2016 O-Linemen thread

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

You're right that rookie CBs tend to take time to develop, but I think I'd bet anything immaterial here that we take a CB with one of our first three picks. 

I hope not!! Cornerback will front the softest impact for the season. Especially a project. If ravens want to compete for a trophy this year I do not want a cornerback drafted. Trade for a good cornerback several games into the season that will have a young explosive edge rusher behind him and a 3down ilb to take the intermediate routes. The only cornerback in think could remotely compete year one has drama issues and ravens likely will not consider him  round2.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I hope not!! Cornerback will front the softest impact for the season. Especially a project. If ravens want to compete for a trophy this year I do not want a cornerback drafted. Trade for a good cornerback several games into the season that will have a young explosive edge rusher behind him and a 3down ilb to take the intermediate routes. The only cornerback in think could remotely compete year one has drama issues and ravens likely will not consider him  round2.

It's more than a 1 year game.  CB is a need now and for the future.

[Brandon Grist]

We Could Trade Back In The First With The Eagles To Stockpile Picks An Draft A Stud Left Tackle In Jack Conklin

[rmw10]

36 minutes ago, Brandon Grist said:

We Could Trade Back In The First With The Eagles To Stockpile Picks An Draft A Stud Left Tackle In Jack Conklin

The return of @Brandon22?

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

The return of @Brandon22?

Dion Sims! Perhaps my comment in the thread on fond memories resurrected him lol

[ravensdan]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

I hope not!! Cornerback will front the softest impact for the season. Especially a project. If ravens want to compete for a trophy this year I do not want a cornerback drafted. Trade for a good cornerback several games into the season that will have a young explosive edge rusher behind him and a 3down ilb to take the intermediate routes. The only cornerback in think could remotely compete year one has drama issues and ravens likely will not consider him  round2.

I agree with this. The importance of drafting a corner compared to a pass rusher is highly overblown. Field. Top notch pass rushing unit again and this secondary is plenty serviceable. A pick spent rd 1 or 2 likely not as impactful as a pair of interior and exterior rushers. Like

bosa, lee, Correa, Washington  

Or go all in on offense. Drop back a few slots and go..

zeke, Whitehair Mike Thomas. 

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, ravensdan said:

I agree with this. The importance of drafting a corner compared to a pass rusher is highly overblown. Field. Top notch pass rushing unit again and this secondary is plenty serviceable. A pick spent rd 1 or 2 likely not as impactful as a pair of interior and exterior rushers. Like

bosa, lee, Correa, Washington  

Or go all in on offense. Drop back a few slots and go..

zeke, Whitehair Mike Thomas. 

Why not have both a top notch pass rushing unit and a solid secondary? We did have a really good front-7 in 2014 and then we played the Pats. We know how that turned out. 

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, ravensdan said:

I agree with this. The importance of drafting a corner compared to a pass rusher is highly overblown. Field. Top notch pass rushing unit again and this secondary is plenty serviceable. A pick spent rd 1 or 2 likely not as impactful as a pair of interior and exterior rushers. Like

bosa, lee, Correa, Washington  

Or go all in on offense. Drop back a few slots and go..

zeke, Whitehair Mike Thomas. 

I think the secondary will be better, but we need a CB for sure and this is as good a class as any to draft a CB. It's a strong group, honestly. DeCosta himself sort of alluded to the fact that we may very well take a CB. I think we do unless some other significant talent is there that outweighs the CB. Your proposition to ignore CB and focus on an edge and interior pass rusher isn't wrong, but we can do just the same in the 3rd round and take an interior rusher as we can in the 2nd or 1st. 

I see the Ohio State bias still looms, lol. I can't blame you--just funny.

[Winchester]

20 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think the secondary will be better, but we need a CB for sure and this is as good a class as any to draft a CB. It's a strong group, honestly. DeCosta himself sort of alluded to the fact that we may very well take a CB. I think we do unless some other significant talent is there that outweighs the CB. Your proposition to ignore CB and focus on an edge and interior pass rusher isn't wrong, but we can do just the same in the 3rd round and take an interior rusher as we can in the 2nd or 1st. 

I see the Ohio State bias still looms, lol. I can't blame you--just funny.

 

3 hours ago, ravensdan said:

I agree with this. The importance of drafting a corner compared to a pass rusher is highly overblown. Field. Top notch pass rushing unit again and this secondary is plenty serviceable. A pick spent rd 1 or 2 likely not as impactful as a pair of interior and exterior rushers. Like

bosa, lee, Correa, Washington  

Or go all in on offense. Drop back a few slots and go..

zeke, Whitehair Mike Thomas. 

Lmao I to have said let's go all in on offense!!  However as much as I like Whitehair and root for him to excel at left tackle, Coleman is as skilled as Tunsil and Ron Stanley. Just not as refined coming from his school. He has very similar skills. He is much better than Greg Robinson. But I like the idea going all in on offense. The players signed in free agency on offense are far from a sure thing. Ezekiel is the best running back in a while. Michael Thomas can win at every level. And Whitehair and Coleman are very good players.  It would be really cool to get them as a tandem with Coleman at tackle and Whitehair at center. Coleman only needs a little techniques refinement to be an elite tackle. Whitehair only needs to lose the bad weight he put on for draft season. And add 12-15 lbs of muscle and play a little nastier. Take the battle to his Dline opponent more often. However one would have to drop to get the tandem. Coleman is the more skilled and underrated. He is the drafts version of KO. Very strong and athletic with good length. He is better than Conklin and will be a steal. And should be drafted around where KO was maybe couple spots better than where kelechi was drafted because of this not being a great draft. With Ezekiel and Thomas the offense could be the best in the nfl. It would sustain drives and keep the defense fresh and could play ball control methodical drives and hit big plays with a very potent mix of run and throw. I like your draft scenario!! As for your defensive suggestions I like cravens better than Lee at ilb. He is a more fierce tackler in my opinion. Somebody like Spence makes the seconday better. I like Will Davis. He is very impressive when he plays!! But your draft idea, ravens front the best offense in nfl

[Edgar]

The more I watch STANLEY, the more I am impressed by him.

I think he turns out to be the top tackle in this draft and could see the ravens taking him at six.

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

The more I watch STANLEY, the more I am impressed by him.

I think he turns out to be the top tackle in this draft and could see the ravens taking him at six.

I watched about 5 plays of his better opponents like Lawson and Leonard Williams and said he has a better natural anchor and more upside than tunsil. He gets in better shape and plays a little more nasty he could be the best in the league. Coleman is right there with Tunsil and Ron Stanley. Just not as refined coming out of his school.

[ALPHA]

I'm big on Whitehair because he can replace what KO gave us, an elite guard who can kick out to be a serviceable left tackle. He's not a mauler like KO but he's more athletic and consistent with his technique, forget his bench his knee bend and hand strength is top notch.

[Winchester]

32 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I'm big on Whitehair because he can replace what KO gave us, an elite guard who can kick out to be a serviceable left tackle. He's not a mauler like KO but he's more athletic and consistent with his technique, forget his bench his knee bend and hand strength is top notch.

As much as I like Whitehair he is not intimadator. And will struggle a little. Coleman is right there with Tunsil and Ron Stanley. He is going  to be a top shelf left tackle. He can begin as a mauling athletic guard. Ravens will not miss KO with Coleman playing left tackle. He brings everything ko could and a little more athletic 

[ALPHA]

49 minutes ago, Winchester said:

As much as I like Whitehair he is not intimadator. And will struggle a little. Coleman is right there with Tunsil and Ron Stanley. He is going  to be a top shelf left tackle. He can begin as a mauling athletic guard. Ravens will not miss KO with Coleman playing left tackle. He brings everything ko could and a little more athletic 

The reason why Yanda is the best guard in football is because he is an elite technician and mauler, KO is a length mauler but not a technician or knee bender so he's not nearly as consistent at turning or hitting his man. Coleman has similar limitations as KO but I don't think he has the same square up power going forward or back.

I scouted Coleman a while back so my memory is a little hazy, I thought he looked like a Bengals type oversized lineman and funnily enough they did meet with him. Our list of OL prospect meetings is short, I think our front office has a specific idea of what the want.

Edited April 19, 2016 by ALPHA

[RaineV1]

Personally, I'd rather take one of the top two centers (Kelly and Martin) over Whitehair. I think they'll become better interior linemen than him.

[KBoum]

1 minute ago, RaineV1 said:

Personally, I'd rather take one of the top two centers (Kelly and Martin) over Whitehair. I think they'll become better interior linemen than him.

Martin is very good in my opinion. That ND line was something

[ALPHA]

Martin is really good although I think he's injury prone, him or Kelly I cant remember.

[Ravensfan23]

Hey guys what's the book on LaRsen Clark? I'm sure he's already been spoken about just don't wanna search the entire thread. I'be read he's really raw coming from Texas Tech, but has elite level attributes and could develop into a All pro LT if he takes to the right coaching. Is he a good option to develop behind Monroe for a year or more of a potential headache?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Larsen Clark? Who the hell is that? 

 

La'Raven Clark has sloppy technique and feet and I wouldn't be happy if we drafted him at all

[ALPHA]

His technique is a mess but he's got major potential and never gets injured, he would need 2-3 few years in development.

[Winchester]

5 hours ago, ALPHA said:

The reason why Yanda is the best guard in football is because he is an elite technician and mauler, KO is a length mauler but not a technician or knee bender so he's not nearly as consistent at turning or hitting his man. Coleman has similar limitations as KO but I don't think he has the same square up power going forward or back.

I scouted Coleman a while back so my memory is a little hazy, I thought he looked like a Bengals type oversized lineman and funnily enough they did meet with him. Our list of OL prospect meetings is short, I think our front office has a specific idea of what the want.

I do like Whitehair but after looking  @ Jordan Gross again he is not nearly the player Jordan was!! Whitehair is a great technician but not the specimen of Jordan or yanda. Coleman is going to dominate from day one in the nfl!!

[ALPHA]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

I do like Whitehair but after looking  @ Jordan Gross again he is not nearly the player Jordan was!! Whitehair is a great technician but not the specimen of Jordan or yanda. Coleman is going to dominate from day one in the nfl!!

He's definitely not a Yanda but who is? barring injury I would project him to somewhere between Bitonio and Martin. I hope you're wrong about Coleman because I think he's going to be a Bengal

[Winchester]

7 hours ago, ALPHA said:

He's definitely not a Yanda but who is? barring injury I would project him to somewhere between Bitonio and Martin. I hope you're wrong about Coleman because I think he's going to be a Bengal

 He is smaller and not nearly the specimen that Bitonio and Zach martin are!! Great technician but he is very smallish. He clearly put on some bad weight to get to that 300 plateau. And not look undersized for the pre draft season. That is reason I said he needs to drop 15 lbs and put on 15lbs of muscle. He keeps his qb clean without necessarily winning blocks like those guys did. Bengals oline is pretty good with young guys waiting to play. Bengals could be interested but I'm sure players of need will be their priority. Like lb cuz Bengals do not know what will happen with vintage burfict. And edge rusher with Johnson incomsistent.

[January J]

I'm starting to smell a swap between Cleveland and San Fran. If that's the case (and even if not)  there is even more of a chance that Tunsil drops to us. Ramsey is even starting to look not so farfetched anymore. Just imagine getting Tunsil and then Noah spence or even ramsey, Conklin and yannick. We're gonna make out of this dradt like bandits regardless just watch.

[ALPHA]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

 He is smaller and not nearly the specimen that Bitonio and Zach martin are!! Great technician but he is very smallish. He clearly put on some bad weight to get to that 300 plateau. And not look undersized for the pre draft season. That is reason I said he needs to drop 15 lbs and put on 15lbs of muscle. He keeps his qb clean without necessarily winning blocks like those guys did. Bengals oline is pretty good with young guys waiting to play. Bengals could be interested but I'm sure players of need will be their priority. Like lb cuz Bengals do not know what will happen with vintage burfict. And edge rusher with Johnson incomsistent.

Whitehair is slightly more athletic than Martin and slightly less than Bitonio, and he's the same size.

[Winchester]

51 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Whitehair is slightly more athletic than Martin and slightly less than Bitonio, and he's the same size.

Same weight but not even close to the same size. If he were to stand next to Martin you could clearly see Martin is far bigger band broader!! When he gets to the nfl and stands next to his linemates his size will show. Not to say I do not like him. Just not as an early round2 pick. While good strength from his abdominal and hips he is small and needs more upper bod strength. I like him and root for him as do his coaches and scouts. And  root for him to lose the bad weight he put on and add 15 lbs of muscle and play well at the pro level. while benchreps is not a total measurement of functional strength, 16 reps for an oline player is nothing to discredit. While not weak when it comes to play strength he needs more power in functional play.

Edited April 20, 2016 by Winchester

[Edgar]

McShay latest mock has us taking Stanley ......with Tunsil and Buckner on the board.

It wouldn't shock me.

[52520Andrew]

 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

McShay latest mock has us taking Stanley ......with Tunsil and Buckner on the board.

It wouldn't shock me.

I would take Stanley over buckner. Ron Stanley and Tunsil is splitting hairs over who is going to be the better pro player

[Edgar]

Max Tuerk is a Raven type pick.