2016 O-Linemen thread

[AnthonyGames]

Did anybody watch how well Ryan Jensen played the last few games for the Ravens? He was a road grader and he plays with a real nasty streak! Jensen and Osemele looked really solid from the left side together. What we need is some good insurance at the tackle position. Monroe and Wagner are good players...when healthy. James Hurst is ok, but I'd feel a lot better with another solid tackle in the first 4 rounds of the draft. 

At guard between Yanda, Jensen, and Urschel I think we are ok. Add another zone scheme capable guard via FA or the draft as a backup, and I'm liking our O-Line. Remember, Jensen and Urschel can play center too if need be. Zuttah is a solid center for us, too. 

[RaineV1]

PFF did a pretty good scouting report on Jason Spriggs: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/04/draft-pff-scouting-report-jason-spriggs-ot-indiana/

The positives they found in him:

• Elite level anchor and lower body strength. Great movement when locked in on double teams
• Fantastic athlete that can get out and run with the best of them
• Extended experience running outside zone. Showed ability to control blocks on the move
• Won on 60 percent of his one-on-ones at the Senior Bowl, the highest rate of any tackle

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

6 minutes ago, Winchester said:

There is a huge difference between Okung and Eugene. Okung is waaay stronger and loves the game. If he can play injury free for a well coached OLine he could be the steal of free agency. Many very talented OLine players have underperformed for Seattle of late. Plug him into the surge beside Aggressive and well coached players like Yanda Urschel and Jensen under Castillo and Harbs and Okung could be back to all pro form. Okung is more athletic and gets movement in the run game. Monroe gets pushed in the run game. The ravens would not need Pitt to get Okung and have him realizing his potential.Because he is top shelf talent.

Dear god... We agree on something. 

I will defend Monore, I don't think he's THAT bad. Okung is a superior talent by a good deal. Every bit as injury prone, and I doubt he'd come here, but he's better. I'd take Beachum as well. But I highly doubt either of them are coming here. 

[Winchester]

51 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Dear god... We agree on something. 

I will defend Monore, I don't think he's THAT bad. Okung is a superior talent by a good deal. Every bit as injury prone, and I doubt he'd come here, but he's better. I'd take Beachum as well. But I highly doubt either of them are coming here. 

I hope one comes preferably Okung cuz of his duel skills athletic and very strong.

[KBoum]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

PFF did a pretty good scouting report on Jason Spriggs: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/04/draft-pff-scouting-report-jason-spriggs-ot-indiana/

The positives they found in him:

• Elite level anchor and lower body strength. Great movement when locked in on double teams
• Fantastic athlete that can get out and run with the best of them
• Extended experience running outside zone. Showed ability to control blocks on the move
• Won on 60 percent of his one-on-ones at the Senior Bowl, the highest rate of any tackle

Spriggs is the hot shot right now. He'll probably rise in the 1st round. Too bad because he fits the Ravens needs/schemes a LOT.

So I went back at my notes to see if another pass blocking/zone OT could be available to the Ravens late in the draft. I don't have lots of notes on Dahl but what are your thoughts ? I heard he looked bad at the Senior Bowl which isn't a good thing. He'll probably move to Guard but gives the flexibility. If we can land him in the 5th I think he could be a nice project to work with. When healthy he was pretty good but his tapes aren't that good. 

[ALPHA]

53 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Spriggs is the hot shot right now. He'll probably rise in the 1st round. Too bad because he fits the Ravens needs/schemes a LOT.

So I went back at my notes to see if another pass blocking/zone OT could be available to the Ravens late in the draft. I don't have lots of notes on Dahl but what are your thoughts ? I heard he looked bad at the Senior Bowl which isn't a good thing. He'll probably move to Guard but gives the flexibility. If we can land him in the 5th I think he could be a nice project to work with. When healthy he was pretty good but his tapes aren't that good. 

Physically he's a good LG prospect, but he needs maybe 3 years to learn a pro style pass set and three point blocking. 

[BSHU_Miami]

Where would Ryan Kelly fit in our draft plan. We could definietly use an upgrade at center. What round would You draft him in.

[ALPHA]

21 minutes ago, BSHU_Miami said:

Where would Ryan Kelly fit in our draft plan. We could definietly use an upgrade at center. What round would You draft him in.

He's a better prospect than Nick Martin but he's injury prone, I think he's going to be one of those guys who's always on the injury report.

[Edgar]

Has anyone been able to some serious study or analysis of Willie Beavers?

Only able to see one game and in that I thought he looked very good. Also intrigued by what's being written about him. 

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Has anyone been able to some serious study or analysis of Willie Beavers?

Only able to see one game and in that I thought he looked very good. Also intrigued by what's being written about him. 

I like him quite a bit. He's one of the better LT prospects out there, IMO. I like his talent and I love how he never quits. When I look for OL, I look for nasty and mean OL who never give up because I think those guys project best in the NFL. 

[Edgar]

19 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I like him quite a bit. He's one of the better LT prospects out there, IMO. I like his talent and I love how he never quits. When I look for OL, I look for nasty and mean OL who never give up because I think those guys project best in the NFL. 

do you think he would be worth a trade into end of round two(if he's there)? I don't ven know where this guys projected to go.

really excited about that one game and his potential but don't want to make too much over one game tape.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

do you think he would be worth a trade into end of round two(if he's there)? I don't ven know where this guys projected to go.

really excited about that one game and his potential but don't want to make too much over one game tape.

I'm not sure where Beavers goes. I think he has 2nd round talent, but he could go anywhere from round 2 to round 4, imo. His stock is very tough to pinpoint. 

[Winchester]

14 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure where Beavers goes. I think he has 2nd round talent, but he could go anywhere from round 2 to round 4, imo. His stock is very tough to pinpoint. 

 

Good point. The smarter more detail oriented scouts are beginning to use new methods in evaluating OLine players. Mostly as a result of the Colossal Greg Robinson bust.lol Not all strong and athletic lineman clean up the technique in the NFL like Duane Brown did and become pro bowl caliber players. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On 3/12/2016 at 3:40 AM, RaineV1 said:

PFF did a pretty good scouting report on Jason Spriggs: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/04/draft-pff-scouting-report-jason-spriggs-ot-indiana/

The positives they found in him:

• Elite level anchor and lower body strength. Great movement when locked in on double teams
• Fantastic athlete that can get out and run with the best of them
• Extended experience running outside zone. Showed ability to control blocks on the move
• Won on 60 percent of his one-on-ones at the Senior Bowl, the highest rate of any tackle

Can I just say that I love Spriggs as a second round pick and would trade up for him or Conklin to cement solid depth and a future starter at LT.

[ALPHA]

18 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Can I just say that I love Spriggs as a second round pick and would trade up for him or Conklin to cement solid depth and a future starter at LT.

Jack Conklin is an Andrew Whitworth clone, he'd make a great Raven but I think he goes in the bottom half of the first.

[GrimCoconut]

18 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

Jack Conklin is an Andrew Whitworth clone, he'd make a great Raven but I think he goes in the bottom half of the first.

Conklin is one of the best LT in this class. I'm surprised he gets so little love here. 

[Clmraven]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Conklin is one of the best LT in this class. I'm surprised he gets so little love here. 

Im a big fan of his but I think the lack of love is mostly due to position and his draft stock, just high enough to be a reach with our first but no way he makes it to the second.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

Im a big fan of his but I think the lack of love is mostly due to position and his draft stock, just high enough to be a reach with our first but no way he makes it to the second.

Sucks. I would take him in an instant if he were in the 2nd. He did exceptionally well against Alabama. That's when he really impressed me and made me go back and watch his 2015 tape. 

[balfan23]

3 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Jack Conklin is an Andrew Whitworth clone, he'd make a great Raven but I think he goes in the bottom half of the first.

Actually - Conklin is a consensus mock selection at #13 to the Eagles. Many mocks that don't have the Eagles taking him, have Indy taking him, but definitely gone in the 20s. Spriggs is projected later in the 1st and seems to be a better chance if we decided to trade up into the first, but if we sit tight it really would appear that neither would be available to us in the 2nd. 

[Maryland]

I really like Spriggs. I've seen him slotted to the Broncos in Kiper & McShay's latest mocks and high in round 2 in many others. I would love if the Ravens got him, even if it meant trading up. He seems like a good bet to develop into a LT after a year. At worst, he replaces Wagner as an athletic RT (Wagner will be a FA in 2017). 

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, Maryland said:

I really like Spriggs. I've seen him slotted to the Broncos in Kiper & McShay's latest mocks and high in round 2 in many others. I would love if the Ravens got him, even if it meant trading up. He seems like a good bet to develop into a LT after a year. At worst, he replaces Wagner as an athletic RT (Wagner will be a FA in 2017). 

I for one would definitely be willing to try to make a deal with the Chiefs or Cardinals to get ahead of the Broncos and Panthers. Maybe if we trade both of our tradeable 4th round picks we could pull it off. Or trade them to the Titans if the Broncos don't take him.

Edited March 18, 2016 by RaineV1

[Mt. Crushmore]

On March 14, 2016 at 10:30 AM, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure where Beavers goes. I think he has 2nd round talent, but he could go anywhere from round 2 to round 4, imo. His stock is very tough to pinpoint. 

I'm not sure if you saw this, but PFF had him at a negative 46 grade for 2015. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/16/draft-10-most-overrated-2016-nfl-draft-prospects/ 

[Winchester]

1 hour ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

I'm not sure if you saw this, but PFF had him at a negative 46 grade for 2015. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/16/draft-10-most-overrated-2016-nfl-draft-prospects/ 

These nerds at pff are getting annoying. Players listed with positive grades that no team even wants. There are waaaay to many variables that go into every play and you have grade with eyeball wits and proven timeless common sense. PFF is the wildcat and read option of football stats. Fans only like off when their stats prop up a player on their team or rain on  a player that is unliked on an opposing team.

[RavensFanMania]

On 3/14/2016 at 11:30 AM, GrimCoconut said:

I'm not sure where Beavers goes. I think he has 2nd round talent, but he could go anywhere from round 2 to round 4, imo. His stock is very tough to pinpoint. 

I think his talent is closer to 3rd round then 2nd round, but this year it's extremely difficult to pinpoint where the DL players are going to go because there are so many talented OL prospects. 

Edited March 19, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

I'm not sure if you saw this, but PFF had him at a negative 46 grade for 2015. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/16/draft-10-most-overrated-2016-nfl-draft-prospects/ 

I don't put much credence in statistics without substantiation. I don't mind the opinion because I personally think Beavers has some refinement but I need rationale and not numbers. If they gave me rationale I'd put more weight in their opinion. 

Then again hey maybe I missed something. I'm not perfect nor am I a professional scout here. 

[ALPHA]

On 3/15/2016 at 9:23 AM, GrimCoconut said:

Conklin is one of the best LT in this class. I'm surprised he gets so little love here. 

He's by far the most pro ready, this is another class that's going to get beat up.

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I think his talent is closer to 3rd round then 2nd round, but this year it's extremely difficult to pinpoint where the DL players are going to go because there are so many talented DL prospects. 

I agree that he should go third. It's very tough to pinpoint where a guy goes. It's all very much subjective. I never thought Logan Ryan would be as high a pick but he was. Sometimes need comes into play and so does potential. 

He's an OL, btw. 

Edited March 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[RavensFanMania]

26 minutes ago, Winchester said:

These nerds at pff are getting annoying. Players listed with positive grades that no team even wants. There are waaaay to many variables that go into every play and you have grade with eyeball wits and proven timeless common sense. PFF is the wildcat and read option of football stats. Fans only like off when their stats prop up a player on their team or rain on  a player that is unliked on an opposing team.

this isn't true at all and although I'm not totally a fan of the grading of college players this way due to the differences of the schemes within college, I am a fan of their stats within the professional athletes.  It's not the be all end all, I agree, but you can't ignore them. 

Edited March 19, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[RavensFanMania]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I agree that he should go third. It's very tough to pinpoint where a guy goes. It's all very much subjective. I never thought Logan Ryan would be as high a pick but he was. Sometimes need comes into play and so does potential. 

He's an OL, btw. 

I knew that he was OL also.   It's a deep draft in OL as well, just a typo.  Thanks for pointing it out though. 

Edited March 19, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

He's by far the most pro ready, this is another class that's going to get beat up.

Tunsil and Stanley?  I like Conklin but he's got quite a few issues with his technique.