The good,bad and ugly vent Browns at Ravens.

[callahan09]

Good post.

 

Now that I have you here, how many other teams have gone 0-2 when scoring more than 30 points (or any vaguely equivalent record)? I'd be fascinated to see one of your famous stats crunches on that issue.

This year so far there have been 37 occurrences where a team scored 30+ points.  Those teams are 29-6.  2 of those 6 losses belong to the Ravens.  The Ravens are the only team with multiple 30+ point performances that didn't win any of them.

 

Since 2008, teams are 825-110-2 in 30+ point peformances.  That's an .882 win percentage.

[Inqui]

Perriman's not as good as Treadwell or Boyd, nor is he much of a #1 WR based in his college career. We need a true #1. Waller's nothing.

It's not that I don't think Treadwell, Boyd or any of a string other names anyone could bring to the table would be upgrades. There are a lot of guys in the draft that I'd like to see wearing purple.

 

It's more that if we scored 30 points with Joe throwing to probably the saddest collection of WRs in the league right now, I think we could get by if we had to given the WR situation shouldn't be this bad next year even if we sit on our hands and go bargain hunting again (especially with how our TE situation appears to be). It's more a topic for the draft forum, but I feel OLB and DB are more pressing needs. Again though, not that I'd be mad at taking a WR early.

[Guest Omerta]

I got a bad migraine and had to knock myself out. I  missed most of the second half. Last time I looked we were up 21-9. What the hell happened?

Well just imagine anything that could go wrong and it probably did. 

 

I guess if I had to summarize it, we started playing off coverage and soft and the started hitting little slants, digs, ins and then the YAC is what really did us in. Missed tackled all over the place. No real defensive muster to speak of in the second. 

 

Offensively we could get no separation on most routes, there was some questionable playcalling imo, but overall it was decent. The offense did ok as well, but Forsett went out and we lost our run game. 

 

WE just did not do enough.

[jaege]

This team is just not very good. Poor coaching? Raw players? Lack of desire? The why can be argued, and will be, for weeks, but the truth is that they are a not a good team. We have some good players, sure, but we just let an complete unknown nobody get 450 yards of passing. That doesn't even happen to an average team. Mathematically, the season is not over, but rationally, it sure looks like it is. Short of some sort of miraculous event, we are playing for a draft pick.

[Inqui]

This year so far there have been 37 occurrences where a team scored 30+ points.  Those teams are 29-6.  2 of those 6 losses belong to the Ravens.  The Ravens are the only team with multiple 30+ point performances that didn't win any of them.

 

Since 2008, teams are 825-110-2 in 30+ point peformances.  That's an .882 win percentage.

That makes a really depressing statement about our defensive performances. I'd wager if we came back to that stat at the end of the season it would look even more glaring.

[Jillester]

You know, to a great extent Harbaugh now has the players he wanted. 

 

Harbaugh had no patience for veterans with the fire and a mind of their own. Now he's got a bunch of compliant, obedient coach honorees. And what have we got?  We have guys that allow butt grabs to win the game.  Guys that cut their hair and don't speak up in meetings.

 

Lets see us go 9-2 with them and make the playoffs!

Ya' know....you reap what you sow.

[AsianRice]

Damn Jim is such a great coach.........just saying.....

[Maukey]

Come on people!  Offense?  This offense put up 30 points with receivers who are worse than half the high school receivers in my area!  DEAN PEES has got to go.  The problem isn't talent on D, it's a D coordinator who doesn't put his defense in the best position to make plays.  CJ Mosley, Jimmy Smith, Brandon Williams, Courney Upshaw, Elvis Dumerville, Kendrick Lewis, etc.  This is not a bad defense on paper.  In fact, I would bet that many teams in the NFL would gladly swap our defensive talent for their own.  The problem is our D coordinator.  We have been blowing 4th quarter leads since he got here, including last year's playoff lost to New England.  At first the excuse was, "Oh, the defense is getting old".  Then it moved last season to, "Well, his secondary is decimated with injuries.  Wait until he has a healthy secondary!".  Now what's the excuse?  The talent isn't there?  Huh!  If Dean Pees is still here by close of business tomorrow, I'll be very disappointed.  He's the Cam Cameron of Defenses! 

[ratedr]

Come on people!  Offense?  This offense put up 30 points with receivers who are worse than half the high school receivers in my area!  DEAN PEES has got to go.  The problem isn't talent on D, it's a D coordinator who doesn't put his defense in the best position to make plays.  CJ Mosley, Jimmy Smith, Brandon Williams, Courney Upshaw, Elvis Dumerville, Kendrick Lewis, etc.  This is not a bad defense on paper.  In fact, I would bet that many teams in the NFL would gladly swap our defensive talent for their own.  The problem is our D coordinator.  We have been blowing 4th quarter leads since he got here, including last year's playoff lost to New England.  At first the excuse was, "Oh, the defense is getting old".  Then it moved last season to, "Well, his secondary is decimated with injuries.  Wait until he has a healthy secondary!".  Now what's the excuse?  The talent isn't there?  Huh!  If Dean Pees is still here by close of business tomorrow, I'll be very disappointed.  He's the Cam Cameron of Defenses! 

Agreed.  There's a new excuse for this guy every year.

[Maukey]

Agreed.  There's a new excuse for this guy every year.

Exactly!  I'm normally pretty calm about this, but now it's pissing me off with all the excuses for him.  "He has no pass rush!".  What?  A great coordinator can scheme a pass rush.  Rex Ryan rarely had a dominant pass rusher, he knew how to scheme it up.  Dean Pees is either front 4 basic rush, or predictable blitz that my son can see coming and check to a play to beat it.  He's a joke and 105.7 the fan and everyone else need to quit foolin themselves!

[redlobster]

Seasons done, put tray walker out there more, put Arthur brown out there. Let's see what these guys have got

Edited October 12, 2015 by redlobster

[Edgar]

You know, to a great extent Harbaugh now has the players he wanted. 

 

Harbaugh had no patience for veterans with the fire and a mind of their own. Now he's got a bunch of compliant, obedient coach honorees. And what have we got?  We have guys that allow butt grabs to win the game.  Guys that cut their hair and don't speak up in meetings.

 

Lets see us go 9-2 with them and make the playoffs!

I think there is truth regarding the sort of nice guy, soft spoken and second fiddle type of coordinators Harbaugh has brought in. Kubiak, to me was an exception.

[Guest]

In 5 games Waller has had a grand total of 6 targets...2 were Flacco patented dying quails.  1 was a concussion.

 

Aiken has had 27.....M. Brown of all people about 20.

 

This is so bad, I am beginning to think we need to shop Flacco.  We can't afford anyone that can help us because Flacco broke the bank.

 

 Lets bust this up and start afresh. The only problem with that is it took Ozzie over a decade to find a QB2 in Joe. Let Flacco  go and we will be saddled with Bolers, past prime McNairs, Grebecs and the like. We won't get a QB3 under Oz's flawless guidance.  

 

 

Perriman's not as good as Treadwell or Boyd, nor is he much of a #1 WR based in his college career. We need a true #1. Waller's nothing.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Just patiently waiting for the BR.com update and/or Bleacher Report, ESPN updates notifying me who all has been let go after this debacle.

[Guest]

Just patiently waiting for the BR.com update and/or Bleacher Report, ESPN updates notifying me who all has been let go after this debacle.

 

Something should be done now...but it won't be.

 

Business as usual.  I'm watching San Fran........anyone thinking that game was gonna be a cakewalk was deluding themselves. 

[ratedr]

In 5 games Waller has had a grand total of 6 targets...2 were Flacco patented dying quails.  1 was a concussion.

 

Aiken has had 27.....M. Brown of all people about 20.

 

This is so bad, I am beginning to think we need to shop Flacco.  We can't afford anyone that can help us because Flacco broke the bank.

 

 Lets bust this up and start afresh. The only problem with that is it took Ozzie over a decade to find a QB2 in Joe. Let Flacco  go and we will be saddled with Bolers, past prime McNairs, Grebecs and the like. We won't get a QB3 under Oz's flawless guidance.  

We've afforded plenty of people...on defense. I get so tired of having to explain this nonsense over and over. Look up Flacco's cap hits the last three years. This is the first year Flacco has the top cap hit on the team, and even that hit ($14.5M) is middle of the road for QBs. There's double that money tied up in players not producing for us (Ngata) or at all (Rice, Pitta). 

 

I also don't follow...you mention our bad receivers, and the solution is to shop...Flacco? What?

Edited October 12, 2015 by ratedr

[GrimCoconut]

I wish I could tell people what I really think of them around here. Some of the comments here would infuriate the irrational side of me.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Serious question when was the last time this team played a complete game on all sides?

[Inqui]

Serious question when was the last time this team played a complete game on all sides?

Off the top of my head, last year at Tampa Bay perhaps?

[ratedr]

Serious question when was the last time this team played a complete game on all sides?

Playoffs against Pittsburgh.

 

The only team we can seem to beat anymore, apparently.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Oh dear god..... Shop the one good thing about the team rn? Oh lawd

[Edgar]

Don't recall any Browns passing plays where a raven defender was even in position to make a play on the ball.

No pass deflections,even dropped picks.....non existant

[cursona pirate]

Oh dear god..... Shop the one good thing about the team rn? Oh lawd

Sam Koch! 

[-Truth-]

Don't recall any Browns passing plays where a raven defender was even in position to make a play on the ball.

No pass deflections,even dropped picks.....non existant

 

The Webb INT would've been one if it wasn't called back.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Off the top of my head, last year at Tampa Bay perhaps?

  

Playoffs against Pittsburgh.

 

The only team we can seem to beat anymore, apparently.

So out of 16 games last year only two lol... I know realisticly every game is not going to be a "complete" game but it's always the O plays good and the D struggles or vice versa. Coaching has alot to do with this.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think Flacco played bad at all. This guy is just as much the default scapegoat around here as Dean Pees, but Flacco actually does win us football games. He's had his bad games and he's made bad throws, but nobody is perfect and I've seen every QB have issues throwing the ball in some fashion. Joe may not be the greatest QB in the world, but I do like him and I do think he's a very talented QB we're lucky to have. I feel our inferiority complex resulting from years of having an absence at QB to be revolting. All we do around here is talk about Flacco's contract, but it's hard to argue that he's what's holding this team back financially. Rice, Pitta, Monroe, Webb, & other guys who haven't lived up to their deals are the ones who have hurt this team financially & competitively. 

 

Flacco had a good game. He wasn't bad out there and he's far from the reason we lost this game. In fact, I'd argue that he isn't the reason we lost any game this year. The only game I truly place at the onus of the offense was the first game, but outside of that, the offense has gotten better and actually improved. The defense has only gotten exponentially worse. 

 

The point is that the Ravens lost this game against the Browns because of the defense. There's no doubt. Is the offense good enough to carry the defense? Nope. Perhaps it's time we re-evaluate the identity of this team and determine if we should become more like the Patriots with a dominant offense but a not-so-dominant defense. Oh, and deflated footballs. Gotta have deflated footballs. 

[ratedr]

As far as offense goes our pass catchers are crap.

 

If you were watching Niners/Giants, did you see that pass that Eli threw to Donnell that ultimately won the game. That was the SAME EXACT pass Flacco threw to Crockett at the end of the Denver game. The difference was that Donnell made the play and caught a TD, while Crockett didn't and the ball was intercepted.

[BSHU_Miami]

Exactly!  I'm normally pretty calm about this, but now it's pissing me off with all the excuses for him.  "He has no pass rush!".  What?  A great coordinator can scheme a pass rush.  Rex Ryan rarely had a dominant pass rusher, he knew how to scheme it up.  Dean Pees is either front 4 basic rush, or predictable blitz that my son can see coming and check to a play to beat it.  He's a joke and 105.7 the fan and everyone else need to quit foolin themselves!

I've seen coordinators who have less talent to.han us completely

Exactly!  I'm normally pretty calm about this, but now it's pissing me off with all the excuses for him.  "He has no pass rush!".  What?  A great coordinator can scheme a pass rush.  Rex Ryan rarely had a dominant pass rusher, he knew how to scheme it up.  Dean Pees is either front 4 basic rush, or predictable blitz that my son can see coming and check to a play to beat it.  He's a joke and 105.7 the fan and everyone else need to quit foolin themselves!

my god thank you. There is no reason whatsoever that Mosley. A PRO BOWL ROOKIE should be in a position he can't succeed. Hell pees would've had the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history of Ray didn't call that audible. We have the talent. We just have bad direction. This guy is trash

[ratedr]

If Jim Harbaugh doesn't call a timeout in the SB on 2nd down when Kaep had 1 on 1 with Ray and a clear path to the endzone, Pees would've owned the biggest blown lead in SB history.

[Edgar]

You're right. Forgot about that one,

Harbaugh screamed about that for five minutes which seemed absurd to me.