[News] Late For Work 10/5: Four Reasons Ravens Make Another WR Trade, Potential Candidates

[salamander]

The play prior to the one in which SSS was hit, he caught a pass on the far side of the field and afterwards got up and was jawing at Timmons.  Timmons on the next play made it a point to target Steve Smith Sr and deliberately speared him.  Technically a legal hit.  In baseball, you throw at one of my guys, I will throw at your guy.  Why didn't one of our linemen or why when we play the Steelers the next time doesn't one of our linemen take out his knee.  Turn about is fair play and if that's the way you want to play, we can play that way as well. Legal or illegal, a helmet to the knee will at least sit him for the game. It doesn't have to be a coaching decision and no one should need to tell our guys to do this.  This should be unwritten and I am disappointed one of our guys didn't go ahead and already end Timmons season.

Exactly. That spear to injure SSS didn't come out of nowhere. It was the end result of what transpired before that play.

[rmcjacket23]

The play prior to the one in which SSS was hit, he caught a pass on the far side of the field and afterwards got up and was jawing at Timmons.  Timmons on the next play made it a point to target Steve Smith Sr and deliberately speared him.  Technically a legal hit.  In baseball, you throw at one of my guys, I will throw at your guy.  Why didn't one of our linemen or why when we play the Steelers the next time doesn't one of our linemen take out his knee.  Turn about is fair play and if that's the way you want to play, we can play that way as well. Legal or illegal, a helmet to the knee will at least sit him for the game. It doesn't have to be a coaching decision and no one should need to tell our guys to do this.  This should be unwritten and I am disappointed one of our guys didn't go ahead and already end Timmons season.

And then they do the same thing to one of our guys again and then we do it to them and round and round and round we go..

 

Unwritten rules have always been ridiculously stupid, and the people that follow them always get what they deserve for following them in the long run.

 

He put the crown of his helmet in his back. If we're going to complain about that when one of our guys gets hurt, be prepared to have a TON of our own defensive players getting hurt in retaliation as well, because we are guilty as charged of it as well.

 

Fans need to stop conjuring things out of thin air in order to drum up some sort of self-benefit. Steve looked stupid for calling out the wrong guy, and he looked stupid for being upset about the hit to begin with. He got hit hard and legally, and he got injured because of it. That's the NFL, and Steve's smart enough to know that.

[fusuymada]

And then they do the same thing to one of our guys again and then we do it to them and round and round and round we go..

 

Unwritten rules have always been ridiculously stupid, and the people that follow them always get what they deserve for following them in the long run.

 

He put the crown of his helmet in his back. If we're going to complain about that when one of our guys gets hurt, be prepared to have a TON of our own defensive players getting hurt in retaliation as well, because we are guilty as charged of it as well.

 

Fans need to stop conjuring things out of thin air in order to drum up some sort of self-benefit. Steve looked stupid for calling out the wrong guy, and he looked stupid for being upset about the hit to begin with. He got hit hard and legally, and he got injured because of it. That's the NFL, and Steve's smart enough to know that.

If you think that it doesn't happen then you are ridiculously naïve.  Chop blocks are just as legal as the hit Timmons put on Smith.  Are you saying they would retaliate for a legal hit, then you are justifying our guys doing it and what I said.

Edited October 5, 2015 by fusuymada

[jdynamite]

It would be great if Ozzie could convince Tampa to eat part of Vincent Jackson salary while trading him to us for mid round picks. ( similar to E.Monroe deal when we were cap stricken ).

[Edug27]

I truly feel it's more about the playcalling and execution than the players themselves. We need to put our wideouts in the best positions to succeed and make plays. And that's on Trestman. I know he's working hard to do so.

 

Kamar needs to keep improving each week. There is definitely some potential there. He just needs that fire. He needs that edge. Marlon is who he is at this point. He's just WR depth. Can make a nice play here and there but isn't a player to depend on. Givens can easily take over Camp's spot in the offense. We have some beastly TE's that need to be used more. Crock and Maxx need more snaps together. Especially in the red zone.

 

Take care of the ball. Use better schemes to get our wideouts open. RUN RUN and RUN more.

[Purpleghost23]

we need receivers.

[chuchu707]

ill take lockette! monster on special teams and hes very well in the slot

[ryananth]

You don't get the love for playing literally like one quality half of football in four games.

 

My point exactly...how is a guy who's never played a down being called our top receiver? At least Kamar is out there. You sure you're not confusing him with Marlon?

[rmcjacket23]

If you think that it doesn't happen then you are ridiculously naïve.

Don't care if it happens. Fans think it happens every play, and realistically, it probably doesn't even happen once a month.

 

Just be prepared to get what you wish for, because when fans start down the ludicrous path of playing the "unwritten rules" card, some times you mess with people who don't care about unwritten rules. 

 

1-3 football teams aren't in a position to risk further injury to their own players (and that's exactly what you risk here) to play the revenge game for a legal hit. Its not like us taking out one of the Steelers players is going to be acceptable to them and they'll just be like "o yeah, we're even now". Take out one of their guys intentionally, and o look another one of our guys gets hurt again on a similar play.

 

Literally nothing possible to be gained from this. which is why I don't suspect any of this will ever be addressed again. 

[jdynamite]

Mitchell's response to the hit by Timmons on SSS is saying that he wouldn't spear another player and referred to his "fine history". This pretty much tells us, between the lines, that Mitchell is acknowledging that the Timmons hit on SSS was a deliberate attempt to injure SSS rather than justify or explain away the act of his teammate as incidental. Legal hit but the intent was clearly to injure SSS.

You do realize when Mitchell said "look at my fine history" it was sarcasm because he has a history of helmet to helmet hits and/or fines. He followed that up by saying " I'm more likely to have helmet to helmet ". I'm not sure how you took " fine history " and interpret it as saying his teammate did the deed or glossing over it.

Edited October 6, 2015 by jdynamite

[rmcjacket23]

My point exactly...how is a guy who's never played a down being called our top receiver? At least Kamar is out there. You sure you're not confusing him with Marlon?

Draft status and perceived talent mostly. That often matters more to NFL teams than even actually playing, particularly when you're not playing overly well.

[rmcjacket23]

You do realize when Mitchell said "look at my fine history" it was sarcasm because he has a history of helmet to helmet hits and/or fines. He followed that up by saying " I'm more likely to have helmet to helmet ". I'm not sure how you took " fine history " and interrupted it as saying his teammate did the deed or glossing over it.

But that doesn't fit the narrative of trying to conjure up a controversy out of thin air...

[omar586]

any other trade would happen late October early November, because teams will know if they have chance to make the playoffs or not by then, and will start unloading some players. i think Ozzie will wait until then.

[budman]

Quite honestly a trade will probably be a must. The receivers that we currently have available just take way too long to get open, if they get open at all. Sad but true. Nobody doubts the fact that they can catch, although Marlon Brown does drop a lot of easy catches. the knock on them which if you watch, they just don't get open.

[salamander]

You do realize when Mitchell said "look at my fine history" it was sarcasm because he has a history of helmet to helmet hits and/or fines. He followed that up by saying " I'm more likely to have helmet to helmet ". I'm not sure how you took " fine history " and interrupted it as saying his teammate did the deed or glossing over it.

Nothing glossed over at all and certainly read the helmet to helmet comment about Mitchell's own play history. What I know for sure is that, regardless of the facts or intent on this legal spear hit, the rematch with the Steelers is likely to get ugly.  

[griffrb]

Unfortunately, WR corps needs an overhaul. If we're going to trade for another WR, I hope they go after a proven,explosive game-changer who will become the #1 WR after SSS retires. Gives Perriman time to develop as second fiddle. I know it's against the Oz's way of thinking for the most part but with mid-round picks stocked it's time to make that move that will last for 3-5 years at that position. I don't think they will do it. Aiken and Brown: average but just don't see them developing into game changers - no speed or explosiveness at all in their game. We haven't seen it since they arrived and therefore, it doesn't exit. Go RAVENS!

[Purpleghost23]

You know how they say Quarter Pounder with Cheese on Amterdan? Royal with cheese Lol

[budman]

Unfortunately, WR corps needs an overhaul. If we're going to trade for another WR, I hope they go after a proven,explosive game-changer who will become the #1 WR after SSS retires. Gives Perriman time to develop as second fiddle. I know it's against the Oz's way of thinking for the most part but with mid-round picks stocked it's time to make that move that will last for 3-5 years at that position. I don't think they will do it. Aiken and Brown: average but just don't see them developing into game changers - no speed or explosiveness at all in their game. We haven't seen it since they arrived and therefore, it doesn't exit. Go RAVENS!

You gotta know that Ozzie has been on the phone for days. Problem is that there are no "proven-explosive game changers" out there that are available and that is probably not going to change until the off season.

Edited October 5, 2015 by budman

[trevorsteadman]

Wouldn't be surprised if Steve Smith was probable against the 49ers. And I wouldn't be surprised if it took him a few weeks until our bye week in week 9. Steve Smith is the toughest guy in the NFL, but remember he is 36 years old. I honestly wouldn't play him until week 10, hopefully we can go 3-1 in these next 4 games without him. Forsett needs to play like he did all last season against the Browns on Sunday.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

unfortunately, on a trade for WR... we're pretty limited in cap space which really limits our options for potential trade partners. Tough to find a real game changer with just over $1mill in cap space.

Not sure what the hits are for the suggestions Peter King makes, i imagine he did his homework, but those may be the only real possibilities.

[trevorsteadman]

I am kind of excited to see Waller get more playing time. Yes he is raw and hasn't made too many plays so far, but I think more playing time will benefit him. A long with the young tight ends, they will be seeing a lot of balls thrown their way and all of them need to step up and get open for Flacco. Sometimes those raw guys just have the height and speed to be game changers even if they are not the best route runners. Kelvin Benjamin last year is an example of that. I am not saying that will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if he caught a handful of passes in the coming weeks either.

[RavensFootballFan]

While Ozzie is busy scanning the market and NFL rosters for players, am pretty sure Ozzie's phone is burning up with calls from GMs looking to dump receivers for picks. In early stages like week 4, the asking price is higher because there is still a long season ahead so Ozzie has to wait it out till the right one comes along at the right price. GMs are testing Ozzie's desperation level which is wasted time cause Ozzie hardly ever makes trades that are against the long term interests of the Ravens. Teams are not gonna give the Ravens a top tier receiver for cheap so we have to be patient like Ozzie till the right deal comes along.

[Ravensfansince03]

I don't think the risk-reward outcome is good if we desperately sign/trade for another WR. By risk-reward I mean the risk of limiting cap space for the reward of a WR that will change the game in the absence of Steve Smith/Campanaro. I still think we should give Daniel Brown a shot. I mean the worst that can happen is he gets injured or doesn't perform well, then we'll just end up exactly where were at now except still with money in the bank.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Ravensfansince03

[surfdude]

1st extend Yanda make him a Raven for life free up some cash. 2nd pay Justin Tucker make him highest paid kicker and lock him up. 3rd trade for VINCENT JACKSON.

Flacco point of attack throws and Jackson and ability to get down field would be the perfect fit.

[steelcityraven]

Make the trade! Pull the trigger.... we need it for next year as much as this year too.

[Run Pass Pass Punt]

I am kind of excited to see Waller get more playing time. Yes he is raw and hasn't made too many plays so far, but I think more playing time will benefit him. A long with the young tight ends, they will be seeing a lot of balls thrown their way and all of them need to step up and get open for Flacco. Sometimes those raw guys just have the height and speed to be game changers even if they are not the best route runners. Kelvin Benjamin last year is an example of that. I am not saying that will happen, but I wouldn't be surprised if he caught a handful of passes in the coming weeks either.

Me too, he hasn't had an accurate pass thrown his way yet. Huge catch radius with this kid.

[ryananth]

Trade deadline November 3 for those wondering

[dirtybird66]

WOW! just looked up WR. CHRIS GIVEN'S,he's a burner with huge hand's,could be better then what we have left of the recieving corp's.

[drgeo]

Hey Ozzie, while you are making phone calls see if Chuckie wants to come home again.

[riseNConquer81]

Four reasons for another trade? Kamar Aiken, Marlon Brown, Darren Waller, and Breshad Perriman.

Edited October 5, 2015 by riseNConquer81