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[jimmypowder]

Come on guys and gals lets stop pointing fingers at different players or suggesting anything other than what the real problems is. It's the FO and coaching staff. It's time to reboot Ozzie's wizardy is old and it just doesn't work anymore. Harbaugh is losing control of the locker room. Trestman is a joke as an OC-He couldn't do it in Chicago and he can't do it here. Pee's the way he sits in the booth and calls his ridiculous defensive schemes. The reason he sits up there is because he is too bloated to walk the sidelines. We got grandpa Ozzie, out of touch Harbaugh, the caricature Trestman and chubby Pees. Come on man

Well I think Pees is gone soon . I don't think we will bring Trestman back . Too many ridiculous calls on 3rd down . And that

call on the 2 point conversion ! Laughable . I was so angry after that call .

[sflegend89]

Our biggest problem has been draft position. We have always been in the back end since 08. With a high pick number in each round next year, Ozzie can pin his ears back and get us some real talent infused.

 

Agreed. It's hard to get the game changing talent we're looking for when the board is picked clean by the time we pick more often than not. After the 2013 season we got Mosley and Jernigan, Ozzie and Eric really do well when they have a good draft position. If we're in the top 10 this year we could do some serious damage in the draft.

[gabrielgrissom]

Come on guys and gals lets stop pointing fingers at different players or suggesting anything other than what the real problems is. It's the FO and coaching staff. It's time to reboot Ozzie's wizardy is old and it just doesn't work anymore. Harbaugh is losing control of the locker room. Trestman is a joke as an OC-He couldn't do it in Chicago and he can't do it here. Pee's the way he sits in the booth and calls his ridiculous defensive schemes. The reason he sits up there is because he is too bloated to walk the sidelines. We got grandpa Ozzie, out of touch Harbaugh, the caricature Trestman and chubby Pees. Come on man

yup ozzie cant hang after one debateable season of a failure... and trestman was a terrible OC not a head coach but OC... And harbaugh man he just sucks get him outta here... smh you guys

[balfan23]

If there was ever any question around it, there is n

 

Ozzie has his share of the blame, but he alone isn't the problem. I think you can blame him for not bringing back a guy like Graham, but I'll give him that one. If anything, perhaps he's guilty of being too patient.

We all praised Ozzie this offseason for his moves. Many people saying he's done I'm sure also called the secondary likely to be improved. Someone is at fault here, and while I don't think Pees is exclusively at fault, I think it's time for him to go. I don't think the defense can play any worse. The guys didn't even stop the run effectively at the end of the game. They have no heart, and I don't see Pees as a players' coach. I think that could be what's missing here.

No Heart. That right there is a major concern. Pees is on borrowed time. I don't know that we fire him tomorrow, but he's likely a dead man walking. 

 

On Ozzie ... I think we praised him because we thought that some of these moves were going to help shore up the secondary. At the end of last season, we thought that was the only issue we had. If we fixed that, we're a contender. 

 

Whether it is Pees to blame, I don't know - but those guys have not helped. Then we saw, with injuries how thin we are at OLB. We let Torrey walk and his replacement is a ghost. We lost Ngata and Jernigan was supposed to step up. He hasn't. We all wanted to see us finally give some of these young guys at WR a chance. We did and they are basically squandering their opportunity.

[goldenboldin]

Come on guys and gals lets stop pointing fingers at different players or suggesting anything other than what the real problems is. It's the FO and coaching staff. It's time to reboot Ozzie's wizardy is old and it just doesn't work anymore. Harbaugh is losing control of the locker room. Trestman is a joke as an OC-He couldn't do it in Chicago and he can't do it here. Pee's the way he sits in the booth and calls his ridiculous defensive schemes. The reason he sits up there is because he is too bloated to walk the sidelines. We got grandpa Ozzie, out of touch Harbaugh, the caricature Trestman and chubby Pees. Come on man

 

Those are some really rash moves for one bad season. Even the pats (2000, 2002) and colts (2001, 2011) had losing or non-playoff seasons but they didn't change their coaching, FO or team culture. This stuff happens over time It's re-building mode. 

[imvirgo]

Another painful three hours of watching Ravens football.  Again the defense falters when needed the most.  We put up 30 points @ home and cannot stop the other team.  The same virus (Dean Pees) that we did not find a cure for last year is still in our system.  With a must win our defense gives up 505 total yards at home that's not Ravenous.  The team is on course to maybe pick in the top 10-12 of next year's college draft and finish last in the AFC North.  This team has no fire and is undisciplined. John Harbaugh is a good coach and I believe a lot of his past success had to with the studs he had on offense & defense.  He does not impress me as a coach who can inspire an overall team.  This team is on the verge of collaspe and he is going to loose them to the point they tune him out.  Steve Bisciotti normally waits until the end of season to evaluate and act but how much of this can he stomach.    Some type of change is due maybe sooner than later if just to shake things up. At this point somebody's job should be on the line.  The Bengals are the cream on the crop in the AFC North and the Ravens have taken the place of the Browns.  This is not Ravens football as we know it.  You can say we are spoiled with the success and so should be our coaches.  We can almost certainly say the Ravens after making the playoffs for five straight seasons under Harbaugh have not made it 2 of the last 3 seasons.  Can you see our Ravens being 2 wins and 6 losses at the bye?  Not unlikely and more probable than not.  I will always be a Raven but this is not Ravenous football just so painful to watch.  

[balfan23]

Come on guys and gals lets stop pointing fingers at different players or suggesting anything other than what the real problems is. It's the FO and coaching staff. It's time to reboot Ozzie's wizardy is old and it just doesn't work anymore. Harbaugh is losing control of the locker room. Trestman is a joke as an OC-He couldn't do it in Chicago and he can't do it here. Pee's the way he sits in the booth and calls his ridiculous defensive schemes. The reason he sits up there is because he is too bloated to walk the sidelines. We got grandpa Ozzie, out of touch Harbaugh, the caricature Trestman and chubby Pees. Come on man

So we're just going to wipe out the FO and the entire coaching staff? Yeah, that'll work out well ... 

[ratedr]

Come on guys and gals lets stop pointing fingers at different players or suggesting anything other than what the real problems is. It's the FO and coaching staff. It's time to reboot Ozzie's wizardy is old and it just doesn't work anymore. Harbaugh is losing control of the locker room. Trestman is a joke as an OC-He couldn't do it in Chicago and he can't do it here. Pee's the way he sits in the booth and calls his ridiculous defensive schemes. The reason he sits up there is because he is too bloated to walk the sidelines. We got grandpa Ozzie, out of touch Harbaugh, the caricature Trestman and chubby Pees. Come on man

I think the FO has dropped the ball but I don't think Ozzie should go. Or Harbaugh. But Pees? Absolutely. And I'm not big on Trestman either. It appears his offenses can't close. Same issue in Chicago.

[wizard1]

Well I think Pees is gone soon . I don't think we will bring Trestman back . Too many ridiculous calls on 3rd down . And that

call on the 2 point conversion ! Laughable . I was so angry after that call .

 

 That 2 point conversion call was indeed a ridiculous coaching decision. and goes to the overall integrity of the coaching staff.

[cookiedood]

In looking over the remaining schedule, I only see 3, maybe four teams that they have a chance to beat, but I would not be placing money on any of those games. OMG, can you envision the carnage when Palmer, Rivers, and Roethelsberger play this crew. If reality escaped you after they were 0 and 3. well maybe now you can accept the fact that this team just is not very good. The silver lining here is that we will now be in a position to rebuild with some better draft picks. I know that everyone is quick to blame the coaches. but they are only part of the problem. You can't keep filling gaps in your defense with players that were discarded by other teams, and expect to be a winner. The Ravens will not be in the playoffs this year, or even the next couple of years, but if they can draft correctly, they may make it back in four to five years.

[Static]

He ran a 4.3 him being fast is expected.

Brooks fan a 4.42 but yeah he is extremely fast

[ratedr]

When you lose to the Browns at home, you can't look at any future game as a win honestly. We are very much in the running for the #1 pick.

[wizard1]

So we're just going to wipe out the FO and the entire coaching staff? Yeah, that'll work out well ... 

 

When we are 1 and 7 at the bye and 4 and 12 at the end of the season I promise you it will be time for a complete changing of the guard. And all of us in Ravens Nation will be leading the charge.

[goldenboldin]

When we are 1 and 7 at the bye and 4 and 12 at the end of the season I promise you it will be time for a complete changing of the guard. And all of us in Ravens Nation will be leading the charge.

 

Over one bad season? There's only one team that changes coaching and personnel so often... the Browns... and look how they've panned out in the last decade. The best teams maintain stability and change pieces here and there. Yes the Ravens season is horrible. No the Ravens aren't going to make extreme changing of the guard moves as result of it.. and they don't need to. 

[wizard1]

When you lose to the Browns at home, you can't look at any future game as a win honestly. We are very much in the running for the #1 pick.

 I totally agree with you but wouldn't it be awesome if that first pick was made by some fresh eyes with different mentalities?  If we envision it we can make it happen !

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I'm done. I've finally broke. Pees needs to go.

[ratedr]

When we are 1 and 7 at the bye and 4 and 12 at the end of the season I promise you it will be time for a complete changing of the guard. And all of us in Ravens Nation will be leading the charge.

Can't wipe out everything after 1 bad season.

You can wipe out some things though...which is why Pees has to go. If they got rid of Trestman I wouldn't cry either.

[Cillmatic]

Trestman's not that bad, it's the bad WR's and random O-line.

[wizard1]

Over one bad season? There's only one team that changes coaching and personnel so often... the Browns... and look how they've panned out in the last decade. The best teams maintain stability and change pieces here and there. Yes the Ravens season is horrible. No the Ravens aren't going to make extreme changing of the guard moves as result of it.. and they don't need to. 

 

 So then what you are saying is that nobody in the FO or the coaching staff is responsible for us looking like a Pee Wee League football team? Sorry but I have to disagree. The overall coaching decisions that have been made this year are unimaginable. Honestly it's like the 3 Stooges out there.

[ratedr]

Trestman's not that bad, it's the bad WR's and random O-line.

Yep, which is why I'm not calling for him to be fired. But he's made some truly baffling calls (going deep on 3rd and short, that 2 point play) that I don't care whether he stays or goes.

But Pees? He HAS to go. I don't care about the injuries, this has happened to often the last few years.

Castillo needs to go to. That OL last year was all Kubiak.

[Static]

It's been 2 and a half hours and still no Peas new. Ugh

[goldenboldin]

 So then what you are saying is that nobody in the FO or the coaching staff is responsible for us looking like a Pee Wee League football team? Sorry but I have to disagree. The overall coaching decisions that have been made this year are unimaginable. Honestly it's like the 3 Stooges out there.

 

It's probably not a bad idea getting rid of Trestman or Pees. But wouldn't we all want to ensure we find a better replacement? I'm all for making our team better with better players and coaches. I'd love Kubiak back if I had my way.

[rmw10]

I was really looking forward to him getting some experience and seeing how he does...

 

Jeff Zrebiec ‏@jeffzrebiecsun  1m1 minute ago

Sounds like Will Davis' knee injury is pretty significant. Tough break for a player who was finally getting an opportunity.

[redrum52]

On the topic of Ozzie...

He absolutely doesn't get a pass. Some of the issues here are without a doubt on him. We needed a CB something bad and we waited for Arrington. I liked the Arrington move at the time, but you still had a huge question mark in Webb. We needed and still need a WR, and I think every single one of us knew that, and we didn't grab one. I'm of the opinion that we let too much talent bypass us in FA because of the comp pick formula.

With that being said, I think the guy still has earned the benefit of the doubt. We've been a consistent contender for many years now. No one could have predicted that Ray Rice's fiasco would happen and that Pitta would dislocate his hip again. That's a lot of money tied up in players that aren't on the field. That really affects the talent we can bring into the organization.

The biggest problem to me is the cap. We're spending too much on players not playing. Ngata Rice and Pitta are huge hits. I refuse to fault Ozzie because the offense looks completely different if guys are healthy or just 1 guy goes down. On defense I think most knew the need for another rusher and today we played without our 2 main guys. I can't blame Ozzie for not having thought that our #4 wr should be a #1 and that our 3rd OLB shold be a beast pass rusher. The players need to get the damn job done and the coaches need to have them prepared and out in position to succeed. The coaches to me now are just as much at fault cause these guys don't like disciplined at all. Except Trestman who's being asked to make apple juice with banana peels.

[ravensdan]

Actually I should shake his hand. That's called having a good agent lol. We hate it, but he did his job well.

I'm sure everyone will scream about this but if you look at the big picture. I'm not sure he should be restructured at all. Look around the league. It's going to look like a bargain for a franchise QB.

[BirdWatcher]

The good: At least we were in the game. We didn't get blown out.

[wizard1]

It's probably not a bad idea getting rid of Trestman or Pees. But wouldn't we all want to ensure we find a better replacement? I'm all for making our team better with better players and coaches. I'd love Kubiak back if I had my way.

 

 

This is all about the coaching staff. We have some quality players but poor coaching decisions and philosophies have not developed them. Year after year we let great players go and then try to scramble to fill the gaps with guys who just don't fit. The Broncos, Falcons and Bills fired their coaching staff last year and look where they are today ! We can build a better house but that house starts with a strong foundation and with carpenters that are all using the same blueprints.

[goldenboldin]

You know what else is worth investigating -- the medical team responsible for proper conditioning, warmups and injury prevention. 

[ratedr]

The cap is on Ozzie too. The Pitta contract especially was probably the worst decision in recent team history. Rice will at least fall off after this year but Pitta will hurt us for a while.

[ravensdan]

The biggest problem to me is the cap. We're spending too much on players not playing. Ngata Rice and Pitta are huge hits. I refuse to fault Ozzie because the offense looks completely different if guys are healthy or just 1 guy goes down. On defense I think most knew the need for another rusher and today we played without our 2 main guys. I can't blame Ozzie for not having thought that our #4 wr should be a #1 and that our 3rd OLB shold be a beast pass rusher. The players need to get the damn job done and the coaches need to have them prepared and out in position to succeed. The coaches to me now are just as much at fault cause these guys don't like disciplined at all. Except Trestman who's being asked to make apple juice with banana peels.

I think letting McPhee go was ozzies biggest offseason mistake. He woukd have benefitted the team more than all outside free agents combined this year.