Ravens Make the Playoffs? (Merged)

[Angry Bird]

There is no magic pill or no special smoke to make the truth and less hurtful. The Ravens S**k. Pure and Simple. So who is to blame? The Owner? Should he have stepped up and made the correct money trades and over ridden the GM or the Coach? Probably not. The the Head Coach? He surly does not have a tight grip on the team. I have never seen such a team with No discipline or any real skill. Lets look at the players. Should they be 100% to blame? Well you see the problem. You can almost blame anyone. My guess is that everyone is to blame. The Head Coach is where the buck stops. The Talent is sub par at best due to many reasons, the biggest is the salary issue. We all know what I am saying here. No need to drop the F bomb. Trestmen has no ingenuity and no creative plays. I have seen better plays on any other team we play. Dan Pee's is done. The secondary coach should be fired today. So we need a total over haul. I would make it 100% understood that if you come to coach in the ravens home. You will be expected to stay and not jump ship again and again and again. All the coaches stay here for a 1 or 2 year stint and leave. No stability here. Ask yourself why the Patriots are so successful? or Why the Steelers are always on the top? Why?? Simple. They have a plan and culture that carries them into every new season. We have a patch work of players and of coaches. Sad to say but they are horrible.   

[curtis0360]

We aren't making the playoffs this year, the sooner you come to accept that, the easier it will be

Already have i made this thread after the steelers game

[rafahash]

I literally don't see it, no matter how hard I try:

 

@Niners -- 50/50

@Cards -- if we don't get blown out, it'll be a miracle... seriously

Chargers -- this team has our number

Jags -- ok... W

Rams -- with Foles at the helm, we have a chance... but that D tho

@Browns -- 50/50

@Fins -- 50/50

Hawks -- likely another home L

Chiefs-- 50/50

Steelers -- L with a healthy Roethlisberger

@Bengals -- L

 

So if you include the Rams game, I see 6 winnable games, but I'm sure the Ravens will lose more than their fair share of those 50/50 games since they can't even beat the Browns at M&T in a must-win.

 

The Jags aren't THAT bad anymore. Their O is playing well.

Edited October 13, 2015 by rafahash

[January J]

I know this is going to be a prevailing sentiment among fans, but I couldn't disagree more and it is going to be a common theme in my posts from here on out. "Packing it in" is never a good approach. Teaching young players how to give up and lose cannot be a part of the lesson plan. 

 

If we wanted to deal a vet or two to get some picks ... that's one thing (but with SSS hurt, I don't know that we have anyone that is worth dealing). You play to win the game ... period. Nothing less than 100% effort must be demanded. Clean up this self-destructive, undisciplined play NOW. Sit anyone that isn't performing, no matter what their salary is and play guys that play like they want to win. 

 

If we do those things - and lose ... fine. Then we get the draft pick we get. Otherwise, taking a dive to get a high pick sets us up for years of turmoil, rather than what could be just a bump in the road.

pay me no mind I'm just sayin things out of pure emotion right now. I know that harbaugh has too much pride to ever do anything like that and I wouldn't support it either. I more so meant just give the rookies more playing time and not try to salvage the season by giving up draft picks. If we get a high draft pick, cool. Let the chips fall where they may.

[Sherly_Tebow]

I think we still have a shot. 11-0, 10-1, or 9-2 to end the year gets us in the playoffs I believe. Obviously 11-0 and 10-1 are unlikely. 9-2, maybe. If we go 9-2, we'd be 10-6. That gets a wild card with the most of the AFC teams off to a slow start. If we go 8-3 to end the year, we go 9-7. That still could be enough to get us in. I don't think 8-8 will be enough. I say we lose to the Cardinals and Seahawks. The Bengals game week 17 will be interesting because they may bench their starters if they do good enough. If they don't bench them, it'll be tough. All I can say is I still have hope. If we heat up at the right time, we can potentially be dangerous, but the D needs to step up, and we need to stay healthy. The offense needs better playcalling and needs to be aggressive. We have the potential. #IBelieve

Edited October 13, 2015 by Sherly_Tebow

[January J]

I think we still have a shot. 11-0, 10-1, or 9-2 to end the year gets us in the playoffs I believe. Obviously 11-0 and 10-1 are unlikely. 9-2, maybe. If we go 9-2, we'd be 10-6. That gets a wild card with the most of the AFC teams off to a slow start. If we go 8-3 to end the year, we go 9-7. That still could be enough to get us in. I don't think 8-8 will be enough. I say we lose to the Cardinals and Seahawks. The Bengals game week 17 will be interesting because they may bench their starters if they do good enough. If they don't bench them, it'll be tough. All I can say is I still have hope. If we heat up at the right time, we can potentially be dangerous, but the D needs to step up, and we need to stay healthy. The offense needs better playcalling and needs to be aggressive. We have the potential. #IBelieve

We have to actually win a game first. And I mean actually win, and not let it come down to the last 30 seconds and rely on the other team to screw up. Before that happens im afraid the word playoffs shouldn't even be spoken. Is it possible? Sure. And if harbaugh turned this team around and got us there he would probably get nominated for coach of the year bc that would be a colossal turn around. If we win the next 3 games we'll talk, for now let's just try to win Sunday and try not to make kaepernick look like joe Montana.

[JoeyFlex5]

would anyone here honestly be surprised if the ravens went full effort and played their starters for 16 games, and went 1-15? i straight up would not be surprised

[Sherly_Tebow]

We have to actually win a game first. And I mean actually win, and not let it come down to the last 30 seconds and rely on the other team to screw up. Before that happens im afraid the word playoffs shouldn't even be spoken. Is it possible? Sure. And if harbaugh turned this team around and got us there he would probably get nominated for coach of the year bc that would be a colossal turn around. If we win the next 3 games we'll talk, for now let's just try to win Sunday and try not to make kaepernick look like joe Montana.

If there's any team that can come back from this, it's the Ravens. I agree, one game at a time is all we can really do, the rest is all speculation. 4-4 at the bye week would look good, but you never know. Even 3-5, there's a chance. It's now or never with this season. Edited October 13, 2015 by Sherly_Tebow

[usmccharles]

would anyone here honestly be surprised if the ravens went full effort and played their starters for 16 games, and went 1-15? i straight up would not be surprised

Yes i would.  For many reasons.  Heres an easy one, we are a single score in every game away from being 5-0.  We have had insanely bad luck, sometimes thats just how the cookie crumbles.

[K-Dog]

would anyone here honestly be surprised if the ravens went full effort and played their starters for 16 games, and went 1-15? i straight up would not be surprised

I would be one step above shocked.

[RavensFanMania]

There is no magic pill or no special smoke to make the truth and less hurtful. The Ravens S**k. Pure and Simple. So who is to blame? The Owner? Should he have stepped up and made the correct money trades and over ridden the GM or the Coach? Probably not. The the Head Coach? He surly does not have a tight grip on the team. I have never seen such a team with No discipline or any real skill. Lets look at the players. Should they be 100% to blame? Well you see the problem. You can almost blame anyone. My guess is that everyone is to blame. The Head Coach is where the buck stops. The Talent is sub par at best due to many reasons, the biggest is the salary issue. We all know what I am saying here. No need to drop the F bomb. Trestmen has no ingenuity and no creative plays. I have seen better plays on any other team we play. Dan Pee's is done. The secondary coach should be fired today. So we need a total over haul. I would make it 100% understood that if you come to coach in the ravens home. You will be expected to stay and not jump ship again and again and again. All the coaches stay here for a 1 or 2 year stint and leave. No stability here. Ask yourself why the Patriots are so successful? or Why the Steelers are always on the top? Why?? Simple. They have a plan and culture that carries them into every new season. We have a patch work of players and of coaches. Sad to say but they are horrible.   

The owner should definitely NOT step  in,  he isn't Dan Snyder...thank god. 

 

The talent is way above sub par at best, we just have a lot of injuries at key spots and are throwing in young guys who were supposed to be 2nd and 3rd string players for depth.  Yes, injuries happen and I'm  not using it as an excuse, but we have pro bowl players at every level of the defense. 

 

I do agree that Deen Pees has to go and the secondary coach needs to be fired.

[RavensFanMania]

If there's any team that can come back from this, it's the Ravens. I agree, one game at a time is all we can really do, the rest is all speculation. 4-4 at the bye week would look good, but you never know. Even 3-5, there's a chance. It's now or never with this season.

Agree there is definitely a chance, but we have to start closing out games starting with San Francisco.

[balfan23]

pay me no mind I'm just sayin things out of pure emotion right now. I know that harbaugh has too much pride to ever do anything like that and I wouldn't support it either. I more so meant just give the rookies more playing time and not try to salvage the season by giving up draft picks. If we get a high draft pick, cool. Let the chips fall where they may.

I got it. There is a difference between giving up on the field vs. abandoning the concept of playing for a win today at the expense of tomorrow. I completely agree that we should not make another move that involves the loss of a draft pick, unless it is for a guy that we know will be here next year or beyond that can be a solid member of the team going forward. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yes i would.  For many reasons.  Heres an easy one, we are a single score in every game away from being 5-0.  We have had insanely bad luck, sometimes thats just how the cookie crumbles.

our secondary is really just that bad, its not bad luck, we are just absolutely pathetic when it comes to defending a lead, we are completely incapable of it right now. and until we can take a lead and stop a drive on our own rather than see the opponent squander the drive with bad playcalling, then i will expect us to not win a game lol 

 

although i wouldnt be surprised if we went 1-15, i doubt it happens

[usmccharles]

our secondary is really just that bad, its not bad luck, we are just absolutely pathetic when it comes to defending a lead, we are completely incapable of it right now. and until we can take a lead and stop a drive on our own rather than see the opponent squander the drive with bad playcalling, then i will expect us to not win a game lol

although i wouldnt be surprised if we went 1-15, i doubt it happens

I never said our secondary wasn't bad, I mean McCown just threw for 450. That being said, every single game we have lost we have been right there, moral victories don't count for anything but it's not like we are getting blown out. I've been a very optimistic person threw all this but after the Cleveland loss, I'm ready to accept it's going to be a lost season, but tanking as some want to say, is not an option in my mind.

[Ravens4Real]

Doesn't matter if we are there or not. We don't get a pass at the end of the year just because we almost won some games. You either win or lose.

Our secondary looks like one of the worse in the league. And who have we even played that is an amazing QB? Please don't say Manning because he's an utter joke this year. What will happen if we face Rodgers, Brady or Big Ben. They will carve us up because we have no pass rush or secondary. Our defense is truly in shambles.

[RaineV1]

would anyone here honestly be surprised if the ravens went full effort and played their starters for 16 games, and went 1-15? i straight up would not be surprised

I think the worst the Ravens go is 3-12. They should still be able to beat the 49ers and the Jags. Now if the Ravens do lose to the 49ers, then yeah I can see them losing out the rest of the season.

[JoeyFlex5]

I never said our secondary wasn't bad, I mean McCown just threw for 450. That being said, every single game we have lost we have been right there, moral victories don't count for anything but it's not like we are getting blown out. I've been a very optimistic person threw all this but after the Cleveland loss, I'm ready to accept it's going to be a lost season, but tanking as some want to say, is not an option in my mind.

i think our definitions of tanking is misunderstood. were not talking about throwing out the strive to win and just purposely laying eggs, its about evaluating what we have in house, protecting our starters, etc. if we are 2-10 or something like that, then we better not be fielding flacco out there just waiting for an injury. guys like jimmy, wagner, monroe, forsett, mosley, daryl, jernigan etc etc need to see the bench for about 3/4 of the remainder of the season, it allows us to evaluate guys like terrence brooks, tray walker, carl davis, arthur brown, buck allen/LT, jensen, urschel while also making sure our starters come back next year without having to spend the offseason rehabbing injuries, coming back full strength and letting us cull the herd a bit, make roster room by getting rid of the backups who are totally incapable of stepping in when needed and finding better depth, finding future stars, stuff like that. hell if we find a stud at LB or OL or RB or something we can cut a big money starter and clear up some cap space, we'll never know unless we try, its also probably alot easier to get these young guys motivated to play with some fire when they are out there playing for a job, older veterans that are just trying to wrap up a losing season are gonna be playing with their future in mind, the youngins are gonna be laying it all out there.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think the worst the Ravens go is 3-12. They should still be able to beat the 49ers and the Jags. Now if the Ravens do lose to the 49ers, then yeah I can see them losing out the rest of the season.

i dont think we actually go 1-15 im just saying with our secondary it wouldnt surprise me. i still think we finish around 5-11 or 4-12

[RavensFanMania]

i dont think we actually go 1-15 im just saying with our secondary it wouldnt surprise me. i still think we finish around 5-11 or 4-12

In turn that would be a pretty high draft pick.  I think they muster out 6 or 7, although I'm not sure how at this point.

[PurpleCity5]

In turn that would be a pretty high draft pick.  I think they muster out 6 or 7, although I'm not sure how at this point.

Hey, if worse comes to worse just remember one thing....

[Sami84]

guys..its actually not a bad thing to be so close in games and to end up with a top 5 pick. means all we need to do is get a BIT better.

 

With more cap space and top drat picks i see NO reason to try and get a pick outside the top 5. I wouldnt feel any better being 4-12 over being 1-12.it means nothing..

 

get the top pick..some cap space and make names with it. we have some v good pieces

 

oh goodbye webb..the worst contract in a while..never again should ozzie pay guys who are injured or 1 year stars.

[GrimCoconut]

guys..its actually not a bad thing to be so close in games and to end up with a top 5 pick. means all we need to do is get a BIT better.

 

With more cap space and top drat picks i see NO reason to try and get a pick outside the top 5. I wouldnt feel any better being 4-12 over being 1-12.it means nothing..

 

get the top pick..some cap space and make names with it. we have some v good pieces

 

oh goodbye webb..the worst contract in a while..never again should ozzie pay guys who are injured or 1 year stars.

I actually agree with you here. We're not really that far off. It's just we're relying a ton on our young talent and it's obvious that they're making stupid decisions causing these penalties, which is a BIG part of our struggles. And there's no reason not to try to do better than the worst overall position in the NFL. Nobody wants to be the worst team in the league. That's embarrassing. 

 

It may be time to part ways with Webb. It's not that I dislike him, but I don't know how he keeps getting hurt. There comes a point where you have to wonder if he just doesn't like football, got his money, and now he's always "hurt" in some way. He came into camp overweight, for some strange reason, and never really got where he needed to be. He wasn't doing bad, and I don't think he's bad, but his play isn't worth his pay.

[Sami84]

I actually agree with you here. We're not really that far off. It's just we're relying a ton on our young talent and it's obvious that they're making stupid decisions causing these penalties, which is a BIG part of our struggles. And there's no reason not to try to do better than the worst overall position in the NFL. Nobody wants to be the worst team in the league. That's embarrassing. 

 

It may be time to part ways with Webb. It's not that I dislike him, but I don't know how he keeps getting hurt. There comes a point where you have to wonder if he just doesn't like football, got his money, and now he's always "hurt" in some way. He came into camp overweight, for some strange reason, and never really got where he needed to be. He wasn't doing bad, and I don't think he's bad, but his play isn't worth his pay.

 

at some point in history, every team will be a worst team in the league record wise. its unavoidable. 

[JoeyFlex5]

In turn that would be a pretty high draft pick.  I think they muster out 6 or 7, although I'm not sure how at this point.

7 is very optimistic lol

 

guys..its actually not a bad thing to be so close in games and to end up with a top 5 pick. means all we need to do is get a BIT better.

 

With more cap space and top drat picks i see NO reason to try and get a pick outside the top 5. I wouldnt feel any better being 4-12 over being 1-12.it means nothing..

 

get the top pick..some cap space and make names with it. we have some v good pieces

 

oh goodbye webb..the worst contract in a while..never again should ozzie pay guys who are injured or 1 year stars.

this is how i feel. if this season is completely lost, we have no business putting flacco out there anymore, we KNOW this team is just shy of being a real contender again, we dont need to prove anything and risk our players while doing it. imagine us sitting at 2-10 and flacco goes out there and tears an ACL, then we are in rebuild mode for real. preserve the future of this team, and keep emotions riding high by fielding our young guys and let them go out and play for their job, while at the same time assuring dominance at future positions by allowing us to get a very high draft pick. there is no shame in building for the future rather than getting desperate for 1 more meaningless win

[RaineV1]

I don't think sitting Flacco is a good idea. If nothing else we can let Perriman and Flacco get some chemistry going before the season is over. Also, it's good to try to get the young players to still do their best even when the team's record is bad. It'll be hard to tell someone like Carl Davis or Maxx Williams that they should still play all out to try to win when the team is sitting the starting QB because the games aren't worth it.

[GrimCoconut]

7 is very optimistic lol

this is how i feel. if this season is completely lost, we have no business putting flacco out there anymore, we KNOW this team is just shy of being a real contender again, we dont need to prove anything and risk our players while doing it. imagine us sitting at 2-10 and flacco goes out there and tears an ACL, then we are in rebuild mode for real. preserve the future of this team, and keep emotions riding high by fielding our young guys and let them go out and play for their job, while at the same time assuring dominance at future positions by allowing us to get a very high draft pick. there is no shame in building for the future rather than getting desperate for 1 more meaningless win

Have you thought about the message this sends if we sit Flacco? This kind of utilitarian thinking is something I'm very against. Edited October 13, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[K-Dog]

Sit Flacco the rest of the season.

 

Its official, these boards are crazy.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Jeez... No. No no no no no no no no no.

Why would we? That's not worth it?

You give your best every time as a team. Flacco does, even if he has a bad day he genrally tries.

Edited October 14, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[DefensiveMind]

No we WONT...