only starting because your starting starting TE's career is more or less over.   All he's really got on the field to even help him out is Justin Forsett and even he got hurt.

 

AND YET........30 points with all that.   Including him fooling the Browns and his own team for a TD himself, one of 2.   30 freaking points.    And the defense lets Josh McCown throw for 457 yards on them!

 

AND YET we've got people here that have to scroll through the play by play to say ERMAGERD FLACCO SUCKS HE MISSED THAT ONE THROW!   HE MAKES SO MANY MISTAKERS!! GRRRRRRRRR!

 

It's amazing to me.    I feel bad for him.   He probably knows he got the team in position to win yet another game, the defense loses the game, and there will be a segment of the fanbase who will actually blame him and say he isn't any good.   Or a "chump" as we've seen here.

 

This city sometimes......... 

 

BTW:  49'ers lose again.  Torrey Smith, 2 catches for 42 yards.   9 catches for 185 yards and 1 TD FOR THE SEASON so far.    Hope that money was worth it Torrey.

I feel bad for him too. Dude has to have a 100% completion percentage to not get undeserved criticism. I consider myself both a Flacco homer and critic. Yeah, he missed Givens once, but the fact is we STILL PUT UP 30 POINTS. You would think that would be enough. I'm beyond disgusted with this defense to the point where I have absolutely no faith in them whatsoever. 

As for the 49ers, I feel bad ONLY because my dad's a Niners fan and he isn't the typical obnoxious Niners fan. Matter of fact, he's basically done with Kaepernick (outside of tonight). As far as Torrey is concerned, I still like him as a person and I would love to meet him (and his family), but I don't feel sorry for him. Wasn't the difference between our offer and theirs like $5mil a year?

[sharkh20]

what do you not agree with lol?

Daryl is still playing well. 

[I AM LEGEND]

At what point do we shut down the season...?

Tell perriman just sit this one out...

Tell forsett were gonna let Buck take it from here

Tell pitta don't worry about coming back this year

Trade SSS to a contender

Let Arthur get some snaps in at Daryl's spot

[Raving_Heathen]

Flacco's accuracy the first three games of the year was really shaky, but I think he actually looked good out there today. Yes, the Browns have the 2nd worst defense in football (Ravens are clearly #1 in that dept at this point), but like it's been pointed out ad nauseam, we're fielding a bunch of journeymen and rookie receivers and TEs out there from top to bottom. Also we're on our 4th OC in as many years... That's obviously not any kind of ideal environment for success regardless of who you have under center.

 

And here's the other thing. Even with SSS, the Ravens receiving corp is probably still the worst in the league. Don't forget that even by his own admission, SSS was brought here as a #2. The fact that a 5'9" 15-year vet is far, far, far and away the best weapon we have at wideout says a lot about the talent we have at that position.

 

And here's another thing, and no disrespect to anyone. Flacco's only ever had the luxury of throwing to old receivers past their prime and at best, 1B's like Boldin. Outside of Tom Brady, every other Top 12 QB in the league going back the last 8 years has probably had a legitimate #1 receiver (and quite a few had two #1's, or at least a #1B). Actually I take that back... Even Brady got to play with a still-in-his-prime Moss for a couple of years. But guys like Stafford got a pass for years because of his gaudy fantasy numbers due to him playing in a pass-happy offense with THE best receiver in the league, but Flacco has done a lot more with a lot less, and he continues to do so. Yes, he can be maddeningly inconsistent at times, but sometimes it's not on him, like today. Our receivers just aren't very good, and even a guy like Rodgers has problems when his receivers can't get any separation as evidenced today vs the Rams.

[Raving_Heathen]

At what point do we shut down the season...?

Tell perriman just sit this one out...

 

 

Perriman needs to play this year if he can imo. Need to see what he has because he's still a huge question mark. With the Ravens luck in drafting WRs, it's more likely than not he's going to be very mediocre and/or injury-prone... In which case, Ravens need to address that for next season.

[usmccharles]

I just can't stop laughing at this point... Guess we were due for a top ten pick

[sharkh20]

I think we should attempt to trade steve smith to a winning team at this point so he can close out his career on a team that isn't garbage.  I feel so bad for him.  

[Winchester]

Hmmm  I can definitely prove that wrong if you want me too because the last time I check this has been the only season where The Ravens have been this bad in John Harbaugh era in like the past seven years.

I would take anybody up on trying to say Ozzie has had more success recently than failure. His failure has been more than double his successes. There are many failures of his nobody has even mentioned here yet. Oz is terrible. TERRIBLE!!

[Winchester]

Boldin being gone was the FO's greed. They were only quibbling over a couple million dollars that they ended up wasting on scrubs like Huff, Spears, and Stokely.

 

The Pitta contract was absolutely stupid.

I agree about pitta. An early extension on a guy on ir?? The Rice contract was worse. A rb clearly slowing down and he gets money that had big cap hits into his 30s. Ridiculous!! Boldin trade was terrible because of ozzie's inability to find a replacement. Ozzie has a history of sitting on a pick and banking on one of the players the scouts love falling to them. And it bites the team more than it works out. In 2013 they lost Alec ogletree and Deandre Hopkins. In 2014 Allen Robinson should have been the selection in Round2. The edge rushers are both over 30. A replacement with talent to be a pro bowl edge rusher is not currently on the team!! How long does oz expect suggs and Elvis to be dominant edge rushers??!! Dominant edge rushers usually cost big $$ or significant draft picks!! But no cap space because oz has so much $$ tangled up in useless players. So where is a dominant edge rushers coming from?? Gregory should have been the round2 pick!! He has some issues to smooth out but how else are the ravens acquiring an edge rushers with top tier talent?? Yeah it is a gamble. But wouldn't you prefer to gamble on a player that actually has top tier skills?? Maxx is severely overrated!! He made some nice catches against very weak opposition. Anybody that gets any info about what happens behind cameras knows Williams was culture shocked at the muscularity,power and athleticism of NFL players from the time he showed up at rookie camp!! So Randy Gregory is a gamble but not perriman and Williams??

Oz is most to blame for this!! He was really content and dancing with optimism to enter the season with 36 yr old Smith, fragile campanaro and the undrafted dynamic duo Brown\Aiken?? With all his terrible draft picks/Busts and briefcases of $$ being payed to injury prone and erratic players or aging players, How is Ozzie not front and center in Biscotti's office on monday morning after a loss. Ozzie has thrown so much $$ and assets into tumbling stocks he should and would be fired if he were a stock trader or investor. His company would be bankrupt and applying for federal bail out $$!!

[redrum52]

I'm seeing a lot of criticism of Flacco today, and even ESPN's made-up stat gives him a bad grade for today. I don't really understand what more you want from him? He played pretty well.

He made some great audibles to big run plays and another for a deep connection with Aiken.

He made a lot of tough throws. Some of those throws were pinpoint accurate, threading the needle between defenders, especially one to Nick Boyle. In the 2nd half our receivers were not getting open on almost any plays, so the pass rush was getting through because of the coverage. There were some throws where Flacco had to roll across to one side of the field and the only open receiver was on the opposite side of the field, and he either didn't attempt the throw or essentially had to throw it away.

What more do you ask of your QB? I'm so sick of everybody expecting absolute 100% perfection on every play from Joe. He's made a ton of plays this year, including this game, but the fact is he has to either swallow throws, throw it away, run for his life, or force things A LOT because he doesn't have a legit arsenal of weapons at his disposal. This was the saddest arsenal of pass catching talent that was on the field in the NFL today, and it wasn't even close. And yet we still made plays and scored 30 and had multiple late leads for the defense to squander.

Joe did more with less talent today than a lot of other QBs who won today, including Peyton, Dalton, Ryan, etc. A defense is important. Today was *ALL* about the defense.

Didn't get to watch most of the game, but can't fault Joe if I see that the team put up 30 with rookies and practice squad weapons. No way we should lose, putting up 30 at home against the Browns. Defense needs to take a hard look at themselves cause this is unacceptable.

[HoldingCall]

Didn't get to watch most of the game, but can't fault Joe if I see that the team put up 30 with rookies and practice squad weapons. No way we should lose, putting up 30 at home against the Browns. Defense needs to take a hard look at themselves cause this is unacceptable.

I agree to a point! The defense have major problems and they stink most of the time, but the problems today didn't appear until the offense stopped putting up points. They were up 21-9 then came the lull until the Browns gained the lead. Cleveland did not score 13 unanswered points without the offense getting the ball.

 

Then there is the 3 and out in OT before the defense gets on the field. This loss is on both sides, and the Browns took the game the Ravens offered to them.

 

Maybe it's because we've been spoiled by past defenses but I am surprised that in this day of new offensive friendly NFL, that some are using points scored as a justification to blame it all on defense. The team lost!

[Militant X 1]

I'm in Hawaai so I didn't get a chance to watch the game but I recorded it and will do so when I get back to VA this weekend to make my own judgment.  However, what pisses me off is knowing that when I left my hotel room this morning, the Ravens were up 21-9, just to find out that they LOST this game...after a mini bye...at home....to the Browns.  WOW!

 

I have no confidence whatsoever in this Ravens team to beat ANY TEAM at this point!  These guys are horrible!  Smh!

[HoldingCall]

Flacco's accuracy the first three games of the year was really shaky, but I think he actually looked good out there today. Yes, the Browns have the 2nd worst defense in football (Ravens are clearly #1 in that dept at this point), but like it's been pointed out ad nauseam, we're fielding a bunch of journeymen and rookie receivers and TEs out there from top to bottom. Also we're on our 4th OC in as many years... That's obviously not any kind of ideal environment for success regardless of who you have under center.

 

And here's the other thing. Even with SSS, the Ravens receiving corp is probably still the worst in the league. Don't forget that even by his own admission, SSS was brought here as a #2. The fact that a 5'9" 15-year vet is far, far, far and away the best weapon we have at wideout says a lot about the talent we have at that position.

 

And here's another thing, and no disrespect to anyone. Flacco's only ever had the luxury of throwing to old receivers past their prime and at best, 1B's like Boldin. Outside of Tom Brady, every other Top 12 QB in the league going back the last 8 years has probably had a legitimate #1 receiver (and quite a few had two #1's, or at least a #1B). Actually I take that back... Even Brady got to play with a still-in-his-prime Moss for a couple of years. But guys like Stafford got a pass for years because of his gaudy fantasy numbers due to him playing in a pass-happy offense with THE best receiver in the league, but Flacco has done a lot more with a lot less, and he continues to do so. Yes, he can be maddeningly inconsistent at times, but sometimes it's not on him, like today. Our receivers just aren't very good, and even a guy like Rodgers has problems when his receivers can't get any separation as evidenced today vs the Rams.

Yet, another way to look at this is that the Ravens traditionally draft defense first and had been a consistent playoff team. So, perhaps they would have faired better as a team had they used the first and second pick on a pass rusher and other defensive players as usual. 

 

This is the first year the offense got the bulk of the top draft picks, yet it's the new defensive players who are getting more playing time on the field between offensive and defense.

 

Just a thought! Maybe a sign to stick to their winning ways, draft the defense (not patch) and trade for WRs.

Edited October 12, 2015 by HoldingCall

[Heavyyy]

Mediocre... one word that describes the Ravens Team this Season

if they can get 5W´s we can be happy

[Static]

Mediocre... one word that describes the Ravens Team this Season

if they can get 5W´s we can be happy

I wish the Ravens were mediocre. They're much much worse than that.

[rmcjacket23]

I agree about pitta. An early extension on a guy on ir?? The Rice contract was worse. A rb clearly slowing down and he gets money that had big cap hits into his 30s. Ridiculous!! Boldin trade was terrible because of ozzie's inability to find a replacement. Ozzie has a history of sitting on a pick and banking on one of the players the scouts love falling to them. And it bites the team more than it works out. In 2013 they lost Alec ogletree and Deandre Hopkins. In 2014 Allen Robinson should have been the selection in Round2. The edge rushers are both over 30. A replacement with talent to be a pro bowl edge rusher is not currently on the team!! How long does oz expect suggs and Elvis to be dominant edge rushers??!! Dominant edge rushers usually cost big $$ or significant draft picks!! But no cap space because oz has so much $$ tangled up in useless players. So where is a dominant edge rushers coming from?? Gregory should have been the round2 pick!! He has some issues to smooth out but how else are the ravens acquiring an edge rushers with top tier talent?? Yeah it is a gamble. But wouldn't you prefer to gamble on a player that actually has top tier skills?? Maxx is severely overrated!! He made some nice catches against very weak opposition. Anybody that gets any info about what happens behind cameras knows Williams was culture shocked at the muscularity,power and athleticism of NFL players from the time he showed up at rookie camp!! So Randy Gregory is a gamble but not perriman and Williams??

Oz is most to blame for this!! He was really content and dancing with optimism to enter the season with 36 yr old Smith, fragile campanaro and the undrafted dynamic duo Brown\Aiken?? With all his terrible draft picks/Busts and briefcases of $$ being payed to injury prone and erratic players or aging players, How is Ozzie not front and center in Biscotti's office on monday morning after a loss. Ozzie has thrown so much $$ and assets into tumbling stocks he should and would be fired if he were a stock trader or investor. His company would be bankrupt and applying for federal bail out $$!!

Too much hindsight here that accomplishes nothing for anybody. Always convenient to say "you should have drafted this guy" AFTER you've seen what that guy could do.

As for the contracts, again in hindsight, some of them didn't work out. Rice's contract was never realistically that bad, as much like Ngata's deal, I didn't hear barely any fans saying it was bad in 2011 and 2012 when his cap number was low enough that we were able to assemble legitimate SB contending and eventually SB winning teams.

Can we say for certainty that we win the SB in 2012 if those contracts are different or those players aren't even here? Nope, we can't. Without knowing that Rice would knock out his wife, we have no idea how things play out. What I do know is no realistic fan would trade the 2012 season so we could not be 1-4 in 2015.

[Stakemate]

The stupid penalties killed us. The interception by Webb that was cancelled by a late hit. 3rd down stops that were cancelled by Babin over and over again. Then of course, there was the missed FG. 

 

With some discipline that would have been an easy win. It would not have solved our D-line issues, but it would have been a win.

[jimmypowder]

I'm a huge Red Zone fan. If not for that, it would be VERY easy for me to lose my sanity.

I feel bad for him too. Dude has to have a 100% completion percentage to not get undeserved criticism. I consider myself both a Flacco homer and critic. Yeah, he missed Givens once, but the fact is we STILL PUT UP 30 POINTS. You would think that would be enough. I'm beyond disgusted with this defense to the point where I have absolutely no faith in them whatsoever.

As for the 49ers, I feel bad ONLY because my dad's a Niners fan and he isn't the typical obnoxious Niners fan. Matter of fact, he's basically done with Kaepernick (outside of tonight). As far as Torrey is concerned, I still like him as a person and I would love to meet him (and his family), but I don't feel sorry for him. Wasn't the difference between our offer and theirs like $5mil a year?

Kap with Torrey & Anquan will score over 30 points against us .

Joe will have to score 40 to win !

Edited October 12, 2015 by jimmypowder

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Too much hindsight here that accomplishes nothing for anybody. Always convenient to say "you should have drafted this guy" AFTER you've seen what that guy could do.

As for the contracts, again in hindsight, some of them didn't work out. Rice's contract was never realistically that bad, as much like Ngata's deal, I didn't hear barely any fans saying it was bad in 2011 and 2012 when his cap number was low enough that we were able to assemble legitimate SB contending and eventually SB winning teams.

Can we say for certainty that we win the SB in 2012 if those contracts are different or those players aren't even here? Nope, we can't. Without knowing that Rice would knock out his wife, we have no idea how things play out. What I do know is no realistic fan would trade the 2012 season so we could not be 1-4 in 2015.

Yeah, way too much hindsight. He's also acting like Rice was some scrub.

The Pitta contract was a joke. I still can't believe he got 32 million after that type of hip injury. I was thinking we'd get him for cheap, but nope. Pitta thinking he was still worth that much after that type of injury is pure arrogance. I felt that way when we re-signed him. I doubt any team would have paid anything close to that. 32 million was too much money for the risk.

I was always fine with Rice's contract. There's a level of arrogance that this organization shows with Rice handling that I can't stand. We're terrible with Rice still eating up cap, so why not have him back. They're sitting back like we're good, and have the luxery of picking and choosing over pr. We're not better with Rice off the team.

Rice is still a great option on 3rd down check downs. I don't care if he only gets 1 yard or 1 3rd down. At least it's something for all the money against the cap.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Moderator 3

[ravensdfan]

Don't see this being on pees.

We have no pass rush...not Pees fault...Front office let Ngata and McPhee leave and we lose our defensive leader.

Secondly, no one saw our secondary being this horrible...we have the names..their just playing like scrubs. Maybe some of that is Pees not using his secondary correctly..their just not performing.

I think this disaster of a year is solely on the Front Office.

If you have the names and they play like scrubs - that is a coaching issue.

[Cillmatic]

At what point do we shut down the season...?

Tell perriman just sit this one out...

Tell forsett were gonna let Buck take it from here

Tell pitta don't worry about coming back this year

Trade SSS to a contender

Let Arthur get some snaps in at Daryl's spot

Perriman' needs to get playing time.

[ravensdfan]

Yet, another way to look at this is that the Ravens traditionally draft defense first and had been a consistent playoff team. So, perhaps they would have faired better as a team had they used the first and second pick on a pass rusher and other defensive players as usual. 

 

This is the first year the offense got the bulk of the top draft picks, yet it's the new defensive players who are getting more playing time on the field between offensive and defense.

 

Just a thought! Maybe a sign to stick to their winning ways, draft the defense (not patch) and trade for WRs.

We already tried that method and we fell short every year. So you are content to just be in the playoffs and never in the SB? Because that is what ignoring the offense will do for you. Not to mention, this isn't your Dad's NFL anymore. It's built for offense's to be successful.

[ravensdfan]

I'm in Hawaai so I didn't get a chance to watch the game but I recorded it and will do so when I get back to VA this weekend to make my own judgment.  However, what pisses me off is knowing that when I left my hotel room this morning, the Ravens were up 21-9, just to find out that they LOST this game...after a mini bye...at home....to the Browns.  WOW!

 

I have no confidence whatsoever in this Ravens team to beat ANY TEAM at this point!  These guys are horrible!  Smh!

Don't watch it man. It's painful. It's the same old story anyway.