Ravens acquire Chris Givens from Rams

[polynesian15]

the key is to see how well they restructure joe flacco's contract. Heck maybe take a paycut. if we can do a good job there, we could be looking at 34 million plus in cap space before resignings 

I like Joe but I honestly hope he wants to take a pay cut himself. We can't pay him Rodgers/Brady with his performance as it is at the moment - he's being out played by the likes of Dalton, Carr and maybe even Tyrod. I know people will say, "he's got no weapons" and all that jazz, but that doesn't always explain his (mental/concentration) errors.

Take a slight cut Joe, so they can maintain a strong O-line for you and supply you with weapons... or make me eat crow and start playing like you did during the SB run - then I'm all for paying him the big bucks.

[Sami84]

I like Joe but I honestly hope he wants to take a pay cut himself. We can't pay him Rodgers/Brady with his performance as it is at the moment - he's being out played by the likes of Dalton, Carr and maybe even Tyrod. I know people will say, "he's got no weapons" and all that jazz, but that doesn't always explain his (mental/concentration) errors.

Take a slight cut Joe, so they can maintain a strong O-line for you and supply you with weapons... or make me eat crow and start playing like you did during the SB run - then I'm all for paying him the big bucks.

 

i agree. Joe and his notorious agent though (linta) don't seem to be the types who would ever accept a paycut.

[Cillmatic]

i agree. Joe and his notorious agent though (linta) don't seem to be the types who would ever accept a paycut.

They want elite money for routinely average play.

[stampedehero]

SSS can will himself to play.  He is another version of Ray.  He hates to lose and he certainly hates to watch from the sidelines.  If the conditions were only for him he would play after a short rehab schedule.  The management decides if SSS starts.

 

This on coming game will be interesting as the team needs that second win and the Browns are hard to demolish. I would lean on the TE sets, JF & Tal and hope Givens gives us success under critical 3rd and long scenarios along with Aikens.

 

Does anyone here think Waller and Brown can improve their game?  Considering what happened, these two have to earn their place.

[stampedehero]

Considering how long we took to use Babin, maybe we will see givens in a month or so. We should of just made a trade for a proven player

I thought so as well judged on Babin but realized Will Davis came in and played like a Raven.  The question is...  Can Givens give us what we need like Davis just did?.  

[stampedehero]

They want elite money for routinely average play.

Cim...I agree  Its the contract not necessarily the level of play.  The resume leads to that QB ellte money and our team rewarded Joe with 23 mil guareenteed.

[jazz1988]

They want elite money for routinely average play.

 

A quarterback can constantly put  up constant elite numbers in the regular season but if they can't do the same  in the playoff then how does those regular season performances matter? . Of course they should  get paid for their great play but I honestly rather have a quarterback that's not going to fold in the playoff rather than a elite regular season player.

[Cillmatic]

A quarterback can constantly put up constant elite numbers in the regular season but if they can't do the same in the playoff then how does those regular season performances matter? . Of course they should get paid for their great play but I honestly rather have a quarterback that's not going to fold in the playoff rather than a elite regular season player.

What QB in the league is good in the regular season but bad in the playoffs? Besides manning on occasion I can't think of One.

[Moderator 3]

What QB in the league is good in the regular season but bad in the playoffs? Besides manning on occasion I can't think of One.

Dalton, Ryan.

[BmoreBird22]

What QB in the league is good in the regular season but bad in the playoffs? Besides manning on occasion I can't think of One.

Andy Dalton

[BmoreBird22]

Dalton, Ryan.

Ryan did really well in his last playoff run... they just aren't getting their often. Joe took a little time to get going and it looks like Ryan had reached that point, but we may never know for sure

[Cillmatic]

Dalton, Ryan.

Daltons never good. It's his team that makes him look good against average teams, in the playoffs they get forced to play great teams and his true skill reveals itself.

Ryan? Come on.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

We'll probably pick up at least one player in FA too, irrespective of our draft plans. I'm surprised that hasn't been brought up yet.

If we're looking strictly at the guys who are free agents right now and not who may become a free agent, I'd take a guy like Perry or Hali in free agency and draft a top receiver because the receiver group outside of Jeffery just looks like a bunch of twos and threes, at best.

Now, if a guy like VJax became available, I'd like to see him in the purple and black. Big, tall deep threat would be nice

[BmoreBird22]

Daltons never good. It's his team that makes him look good against average teams, in the playoffs they get forced to play great teams and his true skill reveals itself.

Ryan? Come on.

Have you seen Dalton this season? I'm pretty sure you're the one who likes QBR. Dalton has one of over 80 this season

[Cillmatic]

Have you seen Dalton this season? I'm pretty sure you're the one who likes QBR. Dalton has one of over 80 this season

Look at who he's played:

Oakland

Chargers

Ravens

None of those teams are playoff of contenders this year, only one might be .500 at the end of the season. None of them had good defenses either. His team makes him look good against average teams. Come playoffs he'll be exposed like he has every time. Also, my ONLY use of QBR was to show that the OFFENSE as a whole was failing, which it was.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

Look at who he's played:

Oakland

Chargers

Ravens

None of those teams are playoff of contenders this year, only one might be .500 at the end of the season. None of them had good defenses either. His team makes him look good against average teams. Come playoffs he'll be exposed like he has every time.

And that's our point- he plays really well in the regular season, for the most part, but crumbles in the playoffs

[BmoreBird22]

This myth that Flacco deserves to be paid elite money just because he does well in the playoffs is asinine to me. If Flacco deserves a $120 million dollar contract then someone like Luck, Romo and Brady deserve $220 million. They play great all the time.

If they deserve $220M contracts, Joe deserves a Dez or a Gronk

[Cillmatic]

And that's our point- he plays really well in the regular season, for the most part, but crumbles in the playoffs

"Really well" players and good players aren't the same thing.

"Facing the Cleveland Browns on November 6, Dalton had one of the worst performances by a quarterback in the history of the NFL. He completed 10 of 33 passes for 86 total yards with three interceptions to earn a 2.0 passer rating. On December 22, Dalton threw two touchdowns and an interception to help the Bengals clinch a playoff berth for the fourth straight year, a franchise record."

Dalton's who we all thought he was he minute he got drafted, a good game manager on a very good team. Come the playoffs When it's time for the QB to step up he doesn't do it, because he can't. Flacco>>>>Dalton

Edited October 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Cillmatic]

If they deserve $220M contracts, Joe deserves a Dez or a Gronk

He's got a Steve. Top 10 WR in the league when he's hot. I know it's not quite on par but it's a piece.

Crazy how this thread become a QB debate.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

"Really well" players and good players aren't the same thing.

That doesn't even make sense... that's not even what I said. I'm done arguing if you're going to be so set and have tunnel vision.

And by the way, Luck had thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in every single postseason he's played in and he's got 5 touchdowns to 7 interceptions this season without a single game with more touchdowns than interceptions this season

And that comes from probably the biggest Luck fan here. But don't spew out thongs without at least checking some stats first to have a general idea of what you're talking about

[Cillmatic]

That doesn't even make sense... that's not even what I said. I'm done arguing if you're going to be so set and have tunnel vision.

And by the way, Luck had thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in every single postseason he's played in and he's got 5 touchdowns to 7 interceptions this season wilthout a single game with more touchdowns than interceptions this season

And that comes from probably the biggest Luck fan here. But don't spew out thongs without at least checking some stats first to have a general idea of what you're talking about

What is the point behind spewing the Luck playoff stat? To say he's not good in the postseason? I don't think it's that simple.

Did you not say "And that's our point- he plays really well in the regular season, for the most part, but crumbles in the playoffs"?

Edited October 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

He's got a Steve. Top 10 WR in the league when he's hot. I know it's not quite on par but it's a piece.

Crazy how this thread become a QB debate.

I imagine it gets moved to the Flacco thread, but I'd easily take...

Bryant

Green

J. Jones

Thomas

Jeffery

Megatron

Brown

Beckham Jr.

Nelson

Cobb

Fitzgerald

Sanders

K. Allen

Watkins

That's just naming a few, but if all were healthy and on a level playing field, that's at least 10-15 guys I'd take over 36 year old Steve Smith

[BmoreBird22]

What is the point behind spewing the Luck playoff stat? To say he's not good in the postseason? I don't think it's that simple.

Did you not say "And that's our point- he plays really well in the regular season, for the most part, but crumbles in the playoffs"?

Luck doesn't have a good supporting cast- it was horrendous when he came into the league- and he's still got a revolving offensive line, but he's got a real bad tendency to try to do too much and forces way too many throws. He's a big part of the problem

[Cillmatic]

I imagine it gets moved to the Flacco thread, but I'd easily take...

Bryant

Green

J. Jones

Thomas

Jeffery

Megatron

Brown

Beckham Jr.

Nelson

Cobb

Fitzgerald

Sanders

K. Allen

Watkins

That's just naming a few, but if all were healthy and on a level playing field, that's at least 10-15 guys I'd take over 36 year old Steve Smith

I don't know about Cobb, Watkins, Allen, or Nelson. Steve a perfect fit for this team, the tenacity he shows and how he handles himself is really unique. I don't know if many WR' could pull off that crazy TD he got vs. the Bengals. He unique IMO.

Also sanders is Overrated. PS remember he did this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMCoUVY14C8

Edited October 4, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Cillmatic]

Luck doesn't have a good supporting cast- it was horrendous when he came into the league- and he's still got a revolving offensive line, but he's got a real bad tendency to try to do too much and forces way too many throws. He's a big part of the problem

Defense has sucked for years appearently

O-line is balls reincarnated

Coach is hated

ZERO run game for years.

I don't blame Luck much

[BmoreBird22]

I don't know about Cobb, Watkins, Allen, or Nelson. Steve a perfect fit for this team, the tenacity he shows and how he handles himself is really unique. I don't know if many WR' could pull off that crazy TD he got vs. the Bengals. He unique IMO.

Also sanders is Overrated. PS remember he did this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMCoUVY14C8

If they were all healthy and all things were equal, I'd 100% take Allen and Nelson over Steve. Cobb basically is a younger Steve. And Watkins has that pure talent to be one of the elites, he just hasn't been healthy or in a gold quarterback situation.

Sanders may have been a punk, but he's been tearing it up this season. Pretty sure he leads the NFL in third down catches that went for a first down

[BmoreBird22]

Defense has sucked for years appearently

O-line is balls reincarnated

Coach is hated

ZERO run game for years.

I don't blame Luck much

Sounds like Flacco's 2013 and this year, minus the hated coach. Somehow we're cutting Luck more slack than Flacco

[Tank 92]

I don't know about Cobb, Watkins, Allen, or Nelson. Steve a perfect fit for this team, the tenacity he shows and how he handles himself is really unique. I don't know if many WR' could pull off that crazy TD he got vs. the Bengals. He unique IMO.

Also sanders is Overrated. PS remember he did this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMCoUVY14C8

SSS has been a good fit. But as well as he has played, he's also disappeared for periods and also failed to perform at critical times. Dude is old and his physical abilities have declined. I'd take most on that list over Smitty.

[Moderator 3]

Reminder: this thread is 1) about the Baltimore Ravens, not other teams and 2) about trading for a WR.

Thank you.

[jazz1988]

SSS has been a good fit. But as well as he has played, he's also disappeared for periods and also failed to perform at critical times. Dude is old and his physical abilities have declined. I'd take most on that list over Smitty.

 

I think he plays quite amazing for his age but sometimes I wonder if fans perception of players are clouded once they know the age of the player. Not saying Steve Smith is elite but  he definitely not playing like 36 year old receiver.