2016 O-Linemen thread

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

very true, very true.

I mean I loved Craig Mager last year. I thought he'd make a great fourth round, maybe fifth round pick. I had him as a potential steal. I never thought he'd go in the 2nd round to SD. That's why I said 2-4 because after last year I think it really depends on whether another team falls in love. 

[RavensFanMania]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I mean I loved Craig Mager last year. I thought he'd make a great fourth round, maybe fifth round pick. I had him as a potential steal. I never thought he'd go in the 2nd round to SD. That's why I said 2-4 because after last year I think it really depends on whether another team falls in love. 

I liked Craig Mager a lot as well, glad I have him in the Forum Mock.  I've had a couple teams ask for a trade but can't remember which ones.  They weren't offering enough anyway.  He can play on the perimeter and and in the slot, love his versatility.

Edited March 19, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, RavensFanMania said:

I liked Craig Mager a lot as well, glad I have him in the Forum Mock.  I've had a couple teams ask for a trade but can't remember which ones.  They weren't offering enough anyway.

Yeah and you can never rule out teams like the Patriots and Seahawks who seem to have very unique boards.

[rmw10]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah and you can never rule out teams like the Patriots and Seahawks who seem to have very unique boards.

I think it's crazy how the Seahawks gave hints out to every player they planned on picking last year before the draft, and they got them all.  That shows they couldn't care less about value and they just pick guys they like for their team.

[RavensFanMania]

Just now, rmw10 said:

I think it's crazy how the Seahawks gave hints out to every player they planned on picking last year before the draft, and they got them all.  That shows they couldn't care less about value and they just pick guys they like for their team.

That's really interesting, if it's true.  Where did you hear that?

[rmw10]

Just now, RavensFanMania said:

That's really interesting, if it's true.  Where did you hear that?

Pete does it every year.  Usually it's something you can't figure out until after the draft, but there's always some tiny connection.

 

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[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Pete does it every year.  Usually it's something you can't figure out until after the draft, but there's always some tiny connection.

 

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[ALPHA]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Tunsil and Stanley?  I like Conklin but he's got quite a few issues with his technique.

He needs work so he could be in for a rough year too, but he doesn't have to be taught pro style schemes and how to run block from scratch. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, ALPHA said:

He needs work so he could be in for a rough year too, but he doesn't have to be taught pro style schemes and how to run block from scratch. 

That doesn't make him the most pro ready, though.  He has quite a bit to work on.

Tunsil and Stanley are likely day 1 plug and play guys, depending on which team drafts them.

[ALPHA]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That doesn't make him the most pro ready, though.  He has quite a bit to work on.

Tunsil and Stanley are likely day 1 plug and play guys, depending on which team drafts them.

They will start, but they're going to be closer to Eric Fischer than Tyron Smith. People think it's easy for an athlete like Tunsil to learn three point blocking or how to reach block, but without technique and consistency you end up with a button masher like Greg Robinson.

Edited March 19, 2016 by ALPHA

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

They will start, but they're going to be closer to Eric Fischer than Tyron Smith. People think it's easy for an athlete like Tunsil to learn three point blocking or how to reach block, but without technique and consistency you end up with a button masher like Greg Robinson.

I think you're incredibly off-base here, personally.

[GrimCoconut]

35 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

They will start, but they're going to be closer to Eric Fischer than Tyron Smith. People think it's easy for an athlete like Tunsil to learn three point blocking or how to reach block, but without technique and consistency you end up with a button masher like Greg Robinson.

What makes you think Tunsil is less Smith and more Fisher/Robinson? 

30 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I think you're incredibly off-base here, personally.

There's no perfect prospect. Does it mean that CJ Mosley is another Rolando McClain because he's a LB from Alabama drafted high? I hate comparing prospects and saying we shouldn't take X player because they could be another Y. It's one of the dumbest, laziest arguments I see. Now, if it's backed up with evidence then that's different. 

It's not like Smith came from a pro style offense. He came out of USC. 

Edited March 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Winchester]

46 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah and you can never rule out teams like the Patriots and Seahawks who seem to have very unique boards.

Glad you pointed that out. Belicheat has really cleaned up his drafting lately. He occasionally takes a knee jerker on his instincts. For a while there he was overextended with no coordinators or assistant gm. He was not watching college players til mid to late February and was going against his scouts who were watching college players all season. His unidentified assistant gm was just a scout in 2010-2012. He advised him to move up into top10 for watt or Quinn. He is listening to his scouts more now especially this young scout that wanted the 2011 trade up and responsible for the Collins pick that quit on him once and he begged him back for this draft. So with picks the patsies are accumulating it is interesting as to the plans. Since when does anybody talk down to Belicheat then he begs him tomback to work with more authority than ever??

[Winchester]

10 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

What makes you think Tunsil is less Smith and more Fisher/Robinson? 

There's no perfect prospect. Does it mean that CJ Mosley is another Rolando McClain because he's a LB from Alabama drafted high? I hate comparing prospects and saying we shouldn't take X player because they could be another Y. It's one of the dumbest, laziest arguments I see. Now, if it's backed up with evidence then that's different. 

It's not like Smith came from a pro style offense. He came out of USC. 

Or that Coleman is Robinson 2.0. I have yet to see anybody's name his biggest problem and the reason that while a rare athlete with incredible athleticism and power his best chance is at guard.

[ALPHA]

50 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

What makes you think Tunsil is less Smith and more Fisher/Robinson? 

There's no perfect prospect. Does it mean that CJ Mosley is another Rolando McClain because he's a LB from Alabama drafted high? I hate comparing prospects and saying we shouldn't take X player because they could be another Y. It's one of the dumbest, laziest arguments I see. Now, if it's backed up with evidence then that's different. 

It's not like Smith came from a pro style offense. He came out of USC. 

I never said we should or shouldn't take anyone I gave my opinion, Conklin is more pro ready. 

Also Lane Kiffin changed USC from a pro system to spread offense in 2011. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I never said we should or shouldn't take anyone I gave my opinion, Conklin is more pro ready. 

Also Lane Kiffin changed USC from a pro system to spread offense in 2011. 

I just don't know what you're seeing to say that.

Tunsil is probably the best prospect I've evaluated since Andrew Luck.  He's nearly flawless in technique and has tremendous talent.  I don't see anyway he isn't a stalwart at LT.  If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but I don't think I've ever been so confident about a prospect.

Stanley has his limitations in the run game, but his pass protection is near perfection.

This is coming from someone that is high on Conklin as well.  I like him a ton, but there's just no chance he's more pro ready than those 2, for me.  Coming from a certain style of offense doesn't automatically make him more pro ready.

[ALPHA]

15 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I just don't know what you're seeing to say that.

Tunsil is probably the best prospect I've evaluated since Andrew Luck.  He's nearly flawless in technique and has tremendous talent.  I don't see anyway he isn't a stalwart at LT.  If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but I don't think I've ever been so confident about a prospect.

Stanley has his limitations in the run game, but his pass protection is near perfection.

This is coming from someone that is high on Conklin as well.  I like him a ton, but there's just no chance he's more pro ready than those 2, for me.  Coming from a certain style of offense doesn't automatically make him more pro ready.

A pro style scheme isn't a guarantee that a prospect is more pro ready, but it's been a better indicator than consensus opinion has been over the last 5 years. Granted I could be wrong but back in 2013 I said Chance Warmack was overrated and got ripped to the point where I started to believe the hype, now I don't believe hype.

Just remember this is a discussion board, we don't have to share the exact same opinions.

Edited March 19, 2016 by ALPHA

[GrimCoconut]

27 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I never said we should or shouldn't take anyone I gave my opinion, Conklin is more pro ready. 

Also Lane Kiffin changed USC from a pro system to spread offense in 2011. 

Kiffin was hired in 2010 and didn't change a whole lot after Pete left. He started changing things in 2011, but Kiffin was there an entire year before he started making those changes. Just because a guy comes from a Pro-style offense doesn't necessarily make him better, either. I certainly prefer it, but we've seen Juan Castillo do a good job with these late-round guys like Jensen and Urschel, although they have potential as well. Not trying to discount those players, but I certainly think Castillo could get Ronnie Stanley and Laremy Tunsil into dominant players.  

[rmw10]

15 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

A pro style scheme isn't a guarantee that a prospect is more pro ready, but it's been a better indicator than consensus opinion has been over the last 5 years. Granted I could be wrong but back in 2013 I said Chance Warmack was overrated and got ripped to the point where I started to believe the hype, now I don't believe hype.

Just remember this is a discussion board, we don't have to share the exact same opinions.

I get that and I respect that as well.  I just don't see how, personally.  I'm not against someone going against the grain, but I just think that's a very, very bold statement.

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I get that and I respect that as well.  I just don't see how, personally.  I'm not against someone going against the grain, but I just think that's a very, very bold statement.

Conklin could very well be the best LT from this class and it wouldn't surprise me. I like his footwork but they could be quicker. He's really good in pass pro, though, and did a great job against a good Alabama defense that pressured many other OLs. I think he's definitely up there with Stanley & Tunsil, but I wouldn't personally declare him the best right now. He very well could prove to be the best, though, and it wouldn't surprise me. But if I am a GM, I am sure any actual GM would choose Tunsil over Conklin as their LT if they have their pick. 

[ALPHA]

His tape against the Ducks was interesting, he wrecked Buckner when run blocking but then got abused in pass pro.

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, ALPHA said:

A pro style scheme isn't a guarantee that a prospect is more pro ready, but it's been a better indicator than consensus opinion has been over the last 5 years. Granted I could be wrong but back in 2013 I said Chance Warmack was overrated and got ripped to the point where I started to believe the hype, now I don't believe hype.

Just remember this is a discussion board, we don't have to share the exact same opinions.

I see no problem sticking to less popular opinions. Don't be a lemming. I haven't heard anyone put Conklin over Tunsil but you're not the first to put him over Stanley. 

I wasnever a fan of warmak myself. I also had Zack Martin ahead of lewan. That was quite unpopular. As long as you have some reasoning have your own opinion I say. 

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4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Tunsil and Stanley?  I like Conklin but he's got quite a few issues with his technique.

I'm not as high on Conklin personally as some for the very same reason.

[ALPHA]

If the Titans take Tunsil do you think they would be open to trading Lewan? he has two years left on his rookie contract but it's a risk moving to the right side, even if he's a solid RT he will lose money there and the Titans lose trade value.

[Maryland]

5 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

If the Titans take Tunsil do you think they would be open to trading Lewan? he has two years left on his rookie contract but it's a risk moving to the right side, even if he's a solid RT he will lose money there and the Titans lose trade value.

I think they keep Lewan. You need a good RT just as much as you need a good LT in this league, especially playing in the same division as Watt (who goes against RTs usually). 

[52520Andrew]

Nick Martin looks pretty good

[Edgar]

Where do you guys think Joe Dahl goes?

[KBoum]

57 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Where do you guys think Joe Dahl goes?

4th/5th

[52520Andrew]

Really like the nastiness in Conklin, a bit sloppy though as well compared to guys like Stanley and Tunsil. Could be a guy to target in a trade back however

[Edgar]

With all the Stanley nay saying, I can't help but think we would be praying he gets to us if we were picking tenth.