[News] Late For Work 10/2: Ravens Breathe Second Life Into Season

[GangofRavens]

the difference between people who know what theyre talking about, and people like you, is that just because a WR isnt blanketed doesnt mean he is open. 

 

i also heard these same moans and groans last week about marlon brown being open, even though he was actually triple covered with no throwing lane and the time it took the ball to travel would almost guarantee one of those 3 defenders intercepts it. 

 

on that sack, and i know which one you are talking about, there was nobody open, i believe it was darren waller who appeared to break open, but when you replay it you see that flacco was already on his way down and the db let up, which is the only reason he even appeared to be open for a second. 

SOoooooooooooo What is the definition of OPEN?   Any way I'm not going to argue with people LIKE YOU.  I'll just say go to this link football genius.  Then tell me if Marlon is OPEN or not or was SSS OPEN.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-tnf-storylines/0ap3000000547158/TNF-Storylines-Flacco-s-interception

Edited October 2, 2015 by GangofRavens

[RavenManiac#7]

Oh my gosh, do I wish that Campanaro could somehow get a break with all these injuries. He showed, again, last night how much talent he has. That touchdown run was a thing of beauty. I so much hope that we don't give up on him, although I just know that Harbs is probably growing extremely more intolerant of his injury history. I like the guy SO much.

[The Greek]

trestman is a quality off coord in my opinion. he is still feeling this team out and in his defense not having a deep threat or a reliable #3/4 receiver limits him on what he can call. the o-line not creating running lanes and allowing too much pressure on flacco plays into it as well. im willing to give this season to trestman and will give my performance evalution of him at the end of the season. hope he pans out for the sake of continuity

[axisofeeble]

I actually saw some Trestman genius in a couple of plays but the Trestman- Castillo ballet,zone run blocking schemes left Joe Flacco defenseless against the short side blitz. Five sacks,an int.,a fumble and a battering waiting,waiting for the Trestman plays to develop with the receivers currently on the team and healthy. Will the Bears deal Jeffery? Trade for him now,pay him because we have a chance this year

but not as currently staffed,

[RavenManiac#7]

Ozzie, PLEASE, contact the Bears. Do whatever you can to get Alshon Jeffery. He is a receiver that could help this team. No more Lee Evans, T J Whosyourmama, Stokely, etc. Jeffery is a much better receiver than the guys you are usually able to bring in, Boldin excepted. Please try to trade for this guy. He could actually help.

[JoeyFlex5]

SOoooooooooooo What is the definition of OPEN?   Any way I'm not going to argue with people LIKE YOU.  I'll just say go to this link football genius.  Then tell me if Marlon is OPEN or not or was SSS OPEN.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-tnf-storylines/0ap3000000547158/TNF-Storylines-Flacco-s-interception

the REASON that marlon brown is open, is because he broke on the ball.. ya know, the ball that he had already thrown. 

 

do you expect him to bring that ball back to his hand now that marlons man dropped his coverage to play a ball that had already been thrown? 

 

marlon brown was not an option on that play, it was a quick strike to steve smith in which he WAS open, but a heads up play by the cb to drop his single man coverage to make a play on the ball. do you honestly think marlon brown actually beat his guy and was just running wild up the sidelines? jesus man, youre not only clueless but you may be actually blind. a gutsy and brilliant play call, and great execution by the defense.

Edited October 2, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[MarioDrama]

The thing with the Ravens is that they aren't even a bad team. They just forget how to play near the end of the game. Look at losses to Oakland and Cincinnati. The defence needs to keep making key stops. Pees to me is in trouble because you have great pieces and plays off receivers 7 yards. Trust your CB's. If this team can get clicking they can make the playoffs and I still think they're the only team that can beat the Patriots.

[Ravensfansince03]

Watching the replay right now on NFL network

[Ravensfansince03]

Damn right when Camp get started, his season is now done. I know he has had issues with injuries, but at the same time, the coaches put him in as kick return and slot receiver. He got banged up a lot. I said during the offseason that the front office should sign a guy specifically for returning kicks/punts. This is exactly the reason why.

[RavensFootballFan]

I understand what SSS is talking about. Mitchell purposely tried to hurt Smith by slamming him on his back instead of hitting/pushing him out of bounds so close to boundary line. It is after all, a legal football tackle but Mitchell had a choice of hitting him out of bounds or slam him on his back, he choose the latter. Ravens defenders probably would have done the same thing Mitchell did, considering the heated rivalry between Ravens and Steelers. Ravens/Steelers games are never clean football, it is a dirty/hard hitting rivalry and that never will change. Brush it off and get a payback TD or put Mitchell on his back with a nice block when Steelers comes to Baltimore next to last game of season.

[GangofRavens]

the difference between people who know what theyre talking about, and people like you, is that just because a WR isnt blanketed doesnt mean he is open. 

 

i also heard these same moans and groans last week about marlon brown being open, even though he was actually triple covered with no throwing lane and the time it took the ball to travel would almost guarantee one of those 3 defenders intercepts it. 

 

on that sack, and i know which one you are talking about, there was nobody open, i believe it was darren waller who appeared to break open, but when you replay it you see that flacco was already on his way down and the db let up, which is the only reason he even appeared to be open for a second. 

Ok, I just rewatched the reply of that play on NFL Game Pass.  A few things for you:

 

1) The play call was to Joe's right.  He didn't throw the ball, most likely, because no WR on that side was pass the sticks or looked as if, had he thrown it, they would make it to the sticks.  That took about 2-3 seconds.

 

2) While Joe is stares down the right side of the field, again where the ball is supposed to go, Akin, NOT WALLER, was wide open form the second the ball was hiked.  When Joe's gaze finally went back left Akin was still open.  In fact Akin's defender was so far off him that Joe could have made the throw.  Akin could have come back to Joe since he was 7 yds pass the sticks and caught a ball running back towards the line of scrimmage.  

 

My point isn't that Joe should have made any throw.  My point was and remains that OUR WRs DO GET OPEN AND IF JOE AND THE WRs HAD A BETTER RAPPORT fans would not be complaining that our WRs stink.

 

Spend a hundred bucks to get Game Pass.

[RavenManiac#7]

On the Leveon Bell reverse field touchdown. Am I the only one who saw Steelers #46 tackle, hold and almost rip the helmet off of the Ravens defender, who was in position to make the tackle for a loss? How could the back judge miss this?

I saw it big time but, my bad, I thought it was #44, not #46. Regardless, your question is a Very good one. How Could the back judge miss this. I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to believe what so many have said on here forever. Maybe the refs really Are biased against us. I've never liked bringing up that as an excuse, but it does seem to be happening an awful lot. They certainly don't seem to miss our infractions, no matter How much less obvious they are than this one was.

[GangofRavens]

the REASON that marlon brown is open, is because he broke on the ball.. ya know, the ball that he had already thrown. 

 

do you expect him to bring that ball back to his hand now that marlons man dropped his coverage to play a ball that had already been thrown? 

 

marlon brown was not an option on that play, it was a quick strike to steve smith in which he WAS open, but a heads up play by the cb to drop his single man coverage to make a play on the ball. do you honestly think marlon brown actually beat his guy and was just running wild up the sidelines? jesus man, youre not only clueless but you may be actually blind. a gutsy and brilliant play call, and great execution by the defense.

There is no way in the world cockerel could have know that Joe was throwing to SSS and not Brown who was behind him.  Wilcox's point is  that from Joe's vantage point he could see what was happening and if he had not predetermined the ball was going to SSS no matter what he would have seen Brown being open.  

 

Cockerel had his back to Brown from the moment the ball was snapped and he was releasing Brown to the outside.  AND GET this.  The Steelers where in single high safety with the safety playing the middle of the field!  Joe should have seen that and should have recognized what was unfolding.  He didn't it is as simple as that.  Watch the tape again and this time look at everything.  That is always helpful.

[JoeyFlex5]

Ok, I just rewatched the reply of that play on NFL Game Pass.  A few things for you:

 

1) The play call was to Joe's right.  He didn't throw the ball, most likely, because no WR on that side was pass the sticks or looked as if, had he thrown it, they would make it to the sticks.  That took about 2-3 seconds.

 

2) While Joe is stares down the right side of the field, again where the ball is supposed to go, Akin, NOT WALLER, was wide open form the second the ball was hiked.  When Joe's gaze finally went back left Akin was still open.  In fact Akin's defender was so far off him that Joe could have made the throw.  Akin could have come back to Joe since he was 7 yds pass the sticks and caught a ball running back towards the line of scrimmage.  

 

My point isn't that Joe should have made any throw.  My point was and remains that OUR WRs DO GET OPEN AND IF JOE AND THE WRs HAD A BETTER RAPPORT fans would not be complaining that our WRs stink.

 

Spend a hundred bucks to get Game Pass.

i dont need to spend a hundred bucks to get a game pass, i can see it in real time, and i saw the slow motion instant replays as well, and i know exactly what play you are talking about and as i was watching the replay i verbally confirmed that simms was right about nobody being open. i can spot missed open receivers, i moan and groan when flacco actually misses them, but there was nobody open on this play. dont tell me what to do with my money either lol you buffoon. once again, just because a wr may appear open to a fool's untrained eye, doesnt mean theyre actually open. you need to actually learn the game of football to understand it, you cant understand it by watching replays and looking at freeze frames and focusing solely on the ball.

[GangofRavens]

the REASON that marlon brown is open, is because he broke on the ball.. ya know, the ball that he had already thrown. 

 

do you expect him to bring that ball back to his hand now that marlons man dropped his coverage to play a ball that had already been thrown? 

 

marlon brown was not an option on that play, it was a quick strike to steve smith in which he WAS open, but a heads up play by the cb to drop his single man coverage to make a play on the ball. do you honestly think marlon brown actually beat his guy and was just running wild up the sidelines? jesus man, youre not only clueless but you may be actually blind. a gutsy and brilliant play call, and great execution by the defense.

A gutsy play!? It was an obvious but lucky guess at best that Cockerel made.  Get out of town not so smart guy.

[JoeyFlex5]

There is no way in the world cockerel could have know that Joe was throwing to SSS and not Brown who was behind him.  Wilcox's point is  that from Joe's vantage point he could see what was happening and if he had not predetermined the ball was going to SSS no matter what he would have seen Brown being open.  

 

Cockerel had his back to Brown from the moment the ball was snapped and he was releasing Brown to the outside.  AND GET this.  The Steelers where in single high safety with the safety playing the middle of the field!  Joe should have seen that and should have recognized what was unfolding.  He didn't it is as simple as that.  Watch the tape again and this time look at everything.  That is always helpful.

he had his back to him? he lined up in press coverage, and backpedaled with him to the same depth of where the ball was thrown, when the ball was thrown, he broke on it, he had his eye on flacco from the snap and knew the ball was going to steve smith. are we even watching the same team here? 

[Gabriel_R]

A bright spot in our offense I believe we can look forward to in the games to come is our tight end group. Hoping that Gillmore can come back soon from his calf injury, we have a strong unit. Boyle continues to grow with each game that passes, and Williams has had his bright moments. And Gillmore just needs to stay healthy because he's become a beast this season!

[JoeyFlex5]

A gutsy play!? It was an obvious but lucky guess at best that Cockerel made.  Get out of town not so smart guy.

lol you call it a lucky guess and then blame flacco for missing a "wide open" marlon brown. if its all a lucky guess from the db then can you really blame anybody? i mean its all random luck and its not really anyones fault if thats the case. now youre just contradicting yourself

[LNB]

I saw it big time but, my bad, I thought it was #44, not #46. Regardless, your question is a Very good one. How Could the back judge miss this. I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to believe what so many have said on here forever. Maybe the refs really Are biased against us. I've never liked bringing up that as an excuse, but it does seem to be happening an awful lot. They certainly don't seem to miss our infractions, no matter How much less obvious they are than this one was.

 

I have read comments on this on many different sports sites, not just football related.  I think everyone watching the game saw it except the officiating crew.  I usually stick up for the guys in stripes, because it isn't an easy job.  Then there is the logic behind using part-time employees in one of the most important positions of a mult-billion dollar industry...

[The Mom Gene]

My husband never used to watch Football.  Now he does.  But when he first started, he loved the Bucs...  During the time they were so good.  He used to laugh at me when I would say the refs were against us.  Just this past season and these past few weeks, he's starting to see it too.  It's funny.  But I still believe it's so. 

[roamingcharges]

If Will Davis doesn't see increased playing time based on his work last night then...

[LNB]

goFund me account starting for J.Tucker asap J/K but please pay the man

I am in!!  Maybe we need to start an email campaign to Mr. Bisciotti or Ozzie to get their attention.  We want Tucker!  Pay the man!  If anyone needed reminding just how much value he brings to this team, or what it looks like to play without a consistent kicker, last night was the perfect lesson!  No Tucker = no chance at the playoffs!  I absolutely believe that.

[GangofRavens]

lol you call it a lucky guess and then blame flacco for missing a "wide open" marlon brown. if its all a lucky guess from the db then can you really blame anybody? i mean its all random luck and its not really anyones fault if thats the case. now youre just contradicting yourself

Luck on the CBs part, but not bad luck on Joe's part.  My point continues to be that Joe and the "other" WRs need to develop a rapport.  If there was one Joe could have considered for a moment in pre-snap based on where the ball was to go and the Steelers playing single high safety the idea of throwing it to Marlon who had the deeper route.

[Raven_Don]

Would like to give a shout out to the newest member of the secondary... Will Davis... played extremely well last night... played tight coverage... almost had a pick... and did a solid job on covering Brown in the slot... heck of a game young man... keep grinding...

[JoeyFlex5]

Luck on the CBs part, but not bad luck on Joe's part. My point continues to be that Joe and the "other" WRs need to develop a rapport. If there was one Joe could have considered for a moment in pre-snap based on where the ball was to go and the Steelers playing single high safety the idea of throwing it to Marlon who had the deeper route.

punctuation might make your senseless babbling a little more understandable but i guess ill try here... single high safety means one thing, he is the deepest defender, it means nothing less and nothing more. a single high safety has absolutely nothing to do with marlon brown there. the play was designed to be a quick strike, in which marlon brown draws the outside cb deep, and steve smith beats his defender on the quick out, that is a play that happens in the blink of an eye, and the defense drew up a coverage in which timmons disguised himself as the guy who was going to cover steve smiths zone, and cockrell lined up in press man coverage, the ball is being thrown as steve smith breaks on his route, if cockrell continues his man coverage on marlon brown then steve smith is wide open, but he doesnt, timmons was actually covering the intermediate sideline, while cockrells job was to dump brown and pick up steve smith on his break, by the time this could be diagnosed, the ball was already in flight. its called a zone blitz, its a tradition in pittsburgh, its been done for years, they do it better than any team, and they got us on that one. Edited October 2, 2015 by Moderator 3
Play nice

[RavensFootballFan]

SOoooooooooooo What is the definition of OPEN?   Any way I'm not going to argue with people LIKE YOU.  I'll just say go to this link football genius.  Then tell me if Marlon is OPEN or not or was SSS OPEN.

 

http://www.nfl.com/v...-s-interception

the REASON that marlon brown is open, is because he broke on the ball.. ya know, the ball that he had already thrown. 

 

do you expect him to bring that ball back to his hand now that marlons man dropped his coverage to play a ball that had already been thrown? 

 

marlon brown was not an option on that play, it was a quick strike to steve smith in which he WAS open, but a heads up play by the cb to drop his single man coverage to make a play on the ball. do you honestly think marlon brown actually beat his guy and was just running wild up the sidelines? jesus man, youre not only clueless but you may be actually blind. a gutsy and brilliant play call, and great execution by the defense.

 

I understand both of your points of views. I just watched the replay over and over. My honest opinion is that the defender left M.Brown and broke for SSS before Joe threw the ball. Whether Joe should have seen that or not before he threw the ball is up for debate. I think what happened was Joe's peripheral vision was narrowed to cornerback leaving SSS on a blitz and he did not use a wider peripheral vision to detect that another defender left M.Brown alone while gunning for SSS. On that type of play, it is very difficult for a QB to detect in real time during NFL game speed. Most human minds have great peripheral vision on two things at once, beyond that, it gets more difficult. When standing there or watching TV without worry of being hit violently, our peripheral vision is very wide, when worried about being hit in immediate area, the peripheral vision narrows on most important parts which is why even the best QBs gets intercepted. If you're comfortable driving a car and relaxed, your peripheral vision may include seeing a cute deer on side of road in the woods. If your driving defensive in less than ideal conditions, your peripheral vision will likely not see the deer on side of road in the woods, hence, Joe did not see the "deer". If this was practice without worry of being hit, Joe would likely have seen it coming because his peripheral vision would ignore the linemen and the blitz. I hope I helped explain properly on why that interception happened. 

Edited October 2, 2015 by RavensFootballFan

[Raven_Don]

The corners job wasn't to cover Marlon that play... it was great call by the Defensive coordinator.. the play was designed for Marlon to take the corner and safety deep opening up the underneath route for SSS... if he had waited one second he would have seen that Marlon was left wide open.. it was a great play designed by the Steelers... I understood what Flacco believed he saw... that would have been a big play if he had gotten to SSS... single high with a LB on SSS... I like that match up any given day of the week...

[Drew P]

I saw it big time but, my bad, I thought it was #44, not #46. Regardless, your question is a Very good one. How Could the back judge miss this. I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to believe what so many have said on here forever. Maybe the refs really Are biased against us. I've never liked bringing up that as an excuse, but it does seem to be happening an awful lot. They certainly don't seem to miss our infractions, no matter How much less obvious they are than this one was.

 

I think it was Spence that intentionally hit Flacco's leg with the crown of his helmet. It should have been a flag.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Drew P

[Raven_Don]

@JoeyFlex5... thank you sir... for breaking that down for everyone else... I am happy that I am not the only one who realized that was a great call by the Defensive coordinator... The corner was never covering Marlon just made it appeared that he was... he was covering the quick out which is a chain mover and one of the tendencies of the Ravens in that particular down and distance... great call...

[GangofRavens]

I understand both of your points of views. I just watched the replay over and over. My honest opinion is that the defender left M.Brown and broke for SSS before Joe threw the ball. Whether Joe should have seen that or not before he threw the ball is up for debate. I think what happened was Joe's peripheral vision was narrowed to cornerback leaving SSS on a blitz and he did not use a wider peripheral vision to detect that another defender left M.Brown alone while gunning for SSS. On that type of play, it is very difficult for a QB to detect in real time during NFL game speed. Most human minds have great peripheral vision on two things at once, beyond that, it gets more difficult. When standing there or watching TV without worry of being hit violently, our peripheral vision is very wide, when worried about being hit in immediate area, the peripheral vision narrows on most important parts which is why even the best QBs gets intercepted. If you're comfortable driving a car and relaxed, your peripheral vision may include seeing a cute deer on side of road in the woods. If your driving defensive in less than ideal conditions, your peripheral vision will likely not see the deer on side of road in the woods, hence, Joe did not see the "deer". If this was practice without worry of being hit, Joe would likely have seen it coming because his peripheral vision would ignore the linemen and the blitz. I hope I helped explain properly on why that interception happened.

Your point is well taken and everyone makes mistakes, but that doesn't mean the mistake was unavoidable. Yeah it's a quick throw, but there is still plenty of time to see what was going on. Lost in all this is Joe was't under duress and the play had time to develop further before the ball was thrown. I highly doubt when reviewing the tape the coaches are going to say it was an unavoidable interception.