Ravens acquire Chris Givens from Rams

[Runnin Raven]

Well the fact that he's got speed, experience, is hungry, has a chip on his shoulder (potato, lol), is in a contract year, and has Joe throwin him the deep ball now...I'm just excited to see him play.

[Cillmatic]

Kid is still green but has the speed to make the browns play deep this game, which should give our TE and bigger WRs some space underneath to work. Even a short pass with this kid given the right defense can go yard. I like the deal so far, hope it works out in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YIgg5YMcjw

Wow, can't tell by the way he runs but that dude can is FAST. We need that. Based off of that play and Sherman play he need to be a starter for Sunday.

[rmcjacket23]

And Romo?  Still hasn't rid himself of that in my opinion.  He won "A" playoff game.  Not giving him the love at all yet.  He puts up a lot of those fancy stat numbers BECAUSE he has had those weapons, not because he's great.

That's because the stigma he had was never real to begin with.

 

Statistically, he's arguably the best 4th quarter QB in the entire NFL. Fans like to judge QBs based on playoff wins, but he hasn't had many playoff opportunities to begin with (a team problem) and winning playoff games is about as team oriented as it gets.

 

Was always a false stigma.

[RaineV1]

If Givens plays with a chip on his shoulder after being traded and shows some ability at getting separation he could easily become the number 1 receiver while SSS is hurt.

[Raven'evermore]

And Romo?  Still hasn't rid himself of that in my opinion.  He won "A" playoff game.  Not giving him the love at all yet.  He puts up a lot of those fancy stat numbers BECAUSE he has had those weapons, not because he's great.

 

 If he wasn't playing for the cowboys, he wouldn't even be notable.  Guess being a quarterback for Dallas gives instant credibility no matter how mediocre you are. 

[rmcjacket23]

 If he wasn't playing for the cowboys, he wouldn't even be notable.  Guess being a quarterback for Dallas gives instant credibility no matter how mediocre you are. 

Statistically, far from mediocre.

 

If he weren't playing for the Cowboys, its possible he'd be playing on a team with a better defense and better personnel, in which case he might have already a quality lost of playoff victories and possibly even a SB ring.

[-Truth-]

Statistically, far from mediocre.

If he weren't playing for the Cowboys, its possible he'd be playing on a team with a better defense and better personnel, in which case he might have already a quality lost of playoff victories and possibly even a SB ring.

I'd have to agree in that he hasn't been remotely close to mediocre throughout his career. If anything, being a Dallas QB comes with more scrutiny.

Edited October 8, 2015 by -Truth-

[PurpleCity5]

I'm excited for Givens, we need a playmaker really badly. Hopefully he resurrects his career here.

[Raven'evermore]

Statistically, far from mediocre.

 

If he weren't playing for the Cowboys, its possible he'd be playing on a team with a better defense and better personnel, in which case he might have already a quality lost of playoff victories and possibly even a SB ring.

 

 If only stats won playoff games that would matter, but they don't. Past QBs that played for Dallas were known for getting their team to the playoffs or at the least be a consistent contender.  As far as being on another team; well you could say that about other QBs as well. Who knows for sure how well he or they would've done, but considering how much attention he gets from the press, I don't think he's anything special. JMO. 

[The Mom Gene]

That's because the stigma he had was never real to begin with.

 

Statistically, he's arguably the best 4th quarter QB in the entire NFL. Fans like to judge QBs based on playoff wins, but he hasn't had many playoff opportunities to begin with (a team problem) and winning playoff games is about as team oriented as it gets.

 

Was always a false stigma.

Most times the entire reason they hadn't gone to the playoffs was his inability to convert/win in December. Look at his December  stats.

[The Mom Gene]

For many, It's about wins and losses, not fancy statistics....

[rmcjacket23]

 If only stats won playoff games that would matter, but they don't. Past QBs that played for Dallas were known for getting their team to the playoffs or at the least be a consistent contender.  As far as being on another team; well you could say that about other QBs as well. Who knows for sure how well he or they would've done, but considering how much attention he gets from the press, I don't think he's anything special. JMO. 

Nope, stats don't. Teams do. 

 

Notice how TEAMS win playoff games, and QBs don't. Past QBs who played for the Cowboys and done that, such as Aikman and Staubach, also, obviously, had a gigantic talent gap in the players they played with vs the players Romo played with.

 

He gets attention from the press because he plays for the most prominent franchise in the NFL (arguably in sports in general) that has a gigantic national fanbase. When that happens, there's generally only two sides... love them or hate them.

[Runnin Raven]

I hate the Cowboys.  Let's talk about Chris Givens.

[rmcjacket23]

Most times the entire reason they hadn't gone to the playoffs was his inability to convert/win in December. Look at his December  stats.

I did... did you?

 

They're quite impressive if you ask me... I suggest you look at them.

 

For some perspective, lets compare him to a certain Ravens QB who is considered to be "clutch"...

 

Romo in December: 64% comp pct, 225 yards/game, 60 TDs, 28 INTs in 37 games

Flacco in December: 58% comp pct, 202 yards/game, 42 TDs, 27 INTs in 29 games

 

Now, me personally, I'm never a big fan of the whole "but he's better in December argument", because if we are going to only judge QBs by wins and losses, then we shouldn't care what month they came in. A win in September counts the exact same as a win in December.

 

So, me personally, I prefer a more realistic "clutch" metric, such as how QBs perform when their team is tied or trailing with 4 minutes or less in the game. And what do you know...

 

Romo: 62% comp pct, 2,607 yards, 18 TDs, 10 INTs

Flacco: 58% comp pct, 1,477 yards, 10 TDs, 7 INTs

[Tank 92]

I hate the Cowboys.  Let's talk about Chris Givens.

 

 

Thank You

[The Mom Gene]

Thank You

Yup... the conversation got hijacked, (and I'll take my part in the responsibility of it), but the sad part is I was trying to make the point that our guy is a WINNER... and despite never having a #1.  HE WINS despite not having fancy stats...  This guy is just a better weapon for him... 

[Raven'evermore]

Nope, stats don't. Teams do. 

 

Notice how TEAMS win playoff games, and QBs don't. Past QBs who played for the Cowboys and done that, such as Aikman and Staubach, also, obviously, had a gigantic talent gap in the players they played with vs the players Romo played with.

 

He gets attention from the press because he plays for the most prominent franchise in the NFL (arguably in sports in general) that has a gigantic national fanbase. When that happens, there's generally only two sides... love them or hate them.

 

 Agree with everything said.  However, QBs take whatever talent their given on the field, build chemistry, utilize that talent and lead their team the best and furthest they can.  Perhaps some put too much on their own shoulders and count too much on themselves instead of becoming the general their team needs or just aren't made that way. I don't know. 

 

 That was my point.  His popularity comes a lot from being a cowboy. Not from being a great quarterback. Done, but feel free to respond. 

 

Sorry.

Edited October 9, 2015 by The Mom Gene
Let's not respond... And get back on topic.

[Raven'evermore]

 Watching tape of Givens reminds me a lot of Tyler Lockett.  Close to same size with quick burst of speed.  Able to put separation between them and defender. 

[GrimCoconut]

 Watching tape of Givens reminds me a lot of Tyler Lockett.  Close to same size with quick burst of speed.  Able to put separation between them and defender. 

Huh? Lockett is listed as 5-10, 182lbs & Chris Givens is 6-0, 203lbs. They're not at all the same size. 

[codizzle]

Watching tape of Givens reminds me a lot of Tyler Lockett. Close to same size with quick burst of speed. Able to put separation between them and defender.

Na not really

[Raven'evermore]

Huh? Lockett is listed as 5-10, 182lbs & Chris Givens is 6-0, 203lbs. They're not at all the same size. 

 

 I googled Givens at 194lbs.  Maybe old info. Was actually talking close in height.  2" difference. 

[GrimCoconut]

I googled Givens at 194lbs. Maybe old info. Was actually talking close in height. 2" difference.

Eh I don't know if I agree that a 5-10 WR is considered close in height to a 6-0 WR. Don't get me wrong; I understand why you say that, but usually WR 6 and above are seen as bigger guys.

[-Truth-]

Eh I don't know if I agree that a 5-10 WR is considered close in height to a 6-0 WR. Don't get me wrong; I understand why you say that, but usually WR 6 and above are seen as bigger guys.

 

Givens could've grown a slight since the combine, but Givens and Lockett measured at 5 feet, 11.1 inches and 5 feet, 9.7 inches, respectively. It could be closer to a one inch advantage. However, generally speaking, two inches is a significant difference at WR in my opinion. Givens also outweighed him by almost 20 lbs when they were coming out. I've seen his weight be listed at several amounts, but he looks closer to 200+ on film. I personally don't see it as a proper comparison based on their tape.

Edited October 9, 2015 by -Truth-

[FlackAttack]

tyler lockett and chris givens are two completely different types of receivers

[GrimCoconut]

Givens could've grown a slight since the combine, but Givens and Lockett measured at 5 feet, 11.1 inches and 5 feet, 9.7 inches, respectively. It could be closer to a one inch advantage. However, generally speaking, two inches is a significant difference at WR in my opinion. Givens also outweighed him by almost 20 lbs when they were coming out. I've seen his weight be listed at several amounts, but he looks closer to 200+ on film. I personally don't see it as a proper comparison based on their tape.

Huh, interesting. Where did you get this information? I just looked at the teams' respective websites (Seahawks & Ravens) & went off of that. I do remember Lockett measuring 5-9, however, now that you mention it. Perhaps the 6-0 is simply the team being generous & rounding up. You know how teams like to be generous! Lol

 

It's still a sizable (see what I did there?) difference, especially considering muscle mass. I also agree that their styles are very different. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Eh I don't know if I agree that a 5-10 WR is considered close in height to a 6-0 WR. Don't get me wrong; I understand why you say that, but usually WR 6 and above are seen as bigger guys.

considering mark clayton was 5'10" and perriman is 6' i definitely think 2 inches makes a difference for sure

[-Truth-]

Huh, interesting. Where did you get this information? I just looked at the teams' respective websites (Seahawks & Ravens) & went off of that. I do remember Lockett measuring 5-9, however, now that you mention it. Perhaps the 6-0 is simply the team being generous & rounding up. You know how teams like to be generous! Lol

 

It's still a sizable (see what I did there?) difference, especially considering muscle mass. I also agree that their styles are very different. 

 

I went to NFLDraftScout.com. It's part of CBS Sports, and it gives the exact figures for the combine and pro days with regards to height, weight, etc. Their 40 yard dash times are sometimes subjective, for the pro days at least. That being said, they've been spot on with regards to size from what I've seen. I've used the site as a reference point for a number of years now. The teams absolutely do love to be generous. lol Well done, good pun. Glad to hear that we're on the same page.

[JoeyFlex5]

I went to NFLDraftScout.com. It's part of CBS Sports, and it gives the exact figures for the combine and pro days with regards to height, weight, etc. Their 40 yard dash times are sometimes subjective, for the pro days at least. That being said, they've been spot on with regards to size from what I've seen. I've used the site as a reference point for a number of years now. The teams absolutely do love to be generous. lol Well done, good pun. Glad to hear that we're on the same page.

yeah, im a big fan of cbssports regarding the draft and small name free agents, its my first stop for research

[Raven'evermore]

Eh I don't know if I agree that a 5-10 WR is considered close in height to a 6-0 WR. Don't get me wrong; I understand why you say that, but usually WR 6 and above are seen as bigger guys.

 

 See your point.

[-Truth-]

yeah, im a big fan of cbssports regarding the draft and small name free agents, its my first stop for research

 

Likewise and that's good to hear.