2016 O-Linemen thread

[Inqui]

I hear yah. But I'm almost 100% sure JACLFH is toast anyway. 2mil is 2mil. So they'll be in the market anyway. Hurst is was never the answer. He gets bullied @ his position.

I think even if we see either Tunsil or Stanley as a better prospect than Ogden, we'll be keeping Monroe for another year at least. Per Spotrac, we'd save closer to $5 million by cutting or trading him after the 2016 season and it gives any hypothetical rookie a year to either get redshirted or get plugged in at LG/RT while they get used to our blocking schemes.

[thieverycorporation]

I think even if we see either Tunsil or Stanley as a better prospect than Ogden, we'll be keeping Monroe for another year at least. Per Spotrac, we'd save closer to $5 million by cutting or trading him after the 2016 season and it gives any hypothetical rookie a year to either get redshirted or get plugged in at LG/RT while they get used to our blocking schemes.

They would be special if the compare to Og. It will have to be a priority keep Flacco upright healthy and happy.

[Cillmatic]

After what happened today O-line is the top priority. We need a LT and LG before next season or Joe might as well not bother coming back because he's just gonna get destroyed.

[PurpleCity5]

I can't stand to watch this OL get ripped to shreds anymore. I think Eugene just has proven that he can't stay healthy long term. I think if Tunsil is there then you pick him regardless if Bosa is as well.

Edited December 7, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[BmoreBird22]

I can't stand to watch this OL get ripped to shreds anymore. I think Eugene just has proven that he can stay healthy long term. I think if Tunsil is there then you pick him regardless if Bosa is as well.

Or, crazy idea, the Ravens trade for Joe Thomas and get a known best LT in the league. Yeah? Yeah?

[Inqui]

Or, crazy idea, the Ravens trade for Joe Thomas and get a known best LT in the league. Yeah? Yeah?

I'm not sure how we'd trade for him and still make it work for us now. It made a lot of sense as a possibility for the Browns to move up and secure whatever QB they're most dazzled by without having to give up too much of a high pick, but I'm not sure how we make it happen now.

[Cillmatic]

Or, crazy idea, the Ravens trade for Joe Thomas and get a known best LT in the league. Yeah? Yeah?

Not very common for teams in the same division to trade top players.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm not sure how we'd trade for him and still make it work for us now. It made a lot of sense as a possibility for the Browns to move up and secure whatever QB they're most dazzled by without having to give up too much of a high pick, but I'm not sure how we make it happen now.

I don't think the Ravens will trade for him, but I think a team will and the Browns will start an Era featuring Tunsil-Bitonio-Ervin and the rookie quarterback. That's a good young corp

[BmoreBird22]

Not very common for teams in the same division to trade top players.

It was a bit of a joke because I expect him to be moved

[PurpleCity5]

Or, crazy idea, the Ravens trade for Joe Thomas and get a known best LT in the league. Yeah? Yeah?

I don't know, how will the trade go down? Also, if they're willing to do it. They are asking for 2 first round picks. I can't pull the trigger for that and I'm sure Oz can't as well. 

Edited December 7, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[BmoreBird22]

I don't know, how will the trade go down? Also, if they're willing to do it. They are asking for 2 first round picks. I can't pull the trigger for that and I'm sure Oz can't as well.

It'd more than likely take the first round pick that the Ravens have, but I can't see the trade honestly happening

[PurpleCity5]

It'd more than likely take the first round pick that the Ravens have, but I can't see the trade honestly happening

Our own from this year? Man, that would be a sweet deal. I would probably take that. The problem is the cap IMO. I don't know how we fit Thomas here. 

[BmoreBird22]

Our own from this year? Man, that would be a sweet deal. I would probably take that. The problem is the cap IMO. I don't know how we fit Thomas here.

They'd likely be making that their big move of the free agency period. I outlined some moves I'd make as the Ravens front office that could potentially free up to $25M in cpa to spend after tenders are used by cutting some pricey veterans. You'd be down to about $17M after Thomas is here and then you figure the rest likely goes to bargain FA's and the Ravens own.

I'd take it in a heartbeat just because Thomas is one of my favorite players in the NFL

[52liveforever]

I'd take it in a heartbeat just because Thomas is one of my favorite players in the NFL

 

Blasphemy!!!

[PurpleCity5]

They'd likely be making that their big move of the free agency period. I outlined some moves I'd make as the Ravens front office that could potentially free up to $25M in cpa to spend after tenders are used by cutting some pricey veterans. You'd be down to about $17M after Thomas is here and then you figure the rest likely goes to bargain FA's and the Ravens own.

I'd take it in a heartbeat just because Thomas is one of my favorite players in the NFL

I do wonder how much we'll have in cap. Thanks for the insight, I think we'll exhaust nearly every avenue in cap. Also, in addition to Thomas being one of the most consistent players, he is also one of the most durible as well.

[BmoreBird22]

I do wonder how much we'll have in cap. Thanks for the insight, I think we'll exhaust nearly every avenue in cap. Also, in addition to Thomas being one of the most consistent players, he is also one of the most durible as well.

I take that last part with a grain of salt now. Monroe was never injured in the NFL before he had a full off season in Baltimore and now...

 

But as far as building the team up, I'd honestly rather just take the original draft pick and turn it into a young rookie that will develop with the team rather than a left tackle with four, five years left and will cost a lot. If the moves I proposed come to fruition, the Ravens will be down their top receiver, a starting ILB, starting RB (pending how Allen does against these stronger run defenses), possibly a starting CB if Webb moves to FS. There's just going to be a lot of work to be done and while I expect a better year next year than this year, I don't know if Thomas is the key difference to being a Super Bowl contender.

Edited December 7, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[PurpleCity5]

I take that last part with a grain of salt now. Monroe was never injured in the NFL before he had a full off season in Baltimore and now...

But as far as building the team up, I'd honestly rather just take the original draft pick and turn it into a young rookie that will develop with the team rather than a left tackle with four, five years left and will cost a lot. If the moves I proposed come to fruition, the Ravens will be down their top receiver, a starting ILB, starting RB (pending how Allen does against these stronger run defenses), possibly a starting CB if Webb moves to FS. There's just going to be a lot of work to be done and while I expect a better year next year than this year, I don't know if Thomas is the key difference to being a Super Bowl contender.

I will admit, I was just thinking about that. Monroe has been durible until now, but we have to be seriously cursed for Thomas to be hurt here.

I do think that if we have a shot at Tunsil and Bosa, then I don't know if you take the offer, but if both are gone, then yeah, I would heavily consider that offer. That said, I don't know what Oz would do in that situation. There have been a lot of OTs who has busted recently, Thomas is at least a sure bet.

We still have a lot of holes, but I think with Thomas and another WR, we can take this offense to another level. I think this team should shift to an offense-oriented identity.

Edited December 7, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

I may be alone here but I think I may take Thomas even with our top 10 pick and be happy with it. Yeah, he'll cost money and eat at our cap, but he only just turned 31 so he's no old man. There's also no guarantee a prospect ever develops, so I'd rather have an elite yet expensive talent in Thomas even over a guy like Tunsil, whom I love.

Edited December 7, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

I will admit, I was just thinking about that. Monroe has been durible until now, but we have to be seriously cursed for Thomas to be hurt here.

I do think that if we have a shot at Tunsil and Bosa, then I don't know if you take the offer, but if both are gone, then yeah, I would heavily consider that offer. That said, I don't know what Oz would do in that situation. There have been a lot of OTs who has busted recently, Thomas is at least a sure bet.

We still have a lot of holes, but I think with Thomas and another WR, we can take this offense to another level. I think this team should shift to an offense-oriented identity.

 

 

I may be alone here but I think I may take Thomas even with our top 10 pick and be happy with it. Yeah, he'll cost money and eat at our cap, but he only just turned 31 so he's no old man. There's also no guarantee a prospect ever develops, so I'd rather have an elite yet expensive talent in Thomas even over a guy like Tunsil, whom I love.

I'm just really on the fence about it and it really depends on whether or not the front office can fill the rest of their holes in a satisfactory way, not like how they handled WR.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm just really on the fence about it and it really depends on whether or not the front office can fill the rest of their holes in a satisfactory way, not like how they handled WR.

I doubt it matters because I don't think Thomas is ever going to be a Raven unless he's cut or a part of a three-team trade, which isn't happening.

[52520Andrew]

I may be alone here but I think I may take Thomas even with our top 10 pick and be happy with it. Yeah, he'll cost money and eat at our cap, but he only just turned 31 so he's no old man. There's also no guarantee a prospect ever develops, so I'd rather have an elite yet expensive talent in Thomas even over a guy like Tunsil, whom I love.

 

I just can't do that. We need a young impact player to build around and trading our best opportunity for that in years for an aging but great LT who will eat up much more cap than a rookie just does not sit well with me.

[balfan23]

They'd likely be making that their big move of the free agency period. I outlined some moves I'd make as the Ravens front office that could potentially free up to $25M in cpa to spend after tenders are used by cutting some pricey veterans. You'd be down to about $17M after Thomas is here and then you figure the rest likely goes to bargain FA's and the Ravens own.

I'd take it in a heartbeat just because Thomas is one of my favorite players in the NFL

25M freed? Wow ... that is a lot. I know you said you outlined this at some point, but I can't fathom how we would manage that without releasing 1/2 the team. Not that I'm asking you to detail that here (probably better suited for a FA thread), but affording a guy like Thomas seems well beyond the realm of possibility. 

[BmoreBird22]

25M freed? Wow ... that is a lot. I know you said you outlined this at some point, but I can't fathom how we would manage that without releasing 1/2 the team. Not that I'm asking you to detail that here (probably better suited for a FA thread), but affording a guy like Thomas seems well beyond the realm of possibility. 

It required releasing Foresett ($2.3M), Daryl ($2.6M), Canty ($2.2M), Steve Smith Sr. ($3M) retiring (like he's claimed he will), post June 1st releasing Pitta ($5M), and extending Flacco ($5-$10M). I'm sure there could be other tinkerings and extensions done that will free up room, or other possible moves like cutting Arrington ($1M), but those are the ones that I see as most likely.

[PurpleCity5]

I just can't do that. We need a young impact player to build around and trading our best opportunity for that in years for an aging but great LT who will eat up much more cap than a rookie just does not sit well with me.

If we can get Tunsil or Bosa, then I wouldn't do the deal, however, if both are gone and the offer is just a first, then I can't say it's a bad deal. A lot of LT's have been bust or turning into one in recent years. I mean look no further than the 2013 draft, the first two picks haven't turned out as good as some have hoped(Fischer and Joeckel), neither has Matt Khalil from the 2014 Draft(No.4 Overall). Even though Tunsil would likely be a top 3 pick, there's no guarantee he would turn out to be a stud either. 

 

 

I honestly would rather do the deal after the draft. My thing is that next year we'll be a better team. If Cleveland wants our 2017 first and third than I'll give that up. I mean Joe Thomas and a few more pieces and we could be competing for the division. 

[Underdogsontop!]

I was searching for this thread. Imo I think our O line should be a priority in this draft so we can protect Flacco and run the ball effective enough. I like Ronnie Stanley with his pass blocking but his run blocking not as good. I don't think he's worth our 6th overall. I'd rather trade back and get Taylor Decker from Ohio state. Or jus wait till 3rd round to get Vadal Alexander from LSU, or Avery Young from Auburn in the 4th round. 

[ALPHA]

Decker looks almost pro ready, swing tackle with guard potential.

[RaineV1]

Part of the reason I'm not as into taking Stanley in the first is that I think Spriggs gives us just about everything Stanley can do (sadly with the same weakness in the running game) but we can get Spriggs in the 2nd round. It could be great to get Spriggs to help protect against edge rushers, and Boehm to help run between the tackles.

[JoeyFlex5]

what does everyone think about ryan kelly possibly in the 2nd? its an ozzie type of pick.

[ngatainmyhouse]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

what does everyone think about ryan kelly possibly in the 2nd? its an ozzie type of pick.

in doing that would Urschel go back to guard? If so I wouldn't be mad with that at all

Edited February 11, 2016 by ngatainmyhouse

[ALPHA]

15 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

in doing that would Urschel go back to guard? If so I wouldn't be mad with that at all

Yeah I think center is the most important oline position these days and is currently one of our needs. Kelly I think has an injury history.

Edited February 11, 2016 by ALPHA