Ravens Make the Playoffs? (Merged)

[DefensiveMind]

Other than Hill and Smith, our secondary is trash. Our receivers outside of SSS and occasionally Aiken are trash. Our O Line has been pretty bad, and injuries have killed us. I am looking forward to a top 10 pick for the first time in years so thats a plus. We need to start moving veterans around who are needed by legit teams and get whatever we can for them. 

[K-Dog]

Other than Hill and Smith, our secondary is trash.  

Smith got his butt whooped last week.

[JoeyFlex5]

Have you thought about the message this sends if we sit Flacco? This kind of utilitarian thinking is something I'm very against.

i dont care about message lol. im not saying sit him for the rest of the season, but to play your 120m qb while youre 3/4 of the way through a disatrous season(lets say were 2-10 at the time we decide to sit him) is just reckless. everyone wants to talk about sending a bad message until flacco gets his rotator cuff or his ACL torn while playing in garbage time, everybody would be changing their tune real quick when we start next season with matt schaub. 

 

you can use these rah-rah complaints all you want about how it damages the "character" of the team, but would you rather replace motivation or a former super bowl mvp qb? 

[Guest]

Smith got his butt whooped last week.

 

Actually Jimmy Smith has be abused the entire year.  Until he got nicked up last week Webb was playing better.

 

He did make a heckuva pic vs the broncos.........he's just not what he was.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Danny D

[flynismo]

7 is very optimistic lol

this is how i feel. if this season is completely lost, we have no business putting flacco out there anymore, we KNOW this team is just shy of being a real contender again, we dont need to prove anything and risk our players while doing it. imagine us sitting at 2-10 and flacco goes out there and tears an ACL, then we are in rebuild mode for real. preserve the future of this team, and keep emotions riding high by fielding our young guys and let them go out and play for their job, while at the same time assuring dominance at future positions by allowing us to get a very high draft pick. there is no shame in building for the future rather than getting desperate for 1 more meaningless win

Ignoring the professionalism and pride aspect, it's still a bad idea. Perriman and Crockett will be back soon, and they need as much game time as possible with Flacco to get their timing down and get to know each other. And stringing together a few wins at the end of the year is a great way to enter the off-season with some momentum and positivity

[flynismo]

i dont care about message lol. im not saying sit him for the rest of the season, but to play your 120m qb while youre 3/4 of the way through a disatrous season(lets say were 2-10 at the time we decide to sit him) is just reckless. everyone wants to talk about sending a bad message until flacco gets his rotator cuff or his ACL torn while playing in garbage time, everybody would be changing their tune real quick when we start next season with matt schaub.

you can use these rah-rah complaints all you want about how it damages the "character" of the team, but would you rather replace motivation or a former super bowl mvp qb?

it is far easier to replace either of those than to replace low character and a losing culture

[JoeyFlex5]

Ignoring the professionalism and pride aspect, it's still a bad idea. Perriman and Crockett will be back soon, and they need as much game time as possible with Flacco to get their timing down and get to know each other. And stringing together a few wins at the end of the year is a great way to enter the off-season with some momentum and positivity

your qb going down with an injury in garbage time is not worth some offseason positivity which honestly means nothing at all. the bottom line is, if flacco is playing at the end of the year when we are staring down the barrel of a 6-10 or worse record and he gets a major injury that affects the following season, everyone will be up in arms about flacco playing in garbage time, its true and you know it. also, that positivity is not worth missing out on a desperately needed weapon by 2 picks because we think were too special to go 4-12 so we scratch and claw our way to 6-10. missing the playoffs by a long shot is bad, period, and if were gonna do it, 4-12 is better than 6-10 in my eyes, because that means were brightening our future. you people must just not understand what a top 5 pick in the first 2 rounds can do for this team, jesus god almighty it could parachute us to a top 2 team in the league for the next 5 years with ease. and yall are worried about "pride" in losing, please.

 

 

it is far easier to replace either of those than to replace low character and a losing culture

sitting your qb for a few games to avoid injury and evaluate what talent you have in your 2nd string is not a losing culture, its working towards the future, because we know this team has a future, but what it lacks is a present, lets not damage the future by getting desperate in a present in which there is no saving. 

 

also, a decade and a half of excellence and a winning culture for nearly all of this franchises existence isnt getting wiped out by benching our starter for a couple of weeks in preparation of the future, this is not jacksonville.

[Sami84]

There is no easier position to decline in than CB after  serious injury

 

just tells you what greatness really is..Rod Woodson.

[polynesian15]

Other than Hill and Smith, our secondary is trash. Our receivers outside of SSS and occasionally Aiken are trash. Our O Line has been pretty bad, and injuries have killed us. I am looking forward to a top 10 pick for the first time in years so thats a plus. We need to start moving veterans around who are needed by legit teams and get whatever we can for them. 

Like other have mentioned, Jimmy has been pretty dissapointing in this season thus far. Giving up big plays left and right (to rookies, though our awful FS has to shoulder some of that as well.

Hopefully it's just a post-injury confidence thing that he'll get through, otherwise we've paid yet another massive contract to a bum CB *cough* Webb *sneeze*.

[Sami84]

i told everyone that kendrick lewis was awful but no.. in ozzie we trust..

 

darien stewart was at least average.

 

in ozzie we trust is expired..hes going to have to prove he's still got it as he is living off old drafts.

[flynismo]

your qb going down with an injury in garbage time is not worth some offseason positivity which honestly means nothing at all. the bottom line is, if flacco is playing at the end of the year when we are staring down the barrel of a 6-10 or worse record and he gets a major injury that affects the following season, everyone will be up in arms about flacco playing in garbage time, its true and you know it. also, that positivity is not worth missing out on a desperately needed weapon by 2 picks because we think were too special to go 4-12 so we scratch and claw our way to 6-10. missing the playoffs by a long shot is bad, period, and if were gonna do it, 4-12 is better than 6-10 in my eyes, because that means were brightening our future. you people must just not understand what a top 5 pick in the first 2 rounds can do for this team, jesus god almighty it could parachute us to a top 2 team in the league for the next 5 years with ease. and yall are worried about "pride" in losing, please.

 

 

sitting your qb for a few games to avoid injury and evaluate what talent you have in your 2nd string is not a losing culture, its working towards the future, because we know this team has a future, but what it lacks is a present, lets not damage the future by getting desperate in a present in which there is no saving. 

 

also, a decade and a half of excellence and a winning culture for nearly all of this franchises existence isnt getting wiped out by benching our starter for a couple of weeks in preparation of the future, this is not jacksonville.

 

 

Yeah, some of us do have pride and want to see us do our best week in and week out. Not going to apologize for that, especially when that wasn't even the main points I highlighted to you earlier.

You make it sound as if the only place you can draft a difference maker is in the top 5 of the draft. Refresh my memory -- where was Flacco drafted? Ray? Ed? Was Suggs a top 5 pick? Ngata? Chris McAlister? Jamal? Heap? Rice? Yanda? These are some of the greatest players in Ravens history, no top five pick needed. In fact the last two guys weren't even first rounders.

 

So no, we go out there, teach these young kids like Perriman, Crockett, et al, how to win, let them develop chemistry with their QB, then trust our FO who gave us that decade and a half of excellence to make the right decisions yet again this offseason.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah, some of us do have pride and want to see us do our best week in and week out. Not going to apologize for that, especially when that wasn't even the main points I highlighted to you earlier.

You make it sound as if the only place you can draft a difference maker is in the top 5 of the draft. Refresh my memory -- where was Flacco drafted? Ray? Ed? Was Suggs a top 5 pick? Ngata? Chris McAlister? Jamal? Heap? Rice? Yanda? These are some of the greatest players in Ravens history, no top five pick needed. In fact the last two guys weren't even first rounders.

 

So no, we go out there, teach these young kids like Perriman, Crockett, et al, how to win, let them develop chemistry with their QB, then trust our FO who gave us that decade and a half of excellence to make the right decisions yet again this offseason.

there is little to no pride in losing, if this team bombs an entire season i really wouldnt be offended to see them preparing for the future. once again, if flacco goes down with an injury playing in garbage time, people will be calling for heads.

[ellicottraven]

I have to ask: when will this thread's headline change? Seriously when?

[ravensdfan]

I have to ask: when will this thread's headline change? Seriously when?

When it is mathematically impossible, which it still is not.

 

All this talk of throwing the season. smh.

 

You teach these young guys to go out there, give it 100% and do their best every single game. No matter if the season is done or not. Adversity builds character, strength and makes you work harder to obtain your goals.

 

Giving up to gain something shows a certain amount of entitlement.

[flynismo]

there is little to no pride in losing, if this team bombs an entire season i really wouldnt be offended to see them preparing for the future. once again, if flacco goes down with an injury playing in garbage time, people will be calling for heads.

 

We have rarely taken Flacco out during garbage time anyway. There's a reason for that. Same reason you don't see Manning, Brady or Rodgers getting pulled out of games during garbage time.

People were calling for heads after we won a game lmao...who cares...if Flacco were to get hurt, well, it's part of football, a chance you take every single time you step on the field. It wouldn't be for nothing.

[FlackAttack]

there is little to no pride in losing, if this team bombs an entire season i really wouldnt be offended to see them preparing for the future. once again, if flacco goes down with an injury playing in garbage time, people will be calling for heads.

 

not true at all. maybe some people on this board because they are extremely knee jerk, but the majority of fans (and the team itself), both dont want flacco benched no matter the record, and wouldnt "call for heads" if he got injured, its just the way the game is played.

[FlackAttack]

We have rarely taken Flacco out during garbage time anyway. There's a reason for that. Same reason you don't see Manning, Brady or Rodgers getting pulled out of games during garbage time.

People were calling for heads after we won a game lmao...who cares...if Flacco were to get hurt, well, it's part of football, a chance you take every single time you step on the field. It wouldn't be for nothing.

 

 

benching starting QBs because the team is losing is completely detrimental to the league and the sport, and possibly the silliest thing ive read on this board in a while. tanking on purpose is silly enough, but benching your star players because youre losing??? holy lol

 

these guys play to win sure, but they mainly play because its their job. they are getting paid millions of dollars. if youre having a bad day at the office or your shop isnt producing well, you aren't going to close it up and hope business picks back up. no, youre going to work extra hard and find the constraint and fix it.

 

on top of that. if teams pulled their starting QB because of losing seasons, the NFL would lose viewership by the millions and lose massive amounts of revenue. on top of losing integrity, bad judgment, giving a giant middle finger to your fans, among many other reasons, its just not the way to do business.

[PurpleCity5]

You know....the Steelers began the season 0-4 and rallied to an 8-8 record and were REALLY close to the playoffs. Would have made it if the Chiefs kicker didn't miss the 44yarder against the Chargers as time expired. 

[beanfigger]

your qb going down with an injury in garbage time is not worth some offseason positivity which honestly means nothing at all. the bottom line is, if flacco is playing at the end of the year when we are staring down the barrel of a 6-10 or worse record and he gets a major injury that affects the following season, everyone will be up in arms about flacco playing in garbage time, its true and you know it. also, that positivity is not worth missing out on a desperately needed weapon by 2 picks because we think were too special to go 4-12 so we scratch and claw our way to 6-10. missing the playoffs by a long shot is bad, period, and if were gonna do it, 4-12 is better than 6-10 in my eyes, because that means were brightening our future. you people must just not understand what a top 5 pick in the first 2 rounds can do for this team, jesus god almighty it could parachute us to a top 2 team in the league for the next 5 years with ease. and yall are worried about "pride" in losing, please.

sitting your qb for a few games to avoid injury and evaluate what talent you have in your 2nd string is not a losing culture, its working towards the future, because we know this team has a future, but what it lacks is a present, lets not damage the future by getting desperate in a present in which there is no saving.

also, a decade and a half of excellence and a winning culture for nearly all of this franchises existence isnt getting wiped out by benching our starter for a couple of weeks in preparation of the future, this is not jacksonville.

Elevate our second string talent without Flacco? It's not like we have some rookie unknown at QB who could spark some production with the new guys going forward. We have a veteran backup who everyone knows exactly what he is. At no point in the season should we sit Joe Flacco for Matt Schaub unless he starts blowing games himself for a terrible offense. We have the fourth best scoring offense in the conference right now. There is no logical reason to sit Flacco. Limiting reps for Forsett maybe, or Senior if it wasn't his last year. I see an argument there, but not Flacco. Edited October 14, 2015 by beanfigger

[flynismo]

benching starting QBs because the team is losing is completely detrimental to the league and the sport, and possibly the silliest thing ive read on this board in a while. tanking on purpose is silly enough, but benching your star players because youre losing??? holy lol

 

these guys play to win sure, but they mainly play because its their job. they are getting paid millions of dollars. if youre having a bad day at the office or your shop isnt producing well, you aren't going to close it up and hope business picks back up. no, youre going to work extra hard and find the constraint and fix it.

 

on top of that. if teams pulled their starting QB because of losing seasons, the NFL would lose viewership by the millions and lose massive amounts of revenue. on top of losing integrity, bad judgment, giving a giant middle finger to your fans, among many other reasons, its just not the way to do business.

 

 

yep

[JoeyFlex5]

Elevate our second string talent without Flacco? It's not like we have some rookie unknown at QB who could spark some production with the new guys going forward. We have a veteran backup who everyone knows exactly what he is. At no point in the season should we sit Joe Flacco for Matt Schaub unless he starts blowing games himself for a terrible offense. We have the fourth best scoring offense in the conference right now. There is no logical reason to sit Flacco. Forsett maybe. Senior if it wasn't his last year. I see an argument there, but not Flacco.

im not talking about benching him for the rest of the season people. im saying if this season REALLY continues to tank and we are looking at a 2 to 4 win season, im saying dont risk an injury in the FINAL few weeks, like around week 14 if the season is absolutely down the drain, then protect our future investments by not letting him get hurt.

[FlackAttack]

Elevate our second string talent without Flacco? It's not like we have some rookie unknown at QB who could spark some production with the new guys going forward. We have a veteran backup who everyone knows exactly what he is. At no point in the season should we sit Joe Flacco for Matt Schaub unless he starts blowing games himself for a terrible offense. We have the fourth best scoring offense in the conference right now. There is no logical reason to sit Flacco. Limiting reps for Forsett maybe, or Senior if it wasn't his last year. I see an argument there, but not Flacco.

 

and no one wants to see schaub throwing to perriman when he finally plays. we want to see perriman develop with flacco. benching flacco is such a bad idea lol

[The Mom Gene]

Guys....  please stop the nonsense.... We' re not anywhere near this stuff yet...  And it's gotten silly.  You guys are now trolling each other... 

[beanfigger]

im not talking about benching him for the rest of the season. im saying if this season REALLY continues to tank and we are looking at a 2 to 4 win season, im saying dont risk an injury in the FINAL few weeks, like around week 14 if the season is absolutely down the drain, then protect our future investments by not letting him get hurt.

Doesn't change what I said. I know what you were saying.

[EAP-2K10]

...very unlikely Ravens make the playoffs unless they do some serious roundabout...indeed this will test the fortitude of the players/coaches but most importantly Harbs...let us not forget Harbs inherited the "who let the dogs out defense" which was a major contributor to his success in the early years...its the great coaches that have the ability to succeed when faced with the current situation this team is in...can't wait to see what happens...Let's Go Ravens!

[FlackAttack]

...very unlikely Ravens make the playoffs unless they do some serious roundabout...indeed this will test the fortitude of the players/coaches but most importantly Harbs...let us not forget Harbs inherited the "who let the dogs out defense" which was a major contributor to his success in the early years...its the great coaches that have the ability to succeed when faced with the current situation this team is in...can't wait to see what happens...Let's Go Ravens!

 

^^^^^^ very true. harbaugh did inherit a HUGE asset in that defense. as the talent got too hot to handle, him and ozzie let them leave gradually each year to the point we're at now. and they simply failed to replace said talent.

 

it will be interesting to see how harbaugh copes after this atrocious season, considering hes faced all the other scenarios but this is easily the biggest one. a team with an awful record and no talent and a HUGE reputation of being among the best in the league. it truly is one of his final tests as a HC. will he continue to succeed? only time till tell.

Edited October 15, 2015 by FlackAttack

[RavensRegime]

Anything's possible! Its not how you start, but how you finish! But our schedule is brutal! And as of right now, we cant win a home game! 

[RavensFanMania]

The Ravens are not going to suck for luck. They will continue to play hard until the season is over, whether the playoffs are in reach or not.

[PurpleDoc]

We just lost to 2 horrible teams, Cleveland and San Fran, we'll be lucky if we win another game this season.  Forget the playoffs; with our coaching staff...will never happen.  

[PurpleDoc]

The Ravens are not going to suck for luck. They will continue to play hard until the season is over, whether the playoffs are in reach or not.

But that's the problem...they are not playing hard.  Slow, sluggish on offense, sloppy play, missed tackles, huge amount of penalties.