Waller vs Marlon

[JoeyFlex5]

Yes, Marlon Brown is not that good, but he is capable of scoring many touchdowns if forced into a major role. Maybe Waller can, too, but how can we know? How do you know he can use his body better? College tape? Mini-camp? I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can we know anything about him right now? From what I've seen, he can barely get off the line of scrimmage.

on the incompletions that were thrown his way this year, i believe there were 2 against oakland and 1 against pittsburgh, they were HORRIBLE throws by flacco in which he really had no chance to catch them, but he still made excellent efforts to leap and reach his hands down over the db and actually making some contact with the ball. flacco threw deliberate jumpballs but they really went right into the db's gut, but he showed better body control and hand placement on those 3 incompletions than what we have seen from brown in 2-1/4 seasons

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Why in god's name should we vote for either? Listen. I pick neither. I'd rather have Joe solely focus on the TE's and take a few deep shots to Givens until SSR and Perriman return and have us go run heavy. 

 

I pick Waller? Why? Because at least in the red zone I think we use his size better than Marlon can. 

[Ravensfan23]

because we dont have much choice. before sr and camp went down, aiken was the 2 and brown was pretty much 2b, campanaro and waller were our only other options and campanaro was probably still recovering from him training camp injury and waller is very raw. campanaro began to catch fire and suddenly brown and aiken began losing snaps and targets, aiken seized the opportunity for the most part when he got playing time(except for the cinci game) and brown didnt. when campanaro and steve went down, it was between aiken, waller, and brown; aiken caught fire, waller made a clutch game saving play, and brown did nothing at all iirc.

its not that hes the odd man out, its that hes the least talented wideout on the team and after 3 seasons the lack of talent is now getting noticeable. he sees the field because regardless of what he can do, he is a big boy, he can throw a nice block on a quick strike YAC play, he can block the exterior on stretch plays if needed, and maybe he can get a mismatch on occasion, end up with a 6'5" WR facing a 5'10" nickel back, and we know that at the very least he isnt gonna go out there and cause a disaster, i think thats about the extent of him seeing playing time.

But Camp didn't take snaps from Brown, he took snaps from Aiken. Marlon Brown actually started the game vs the Steelers and the first 3 wide set featured Sr, Brown and Camp. In fact Marlon Brown saw the most snaps of any WR in that game with 72 and he's leading the WRs with 232 snaps. It's not like Camp left in the first half, he left mid way through the 4th quarter and only had 14 snaps. Again not saying your wrong but it just doesn't add up to me.

You say they don't trust him but I think it's just the opposite. Brown is generally the guy running the clear out routes that get Sr open. Not saying Sr can't get open without Brown but the way the offense is set up Trestman typically uses two man combo routes and Brown is usually involved. However in times when it's not a combo Brown doesn't get targeted over a guy like Sr. He's consistently targeted more then Aiken, but like you said Aiken has taken advantage more. Maybe it's a factor of Joe not having 100% trust in him because he missed practically all of training camp. But I just can't see much evidence of the coaches, mainly Trestman not trusting Brown and only playing him because they're no better options because again he's technically played more then Aiken.

[OldToby]

With Steve Smith likely resting this game, we should get a pretty good look at Marlon and Waller. Would be surprised if neither caught a touchdown. Crocket Gilmore is out as well. Hope to see a touchdown from both the Wr and TE groups.

[JoeyFlex5]

But Camp didn't take snaps from Brown, he took snaps from Aiken. Marlon Brown actually started the game vs the Steelers and the first 3 wide set featured Sr, Brown and Camp. In fact Marlon Brown saw the most snaps of any WR in that game with 72 and he's leading the WRs with 232 snaps. It's not like Camp left in the first half, he left mid way through the 4th quarter and only had 14 snaps. Again not saying your wrong but it just doesn't add up to me.

You say they don't trust him but I think it's just the opposite. Brown is generally the guy running the clear out routes that get Sr open. Not saying Sr can't get open without Brown but the way the offense is set up Trestman typically uses two man combo routes and Brown is usually involved. However in times when it's not a combo Brown doesn't get targeted over a guy like Sr. He's consistently targeted more then Aiken, but like you said Aiken has taken advantage more. Maybe it's a factor of Joe not having 100% trust in him because he missed practically all of training camp. But I just can't see much evidence of the coaches, mainly Trestman not trusting Brown and only playing him because they're no better options because again he's technically played more then Aiken.

i was referring to joe not trusting him and thats why hes not getting his targets, the fact that brown led all wrs in snaps but went virtually unnoticed, while others were having a field day on limited snaps, just attests more to the point im trying to make. marlon brown cannot be trusted to catch a ball while covered, and marlon brown cannot be trusted to gain separation on his own, thus leading to a low target on snap percentage. people like to point out 24 of 31 balls caught last year, but fail to recognize that he only saw a target on less than 10% of his snap count, i believe the number was 360 something snaps and only 31 targets, so we are beginning to see a trend develop here, so its not about missing preseason, its about a lack of ability, aiken gets targets because he has shown to at the very least have a solid amount of tenacity and aggression through the catching process, marlon brown hasnt shown anything that would give his qb faith unless he is completely wide open(which pretty much only happens as a result of miscommunications)

[Cillmatic]

We've seen what Marlon has to offer, iffy hands, zero seperation. We haven't seen what Waller has to offer.

[Guest]

With Steve Smith likely resting this game, we should get a pretty good look at Marlon and Waller. Would be surprised if neither caught a touchdown. Crocket Gilmore is out as well. Hope to see a touchdown from both the Wr and TE groups.

 

I agree with you.  Flacco will be throwing to our inexperienced WR's.  He about has to.  We'll see on the results who was open and whether Joe threw the correct ball.

 

Joe really has been putting up a lot of dying quail.  He needs to put the ball where his receiver has the best shot. Ravensfan23 said it all.

Edited October 10, 2015 by Danny D

[January J]

Marlon hasn't gotten many chances this year, although there may be a reason for that. The few opportunities he's gotten he's dropped easy catches and he may have lost flacs trust.

[Guest]

Marlon hasn't gotten many chances this year, although there may be a reason for that. The few opportunities he's gotten he's dropped easy catches and he may have lost flacs trust.

 

Theres been two drops by M. Brown recently where the sound of leather glancing off rock was clearly audible.....CLANK

 

They were vintage Matt Elam type drops.  It's not every skill position player that can audibly signal he has hands of stone and is not ready for Primetime, but when you find one like that, you have to acknowledge it.

 

I know... everyone is entitled to a drop occasionally, but some drops are special.

 

This is a big game.  The season likely hinges upon it. Not just winning it, but establishing direction in it.

Edited October 10, 2015 by Danny D