Lost's Big Board/Occasional Mock Draft

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

So this is where I will post my findings. So far, I have our needs ranked as (I have yet to see Will Davis in action. If he is good on the outside then I won't list corner. If he's not I'll make it number two. Have not gotten around to scouting the position thus far)

These are the people I have scouted thus far, and how I am ranking them.. If x player is not on the list, that means I have not gotten to him yet.
1. OLB/Edge Setter- Suggs leaving is a major loss. Not just in the pass rushing department. Granted, I think ZDS is a pretty good pass rusher. But I also think that he won't be able to set the edge asap.

People I like at this position are

• Joey Bosa
• Emmanuel Ogbah
• Shillique Callhoun
• Carl Nassib
• Leonard Floyd
• Yannick Ngakoue
• Jordan Jenkins

2. Center-It appears that we are trying to run inside zone now for Trestman. Something Zuttah does not seem capable of doing. Not strong enough.

• Max Turek
• Dan Voltz
• Nick Martin
• Jack Allen
• Mike Matthews

3. Wide Receiver- Perriman's floor is a number two. A good one. Something tells me Givens comes back and he's a #3... I think that we need to find either another number two, or a number one. This is an overrated class but it's pretty solid across the board.

• Josh Doctson
• Corey Coleman
• Tyler Boyd
• Laquon Treadwell
• Micheal Thomas
• Travin Dural
• Demarcus Robinson
• Pharoh Cooper
• Sterling Shepard

4. Running Back-Forsett is a product of a good oline. We need another capable runner imo, as we are a run first offense. Taliefero is a good goal line guy, and Allen is a great third down back imo. Good hands and pass blocking ability while being a passable runner. But we lack that #1.

• Ezekil Elliot
• Devontae Booker
• Derrick Henry
• Aaron Green
• DJ Foster

5. Middle Linebacker. CJ is not horrid in coverage. But he's not good either. He's very mediocre. Don't get me wrong. He's amazing at everything else. But we could use a coverage backer at some point in the draft.

• Myles Jack(okay it's not really close here. Jack is easily the best coverage LB I have ever scouted)
• Jaylon Smith
• Scooby Wright III
• Darron Lee
• Reggie Ragland

My mocks will go in here. Obviously way too early for one. But I will upload at least my opinion per new prospect I come across from this point forward...

Edited November 17, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[allblackraven]

At the moment, I have Ogbah at #2 behind Bosa.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I might be wrong, but I thought Davis suited up against Picksburgh and actually had his name get called a few times for good reason

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If I were Ozzie and were to draft people so far I'd honestly go with two edge setting LBs..... Call me crazy, but we need a pass rush BADLY. 

[Inqui]

If I were Ozzie and were to draft people so far I'd honestly go with two edge setting LBs..... Call me crazy, but we need a pass rush BADLY. 

I think it depends on how the board falls - no-one expected Timmy Jernigan to be there at pick 48 or wherever he went there (I wanted Allen Robinson or Davante Adams at that point, but even I wasn't able to argue with pulling the trigger on Jernigan after that kind of fall), and there's no reason to think there won't be another good player who falls further than they should.

[JoeyFlex5]

i like your board and your reasonings, but i think its quite obvious that FS is a bigger need than anything up there except maybe pass rusher. also, zeke elliott is in no way the top RB, hes a 2nd rounder at best.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

i like your board and your reasonings, but i think its quite obvious that FS is a bigger need than anything up there except maybe pass rusher. also, zeke elliott is in no way the top RB, hes a 2nd rounder at best.

Yeah. So is Derrick Henry. No first round RB this year. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Also a good pass rush will mask the issues of a mediocre FS(which Lewis is btw). He was effective in Houston because they had a good pass rush. We don't. And now that our two attack dogs are down we need to replace them. We need a pass rusher bad. And tbh, I think the secondary will be replaced via FA. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah. So is Derrick Henry. No first round RB this year. 

i like derrick henry alot, but not as a first rounder. i personally dont even like elliott as a 2nd or 3rd rounder, i see a decent at best talent on an elite team and a favorable system, hes the emmitt smith of college RBs. i guess you could say the same for henry but i think his ability to bowl over defenders with ease and also his impressive speed-size-power ratios make him a worthy 2nd rounder. 

 

this year with gurley and gordon i think was the first and last time ill see 2 rb's i consider first rounders lol. when jordan howards day comes ill be man crushing him as a first round rb 

[JoeyFlex5]

Also a good pass rush will mask the issues of a mediocre FS(which Lewis is btw). He was effective in Houston because they had a good pass rush. We don't. And now that our two attack dogs are down we need to replace them. We need a pass rusher bad. And tbh, I think the secondary will be replaced via FA. 

idk if we can find a FS via FA, while jalen ramsey looks like the next truly elite FS, the next earl thomas caliber safety, we simply wont find that in FA, nor will we find it really anywhere else, i believe pass rush can be addressed in other ways. i have Ramsey ahead of the major pass rushers, but i do agree that pass rush is such a big need, if we passed on ramsey for floyd or ogbah id be ok with it, but i would prefer trading our 2nd rounder for the following year and the current 3rd to move up from the 2nd round and get Shilique Calhoun after taking Ramsey in the first, i think thats ideal although unlikely.

[allblackraven]

1] Ogbah

2] Joseph

3] Ragland

4] Another edge rusher

 

Everything else can be had later. Take CB in FA (Trumaine Johnson). Not sure how/where to get another good WR. That's how I feel right now.

[Inqui]

idk if we can find a FS via FA, while jalen ramsey looks like the next truly elite FS, the next earl thomas caliber safety, we simply wont find that in FA, nor will we find it really anywhere else, i believe pass rush can be addressed in other ways. i have Ramsey ahead of the major pass rushers, but i do agree that pass rush is such a big need, if we passed on ramsey for floyd or ogbah id be ok with it, but i would prefer trading our 2nd rounder for the following year and the current 3rd to move up from the 2nd round and get Shilique Calhoun after taking Ramsey in the first, i think thats ideal although unlikely.

That's kinda what I'm thinking at this point. I was one of the first to talk up Calhoun, but the more I watch him the more I feel like he's a late-first kinda guy who could theoretically slip to the second. Ramsey and Calhoun as a one-two punch would leave me VERY happy.

 

You're not wrong about there being no good FS players in FA, but I could see us hitting the CB market hard (albeit without seeing who'll be there to know if it's worth it). Iirc the Rice dead money comes off the books after this season too.

[JoeyFlex5]

That's kinda what I'm thinking at this point. I was one of the first to talk up Calhoun, but the more I watch him the more I feel like he's a late-first kinda guy who could theoretically slip to the second. Ramsey and Calhoun as a one-two punch would leave me VERY happy.

 

You're not wrong about there being no good FS players in FA, but I could see us hitting the CB market hard (albeit without seeing who'll be there to know if it's worth it). Iirc the Rice dead money comes off the books after this season too.

it does come off the books but i truly dont see cb as our issue. webb has actually been playing good if you wipe out the first 2 games, now i didnt tune in until the 4th quarter today because i worked all night and forgot to set an alarm, but in the last 6 minutes of the 4th quarter and OT i saw kendrick lewis get beat at least 6 times, and by beat i mean he was late, or wasnt in the area he was supposed to be in at all, this guy literally has no clue what hes doing and i question what the FO saw in him, he is braindead out there, when he has 2 guys running free on the left side with the cb covering the flat he will be smack in the center field 20 yards deep and backpedaling. until we get a FS and a new DC we will never be able to hang with any offense.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'd take Leonard Floyd or Myles Jack in the first round. Give Mosley a running mate and give us a coverage LB we can put on WRs. Or get a potentially elite pass rusher

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd take Leonard Floyd or Myles Jack in the first round. Give Mosley a running mate and give us a coverage LB we can put on WRs. Or get a potentially elite pass rusher

i prefer jaylon smith to myles jack without question. i think jack is a bit overrated and i see him as a SS

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

i prefer jaylon smith to myles jack without question. i think jack is a bit overrated and i see him as a SS

I've watched every snap of Jack's career. If he's going to be a safety he'll be another Kam Chancellor. But he's big enough to play LB and he's more than good enough in coverage and against the run to play MLB or OLB in a 4-3

[allblackraven]

Max Turek out for the rest of this season - torn knee ligaments.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Max Turek out for the rest of this season - torn knee ligaments.

USC is getting screwed over.. Makes me happy. 

 

 

As for Henry, I've done more scouting. His size speed advantage is intriguing but I'd take Zeke over him any day of the week. He's a better receiver and a good pass protector.   

 

i like derrick henry alot, but not as a first rounder. i personally dont even like elliott as a 2nd or 3rd rounder, i see a decent at best talent on an elite team and a favorable system, hes the emmitt smith of college RBs. i guess you could say the same for henry but i think his ability to bowl over defenders with ease and also his impressive speed-size-power ratios make him a worthy 2nd rounder. 

 

this year with gurley and gordon i think was the first and last time ill see 2 rb's i consider first rounders lol. when jordan howards day comes ill be man crushing him as a first round rb 

And Emmit Smith is still a hall of famer who was a very good RB and the NFL's leading rusher all time for a reason. If we get a RB of the caliber of Emmit Smith then I am going to be ecstatic. Especially in the second round.For Henry, in the NFL the LBs will be just as big and fast as he is. He's going to deal with Dline who does not allow those massive holes while Elliot can not only hit holes well but work well with open space. 

[JoeyFlex5]

USC is getting screwed over.. Makes me happy. 

 

 

As for Henry, I've done more scouting. His size speed advantage is intriguing but I'd take Zeke over him any day of the week. He's a better receiver and a good pass protector.   

 

And Emmit Smith is still a hall of famer who was a very good RB and the NFL's leading rusher all time for a reason. If we get a RB of the caliber of Emmit Smith then I am going to be ecstatic. Especially in the second round.For Henry, in the NFL the LBs will be just as big and fast as he is. He's going to deal with Dline who does not allow those massive holes while Elliot can not only hit holes well but work well with open space. 

i didnt say hes a emmitt smith caliber runningback, i said the emmitt smith of college lol. emmitt ran behind one of the greatest OLines of all time, on a generally stacked team and a favorable system that emphasized balance and had strong position groups everywhere. just saying, ezekiel elliott is a product in my eyes, not a legit star RB. 

 

also im sure plenty of people said what you are saying about eddie lacy and plenty of other large and fast RBs coming out of college. just because the level of competition goes up doesnt mean they cant raise their performance as well

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

i didnt say hes a emmitt smith caliber runningback, i said the emmitt smith of college lol. emmitt ran behind one of the greatest OLines of all time, on a generally stacked team and a favorable system that emphasized balance and had strong position groups everywhere. just saying, ezekiel elliott is a product in my eyes, not a legit star RB. 

 

also im sure plenty of people said what you are saying about eddie lacy and plenty of other large and fast RBs coming out of college. just because the level of competition goes up doesnt mean they cant raise their performance as well

No. Lacy had good vision. Henry doesn't. Henry will run through the middle end out eating dust when an absolute beast like Suh or Watt welcomes him to the NFL.  Elliot is better. I've seen product of the systems before. I don't think Elliot is one

Edited October 13, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[allblackraven]

No. Lacy had good vision. Henry doesn't. Henry will run through the middle end out eating dust when an absolute beast like Suh or Watt welcomes him to the NFL.  Elliot is better. I've seen product of the systems before. I don't think Elliot is one

I think you are definitely underrating Henry. He's not just size/speed combo running through open space. He has extreme size and great speed for RB. I don't think he'll have many problems running vs fast NFL linebackers seeing how he routinely outruns DBs. He can create space cutting and breaking tackles. His hands may be underrated, too due to how Bama uses him. I don't know if I would take him in 1st round for the Ravens but he will go in top 32.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I think you are definitely underrating Henry. He's not just size/speed combo running through open space. He has extreme size and great speed for RB. I don't think he'll have many problems running vs fast NFL linebackers seeing how he routinely outruns DBs. He can create space cutting and breaking tackles. His hands may be underrated, too due to how Bama uses him. I don't know if I would take him in 1st round for the Ravens but he will go in top 32.

He's also stiff and he makes poor cuts. He has poor vision, and without a hugely impressive oline I don't trust him. I think he could be a damn good compliment. Not a starter. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If I were to draft right now. I would take Elliot in the second. I don't think he's going to be a star, but I think he's going to be good. He fits the ZBS but would also be effective in other schemes, he has good hands, is a good pass protector, and makes good cuts and has good vision. Those are things that a product of the system simply does not have. He also posseses good paitence. His burst when he hits the hole is supremely impressive, and quite frankly he's smooth.

Not a future superstar. But potentially a damn good running back. He'd fit in like a glove here.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Derrick Henry Player Profile

He's big strong and fast. You may thing there's a lot to like about the guy. You'd be right. He's a good reciever and a good pass protector. But honestly is very overrated as a runner. A common misconception is that his power will translate well to the NFL. At times, especially in short yardage situations, you would be right. But he will probably not be a good feature back in the nfl. He does not make the best cuts due to stiffer hips. Does not appear to have good vision and is not very paitent. He will be a productive player in the NFL. But not a full time starter.

Player Comparison: LaGarrette Blount

A big, strong, fast running back who is not good enough to be a full time starter, but is a deadly weapon as a sledge hammer. A lot better as a reciever as well. But he retains a lot of his qualities.

[JoeyFlex5]

If I were to draft right now. I would take Elliot in the second. I don't think he's going to be a star, but I think he's going to be good. He fits the ZBS but would also be effective in other schemes, he has good hands, is a good pass protector, and makes good cuts and has good vision. Those are things that a product of the system simply does not have. He also posseses good paitence. His burst when he hits the hole is supremely impressive, and quite frankly he's smooth.

Not a future superstar. But potentially a damn good running back. He'd fit in like a glove here.

everything you just said there about elliott, sounds exactly like justin forsett, the ultimate system product. good vision, makes good cuts, has good patience, those are exactly the traits of a system back, a guy who makes good decisions with an elite OL plowing his way down the field, that is by definition a system product. 

 

derrick henry can make his own space, he will still be able to lower his head for some yardage when there is no hole, he will wear down defenders, if he gets a crease then good luck to the db or lb who has to make an open field tackle, the exact opposite traits of a typical system back, a guy who can make his own plays when his OL is having an off day or an off series. 

 

the difference between a guy like justin forsett, and guys like eddie lacy, adrian peterson, leveon bell, jamaal charles, etc. is that those guys are going to succeed no matter where they go, they make their own plays and dont need a favorable system and huge holes from the OL to carry them throughout the season.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

everything you just said there about elliott, sounds exactly like justin forsett, the ultimate system product. good vision, makes good cuts, has good patience, those are exactly the traits of a system back, a guy who makes good decisions with an elite OL plowing his way down the field, that is by definition a system product. 

 

derrick henry can make his own space, he will still be able to lower his head for some yardage when there is no hole, he will wear down defenders, if he gets a crease then good luck to the db or lb who has to make an open field tackle, the exact opposite traits of a typical system back, a guy who can make his own plays when his OL is having an off day or an off series. 

 

the difference between a guy like justin forsett, and guys like eddie lacy, adrian peterson, leveon bell, jamaal charles, etc. is that those guys are going to succeed no matter where they go, they make their own plays and dont need a favorable system and huge holes from the OL to carry them throughout the season.

Except for the fact that I have also said in the past that Elliott in space can make massive plays more than Forsett ever could. He's shifty and smooth and makes excellent cuts in the open field. Forsett does make some good cuts but Elliott is more smooth as a runner and is scheme versitile. At ohio state being effective with both a man blocking formula and ZBS.

And no Henry cannot. He can put his head down, but afterwards he's not going to keep going. Might get an extra yard or two but that's not going to translate all that much. He doesn't really make good cuts. That oline opens it up for him moreso than it does for Zeke. Some of Zeke's tape has him making something out of nothing. Whenever I have seen Henry with no hole, he goes down. His vision is poor(which is VERY important for a running back), and he's not paitent. He's a good blitz protector which will make him useful on third down and he's got good hands.

Elliot is the more complete package. He's smooth. He's faster. He can make places in open space that I've seen that a typical product of the system cannot. He's got power. He's got some varying degree of breakaway speed while being an extremely skilled pass catcher and blocker. He's scheme versitile(which btw. Justin would not do super well in man blocking). He has great vision and paitence.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lastly, on the topic of Zeke.

Hm... Because Forsett makes good(actualy they're not that good), cuts has paitence(not good paitence), good vision so on and so forth that's what makes him a product of the system. No. I give Forsett far little too credit sometimes. He's a product of a good oline. Not a product of a system.

The prerequisite for being a good running back in this league is those things. Cuts pending. AP has all those things. His open field ability also happens to be very impressive. Same goes for Demarco Murray, Lacy, Charles had those things, Gurley has flashed and has those things. What sets them apart is their abilities to make plays in the open field or make something out of nothing. Elliot can do that. Elliot in the open field isn't a home run threat but he's dangerous... He can turn a 2 yard loss into a 10 yard gain.

He's not a product. That's not to say that the talent around him doesn't take pressure off him. But in the NFL most teams will have more talent than that Ohio State offense. Just saying.

[curtis0360]

idk if we can find a FS via FA, while jalen ramsey looks like the next truly elite FS, the next earl thomas caliber safety, we simply wont find that in FA, nor will we find it really anywhere else, i believe pass rush can be addressed in other ways. i have Ramsey ahead of the major pass rushers, but i do agree that pass rush is such a big need, if we passed on ramsey for floyd or ogbah id be ok with it, but i would prefer trading our 2nd rounder for the following year and the current 3rd to move up from the 2nd round and get Shilique Calhoun after taking Ramsey in the first, i think thats ideal although unlikely.

We can afford JPP this year, and tamba hali to help address the pass rush. Jalen Ramsay is the biggest need CHOO CHOO

[curtis0360]

That's kinda what I'm thinking at this point. I was one of the first to talk up Calhoun, but the more I watch him the more I feel like he's a late-first kinda guy who could theoretically slip to the second. Ramsey and Calhoun as a one-two punch would leave me VERY happy.

 

You're not wrong about there being no good FS players in FA, but I could see us hitting the CB market hard (albeit without seeing who'll be there to know if it's worth it). Iirc the Rice dead money comes off the books after this season too.

Eric weddle, but he wants to get paid

[JoeyFlex5]

you make very good points Lost, i just think you may be underrating henry a bit, and i may be underrating zeke a bit as well, ive fell off my bama following a bit this year as i havent had the time or the energy to watch college football on saturdays, im going off of what i saw last year, and from what ive seen of zeke on film he just appears to be a steady "take whats given" type of back to me, ill say hes better than forsett for sure, but im gonna temper that by saying forsett is the epitome of a mediocre back in a good system, and zeke is cut from the same cloth but obviously more physically gifted than forsett.