2016 O-Linemen thread

[RaineV1]

I doubt the Ravens go OL early unless someone great falls to them, but it's obvious that there is room for improvement. Zuttah can handle stretch plays well enough, but he gets overpowered in short yardage situations. Monroe is hurt a lot, and Hurst just can't handle most pass rushers.

 

So, any mid-round linemen you guys think could be a gem in the rough? The next Urschel?

 

Evan Boehm, the center from Missouri looks like he could be exactly what the Ravens need. Very powerful center capable of moving around big NTs and helping the team to grind out those two yard needed for the first down.

Edited October 2, 2015 by RaineV1

[Static]

Tackle is an obv Need

[Dubs]

Brought him up in another thread but as a mid-round LT with potential to start Jason Spriggs would be my top option at this point

[Stevin]

we definitely need OT , mb even in 1st round

[rmw10]

Brought him up in another thread but as a mid-round LT with potential to start Jason Spriggs would be my top option at this point

 

That's the type of guy I'd be looking at.  I have him as a 3rd rounder guy right now.

[Wildabeast88]

That's the type of guy I'd be looking at.  I have him as a 3rd rounder guy right now.

That sounds good to me

[JO_75]

That's the type of guy I'd be looking at.  I have him as a 3rd rounder guy right now.

 

What would you say in terms of him not only being a better replacement for when Monroe is hurt compared to Hurst but also someone who could take over for Monroe long term? Getting Staley or Tunsil will be an option as long as we are in the top 5/10 but if not besides Spriggs, who else is there that we can take mid rounds and develop as a long term LT?

[Clmraven]

A few of my favorite mid to late rounds guys are C Evan Boehm, G Sebastian Tretola and OT Le'Raven Clark, all of them are probably better fit for a power run scheme, but it seems trestman still doesn't know as much about a zone scheme as Kubes did and I think we'd be better off switching to a power scheme picking up a good RB and continue building the O-line and go back to leaning on a consistent run game rather than asking joe to throw to practice squad receivers 40+ times a game.

[DomMcRaven]

A few of my favorite mid to late rounds guys are C Evan Boehm, G Sebastian Tretola and OT Le'Raven Clark, all of them are probably better fit for a power run scheme, but it seems trestman still doesn't know as much about a zone scheme as Kubes did and I think we'd be better off switching to a power scheme picking up a good RB and continue building the O-line and go back to leaning on a consistent run game rather than asking joe to throw to practice squad receivers 40+ times a game.

Le'Raven Clark is his name? Done deal. 

[JoeyFlex5]

germain ifedi from A&M is my top guy for our 2nd round pick under these circumstances... 

 

1. we dont address OT with our first 

2. ogbah, nassib, sutton, jack, and doctson are all off the board. 

 

those guys i listed are all first round talents who are currently projected as late firsts/early seconds, a bad combine from any of them and they would fall right into our laps and all of them are too great of values to pass up in the 2nd round. that may be a long list of guys i have ahead of ifedi, but it is a stretch to truly believe any of them will be available, of all the guys i legitimately consider 2nd rounders, ifedi may be my top guy.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I really liked what I've seen of Denver Kirkland out of Arkansas. I think he could be solid lineman in the 3rd or so. Wouldn't hurt to pick someone like him up assuming we don't re-sign KO and Urschel doesn't fill in as well as we all hope.

[52520Andrew]

Watching Ronnie Stanley pass block is so boring, that is how good he is at it.

[GrimCoconut]

Watching Ronnie Stanley pass block is so boring, that is how good he is at it.

Yeah. He's like butter.

[JoeyFlex5]

Watching Ronnie Stanley pass block is so boring, that is how good he is at it.

perfect explanation

[Cillmatic]

Who's currently considered the best OT?

[Wildabeast88]

Brought him up in another thread but as a mid-round LT with potential to start Jason Spriggs would be my top option at this point

agreed I saw some tape looks good to me

[Inqui]

Who's currently considered the best OT?

Depends who you ask. Stanley's technique is so good and so quick it's ridiculous, but he struggles at times with raw strength. Tunsil's packing far more power, plays with a "mean streak" (whatever that means) and while his technique isn't terrible he'll need a good bit of development.

 

Teams will prefer Tunsil because his physicality gives him a higher perceived upside, but watching Greg Robinson today I'm not convinced upside is as great as it's cracked up to be at times.

[Cillmatic]

Depends who you ask. Stanley's technique is so good and so quick it's ridiculous, but he struggles at times with raw strength. Tunsil's packing far more power, plays with a "mean streak" (whatever that means) and while his technique isn't terrible he'll need a good bit of development.

Teams will prefer Tunsil because his physicality gives him a higher perceived upside, but watching Greg Robinson today I'm not convinced upside is as great as it's cracked up to be at times.

So Stanley is pretty much Monroe? Just less injuries?

[GrimCoconut]

So Stanley is pretty much Monroe? Just less injuries?

If I had to compare, I think Stanley compares more to Michael Roos than Monroe. Roos was an amazing technician. Stanley looks like he has a better build for the position, but both win off of technique. 

[RaineV1]

After what's been going on, I wouldn't mind the Ravens picking two or three OL in the first four rounds. We really need a LT to develop, and a long term, more powerful center would be great too. Could be a good idea to sign veterans to patch up the DB and WR positions and use the draft to help us control the line of scrimmage (edge rushers, DL, OL, and maybe a running back). We saw under Kubiak what our offense can do when it controls the line the scrimmage.

[balfan23]

I doubt the Ravens go OL early unless someone great falls to them, but it's obvious that there is room for improvement. Zuttah can handle stretch plays well enough, but he gets overpowered in short yardage situations. Monroe is hurt a lot, and Hurst just can't handle most pass rushers.

 

So, any mid-round linemen you guys think could be a gem in the rough? The next Urschel?

 

Evan Boehm, the center from Missouri looks like he could be exactly what the Ravens need. Very powerful center capable of moving around big NTs and helping the team to grind out those two yard needed for the first down.

I agree that OL isn't top priority going into 2016, but at the same time, it can't be ignored. 

 

Let's not forget, we'll likely be losing KO. With Urschel likely moving into his slot, that leaves us with no quality depth. 

 

Injuries are the norm, not the exception. I won't thrown in suggestions on who to get, what round (if by draft) or who is available/affordable (if by FA) ... but just agreeing that it can't be ignored. 

[Inqui]

After what's been going on, I wouldn't mind the Ravens picking two or three OL in the first four rounds. We really need a LT to develop, and a long term, more powerful center would be great too. Could be a good idea to sign veterans to patch up the DB and WR positions and use the draft to help us control the line of scrimmage (edge rushers, DL, OL, and maybe a running back). We saw under Kubiak what our offense can do when it controls the line the scrimmage.

I'd be doing backflips if we took Stanley/Tunsil in the first and then Boehm in the 4th or Voltz in the 3rd. Imo that'd get us a line comparable to what they're packing in Dallas. Wouldn't be opposed to another guard who can play on the left or right, and with the way Ozzie thinks ahead we'll probably take someone on day three.

[edthehead]

A few of my favorite mid to late rounds guys are C Evan Boehm, G Sebastian Tretola and OT Le'Raven Clark, all of them are probably better fit for a power run scheme, but it seems trestman still doesn't know as much about a zone scheme as Kubes did and I think we'd be better off switching to a power scheme picking up a good RB and continue building the O-line and go back to leaning on a consistent run game rather than asking joe to throw to practice squad receivers 40+ times a game.

lets get Le'Raven

[edthehead]

monroe came from a loosing culture and he continues to miss games due to injury,, I understand we need him at the moment,

but is it possible we can trade him, what are his salary cap hit

[GrimCoconut]

monroe came from a loosing culture and he continues to miss games due to injury,, I understand we need him at the moment,

but is it possible we can trade him, what are his salary cap hit

Can I ask you why you think a team would trade for Monroe with his recent injury history? Not being sarcastic. I'm looking for possibly something I haven't seen. I see no reason why any team would want to trade for Monroe after all his injuries. If we don't want him, why would someone else?

[edthehead]

the question was,

 

 is it possible ?, 

i am just asking a question

Edited November 23, 2015 by edthehead

[thieverycorporation]

Can I ask you why you think a team would trade for Monroe with his recent injury history? Not being sarcastic. I'm looking for possibly something I haven't seen. I see no reason why any team would want to trade for Monroe after all his injuries. If we don't want him, why would someone else?

Well one way is he could packed to swap picks with a tackle needy team at cost that maybe a stop gap measure and needs some veteran leadership. It would be a little bargaining chip as his salary would come of the books and the team may not want to extend beyond it anyway. I'd send him packing for sixth if needed. He's still serviceable, but not an every down player. He would have to be spelled by a rookie. He still has that leadership trait going for him. Just like Suggs would have to be for a Bosa  or whomever. He doesn't have high value but some is better then none. 

[GrimCoconut]

the question was,

 

 is it possible ?, 

i am just asking a question

Sure, it's possible since the dead money wouldn't kill us. I just want to know why you think we would even do it and why a team would even trade for him.

[GrimCoconut]

Well one way is he could packed to swap picks with a tackle needy team at cost that maybe a stop gap measure and needs some veteran leadership. It would be a little bargaining chip as his salary would come of the books and the team may not want to extend beyond it anyway. I'd send him packing for sixth if needed. He's still serviceable, but not an every down player. He would have to be spelled by a rookie. He still has that leadership trait going for him. Just like Suggs would have to be for a Bosa  or whomever. He doesn't have high value but some is better then none. 

We only save 2.1M by him leaving. Do you think that's enough to justify trading him for a 6th round pick? Even as a back-up he might be worth that money more than relying on James "torn ACL to Flacco" Hurst.

[thieverycorporation]

We only save 2.1M by him leaving. Do you think that's enough to justify trading him for a 6th round pick? Even as a back-up he might be worth that money more than relying on James "torn ACL to Flacco" Hurst.

I hear yah. But I'm almost 100% sure JACLFH is toast anyway. 2mil is 2mil. So they'll be in the market anyway. Hurst is was never the answer. He gets bullied @ his position.