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[DomMcRaven]

Opportunity opportunity opportunity. That's what I see for this WR corp. These guys are in the NFL for a reason and while they're not studs they just have to be good enough to make the plays that are there for them. Trestman will scheme these guys up well. If the Browns play man, it'll be a ton of crossing routes to move defenders. If it's zone he'll ask guys to run through the zone and free up a 2nd window through. The key is the oline giving Joe time.

I'm so excited for these WRs. I love opportunity.

I like how you think. I will also include our TE corps as well. Gilmore is clearly the #1 TE, but boy are Maxx and Boyle looking good. I said this before and I'll say it again, if our young pass catchers can develop, this offense can make some serious noise...especially in the postseason where the General will lead them into battle. 

 

As for our WRs, if Marlon Brown doesn't make good use of the opportunity laying in front of him, I'm done with him like i was with Dickson when Pitta was out in 2013. Givens is really intriguing. I have a soft spot for speedy receivers so I really hope he can make his presence known as early as possible. Speaking of speedy WRs with an opportunity, I'm really intrigued with how many snaps Waller will get this Sunday. I'll just leave it at that. However, all of this is a moot point if Flacco isn't protected. Just my two cents. 

[OldToby]

With joe haden still recovering from injuries and tashaun Gipson(free safety) out with an ankle injury. I expect joe to take more chances down the field.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Joe Flacco is currently 3rd is passing attempts so far this season. Not a recipe for success, especially considering our situation at WR.

That needs to change. Since 2008, pretty much every season we've passed the ball about 55% of the time or less.

The one year we were above 60% passing plays... Can you guess? 2013 of course. Right now were at about 61%.

The Browns are dead last in YPG allowed, 31st in rushing yards allowed and 31st in yards per carry allowed.

Pound the rock early and often. Let the Olineman maul and be aggressive so they can get into a groove. Then kill em with play action.

This team needs offensive balance to be successful especially as currently constructed. We NEED to establish the run and commit to it even if we are down early. Trestman are you listening?

[Ravensfan23]

I like how you think. I will also include our TE corps as well. Gilmore is clearly the #1 TE, but boy are Maxx and Boyle looking good. I said this before and I'll say it again, if our young pass catchers can develop, this offense can make some serious noise...especially in the postseason where the General will lead them into battle. 

 

As for our WRs, if Marlon Brown doesn't make good use of the opportunity laying in front of him, I'm done with him like i was with Dickson when Pitta was out in 2013. Givens is really intriguing. I have a soft spot for speedy receivers so I really hope he can make his presence known as early as possible. Speaking of speedy WRs with an opportunity, I'm really intrigued with how many snaps Waller will get this Sunday. I'll just leave it at that. However, all of this is a moot point if Flacco isn't protected. Just my two cents.

I've been a huge Brown supporter. Not really as a huge difference maker but as a really solid role player who can produce with opportunities. But I feel the exact same way as you. They'll be no reason for Joe and Trestman not to get him involved. So if he doesn't produce with Sr out the book should and will be shut on him IMO. I was one of the loudest voices saying his lack of production was because of the addition of Sr, we'll let's see.

I love the TEs. Trestman will scheme them open like he's been doing but I'm noticing them trying to work the seams more with Williams. It'll be fun to see him work if Givens can provide some space.

Speaking of Givens, I think he'll play about 15-20 snaps but it's how he'll be used that's important. Jet sweeps, screens, shallow crosses and maybe a shot play or two.

As for Waller I don'tdon't expect him to have a huge impact honestly. Aiken will be listed as #1 but I think it's Brown who gets featured the most. He's the only guy thus far that Trestman feels comfortable with in all 3 WR spots and I don't see that changing. Waller will see a good amount of snaps, but I think Juice and Boyle will be featured in the passing game more then he is. I think overall these guys will surprise and do well. The thing about question marks is they are just unanswered, it doesn't automatically mean the answers are bad.

[DomMcRaven]

I've been a huge Brown supporter. Not really as a huge difference maker but as a really solid role player who can produce with opportunities. But I feel the exact same way as you. They'll be no reason for Joe and Trestman not to get him involved. So if he doesn't produce with Sr out the book should and will be shut on him IMO. I was one of the loudest voices saying his lack of production was because of the addition of Sr, we'll let's see.

I love the TEs. Trestman will scheme them open like he's been doing but I'm noticing them trying to work the seams more with Williams. It'll be fun to see him work if Givens can provide some space.

Speaking of Givens, I think he'll play about 15-20 snaps but it's how he'll be used that's important. Jet sweeps, screens, shallow crosses and maybe a shot play or two.

As for Waller I don'tdon't expect him to have a huge impact honestly. Aiken will be listed as #1 but I think it's Brown who gets featured the most. He's the only guy thus far that Trestman feels comfortable with in all 3 WR spots and I don't see that changing. Waller will see a good amount of snaps, but I think Juice and Boyle will be featured in the passing game more then he is. I think overall these guys will surprise and do well. The thing about question marks is they are just unanswered, it doesn't automatically mean the answers are bad.

That's how I view Brown as well. He fits the #3/#4 pretty well. It's amazing how we went from Dickson and Dallas Clark to this trio of stud TEs.

 

I never feel comfortable when we run screens, but I would love to see a jet sweep here and there with Givens. Lol, I remember where Cameron ran a couple of jet sweeps for Jacoby in the preseason a few years ago, only not to be seen again come regular season.

 

As for the bolded statement, this is the reason why I'm glad these guys have the opportunity to show what they got. What is a weakness now, could be a strength as the season wanes. And by the way, how could I forget Juice? I'm ashamed of myself lol. I look for him to get a couple of touches here and there. I really hope we can convert on those 3rd (or 4th) and extremely short. Those used to be money last year. Not so much this year as illustrated in the Steelers game.   

[Ravensfan23]

That's how I view Brown as well. He fits the #3/#4 pretty well. It's amazing how we went from Dickson and Dallas Clark to this trio of stud TEs.

 

I never feel comfortable when we run screens, but I would love to see a jet sweep here and there with Givens. Lol, I remember where Cameron ran a couple of jet sweeps for Jacoby in the preseason a few years ago, only not to be seen again come regular season.

 

As for the bolded statement, this is the reason why I'm glad these guys have the opportunity to show what they got. What is a weakness now, could be a strength as the season wanes. And by the way, how could I forget Juice? I'm ashamed of myself lol. I look for him to get a couple of touches here and there. I really hope we can convert on those 3rd (or 4th) and extremely short. Those used to be money last year. Not so much this year as illustrated in the Steelers game.

Yea you can clearly see the difference in philosophy between Kubiak and Trestman. Kubiak focuses on the run because his offense can't move without it. Trestman focuses on the pass and the run game just needs to be complimentary. If they can stay on the field on 3rd downs the offense will roll IMO.

Sometimes it feels like fantasy football and Madden have clouded people perception. You can't just plug guys in and expect the offense to run like the Bengals. Those guys have been together for years and have grown in the offense. With as much youth as the Ravens have there will be some growing pains. The only way for guys to develop is to get opportunities to make some mistakes. Problem is you're playing some of the best players in the world while developing. The good thing is that none of these guys are going anywhere unless the Ravens ship them out so they can grow with Joe.

As for the difference between Can and Trestman, I love it. I've seen Trestman find more ways to get Sr the ball in 5 games then Cam did with Mason, Boldin and Torrey combined. This team has sucked at WR screens because the OC didn't run them and practice them enough. I like when Trestman runs the WR and TE screens. Who knows maybe Yanda might see a WR screen in the red zone when he lines up in the slot lol.

Juice gives Trestman some options and he's creative enough to use him. Trestman called this wheel route for Juice off of a bootleg that was wide open in the Raiders game but the ball went to Sr. I wouldn't be surprised to see him call it against an aggressive Browns defense.

[PurpleCity5]

Im concerned about Gilmore. I think Harbaugh said his injury is similar to Canty's, I hope he isn't out for that long. We'll need him in the long run.

[Cillmatic]

Gotta win this game. Looking back at the last few years we have SUCKED at drafting offense since 2009. If we win this game Ozzie will actually try to help Flacco via trade.

[I AM LEGEND]

Not to be negative....but...

Name one receiver that Joe will be throwing to 2morrow that doesn't make u put on this face :/

Exactly.

[stampedehero]

We'll be 2-3 after that, 3-3 after 49ers.

4-3 because the Cardinals will have a bad game due to OUR D and a pancaked Palmer

[stampedehero]

Not to be negative....but...

Name one receiver that Joe will be throwing to 2morrow that doesn't make u put on this face :/

Exactly.

Kamar Aiken

[stampedehero]

That's how I view Brown as well. He fits the #3/#4 pretty well. It's amazing how we went from Dickson and Dallas Clark to this trio of stud TEs.

 

I never feel comfortable when we run screens, but I would love to see a jet sweep here and there with Givens. Lol, I remember where Cameron ran a couple of jet sweeps for Jacoby in the preseason a few years ago, only not to be seen again come regular season.

 

As for the bolded statement, this is the reason why I'm glad these guys have the opportunity to show what they got. What is a weakness now, could be a strength as the season wanes. And by the way, how could I forget Juice? I'm ashamed of myself lol. I look for him to get a couple of touches here and there. I really hope we can convert on those 3rd (or 4th) and extremely short. Those used to be money last year. Not so much this year as illustrated in the Steelers game.   

Yo Dom.......Jus for sure!!!!!!   I'll back him anytime.  I hope he gets a chance to devour the Browns

[stampedehero]

Will Tal, Jus and Waller be unexpected heros? I hope these guys help us move the  chains and get a score.  I usually don't  predict scores but Ravens 24 Browns 17 feels right.  

 

Prediction Sunday Sunny and 70  Yes.......Stoppin at Johnny's sandwich shop afterwards

[Kid87]

Lol is Babin playing this week?? He wasnt on the injury report

[PurpleCity5]

I would use the same gameplan the Bengals used against us when they beat us without Greene or Jones.

Run the ball, sweeps, screens, slants and throw everything including the kitchen sink at them(I think thats the saying lol)

Edited October 10, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Cillmatic]

Not to be negative....but...

Name one receiver that Joe will be throwing to 2morrow that doesn't make u put on this face :/

Exactly.

Waller

[Cillmatic]

Bold prediction, Waller catches more than Marlon.

[January J]

That's how I view Brown as well. He fits the #3/#4 pretty well. It's amazing how we went from Dickson and Dallas Clark to this trio of stud TEs.

 

I never feel comfortable when we run screens, but I would love to see a jet sweep here and there with Givens. Lol, I remember where Cameron ran a couple of jet sweeps for Jacoby in the preseason a few years ago, only not to be seen again come regular season.

 

As for the bolded statement, this is the reason why I'm glad these guys have the opportunity to show what they got. What is a weakness now, could be a strength as the season wanes. And by the way, how could I forget Juice? I'm ashamed of myself lol. I look for him to get a couple of touches here and there. I really hope we can convert on those 3rd (or 4th) and extremely short. Those used to be money last year. Not so much this year as illustrated in the Steelers game.

i still haven't seen us hardly throw any screens. We haven't let forsett catch many passes at all, I think that needs to change.

[Cillmatic]

i still haven't seen us hardly throw any screens. We haven't let forsett catch many passes at all, I think that needs to change.

I gotta disagree with the last part. Forsett's been catching a lot, so much that it's getting annoying. Flacco goes throw his reads. No receivers, throws check off to Forsett. Hated seeing those plays with Rice, hate it with Forsett. The Flacco RB check off has been burned into my mind.

[DomMcRaven]

Yea you can clearly see the difference in philosophy between Kubiak and Trestman. Kubiak focuses on the run because his offense can't move without it. Trestman focuses on the pass and the run game just needs to be complimentary. If they can stay on the field on 3rd downs the offense will roll IMO.

Sometimes it feels like fantasy football and Madden have clouded people perception. You can't just plug guys in and expect the offense to run like the Bengals. Those guys have been together for years and have grown in the offense. With as much youth as the Ravens have there will be some growing pains. The only way for guys to develop is to get opportunities to make some mistakes. Problem is you're playing some of the best players in the world while developing. The good thing is that none of these guys are going anywhere unless the Ravens ship them out so they can grow with Joe.

As for the difference between Can and Trestman, I love it. I've seen Trestman find more ways to get Sr the ball in 5 games then Cam did with Mason, Boldin and Torrey combined. This team has sucked at WR screens because the OC didn't run them and practice them enough. I like when Trestman runs the WR and TE screens. Who knows maybe Yanda might see a WR screen in the red zone when he lines up in the slot lol.

Juice gives Trestman some options and he's creative enough to use him. Trestman called this wheel route for Juice off of a bootleg that was wide open in the Raiders game but the ball went to Sr. I wouldn't be surprised to see him call it against an aggressive Browns defense.

I'm not a fantasy football guy myself. I just care about my team winning regardless of stats. As for the Bengals, their offense is basically complete. Just look at Dalton's numbers. 

 

If anyone couldn't see the difference between Cam and Trestman, I wouldn't know what to tell them. That's why I'm not saying Trestman needs to go (I've seen it on these forums lol). This offense is just a work in progress. While I wish SSS wasn't injured, I'm glad that Flacco now has to focus on distributing the ball to others just for the Juice example you stated. Providing that Flacco is protected, I'd be greatly disappointed if we can't consistently move the ball against this Browns defense. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Joe Flacco is currently 3rd is passing attempts so far this season. Not a recipe for success, especially considering our situation at WR.

That needs to change. Since 2008, pretty much every season we've passed the ball about 55% of the time or less.

The one year we were above 60% passing plays... Can you guess? 2013 of course. Right now were at about 61%.

The Browns are dead last in YPG allowed, 31st in rushing yards allowed and 31st in yards per carry allowed.

Pound the rock early and often. Let the Olineman maul and be aggressive so they can get into a groove. Then kill em with play action.

This team needs offensive balance to be successful especially as currently constructed. We NEED to establish the run and commit to it even if we are down early. Trestman are you listening?

Exactly.. I want to see a more balanced 50/50. It also gets our RB off balance with limited snaps. Oline will always prefer to maul the front then to protect.

Jobs are so much easier and keeps the defense in front of them exhausted.

[January J]

I gotta disagree with the last part. Forsett's been catching a lot, so much that it's getting annoying. Flacco goes throw his reads. No receivers, throws check off to Forsett. Hated seeing those plays with Rice, hate it with Forsett. The Flacco RB check off has been burned into my mind.

I sure haven't seen much of it, although I didn't get to fully watch the Oakland game. However I'm more so talking about designed screens and not just check downs when nobody's open.

[Cillmatic]

I sure haven't seen much of it, although I didn't get to fully watch the Oakland game. However I'm more so talking about designed screens and not just check downs when nobody's open.

It's weird, through the years of watching I think we do the least amount of screen plays in the league. We like doing 3 yard routes on 3rd and 15 instead. Edited October 10, 2015 by Cillmatic

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Do what you will. I think this is funny. 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2577161-nfl-week-5-mike-taniers-previews-and-score-predictions/page/12

[poescrows]

Exactly.. I want to see a more balanced 50/50. It also gets our RB off balance with limited snaps. Oline will always prefer to maul the front then to protect.

Jobs are so much easier and keeps the defense in front of them exhausted.

Well, part of the reason the pass attempts have been up thus far could be because we've never had a decent lead yet. We always seam to be down or even. Just a thought. 

[Guest]

I think Juice could be a part of the passing attack. Just don't want to see it as a last second check down with the entire Cleveland linebacking corps waiting for him.

 

 

Opportunity opportunity opportunity. That's what I see for this WR corp. These guys are in the NFL for a reason and while they're not studs they just have to be good enough to make the plays that are there for them. Trestman will scheme these guys up well. If the Browns play man, it'll be a ton of crossing routes to move defenders. If it's zone he'll ask guys to run through the zone and free up a 2nd window through. The key is the oline giving Joe time.

I'm so excited for these WRs. I love opportunity.

 

Clearly this is the moment for one or two of our WR's to step up if they have what it takes.  Part of that is dependent upon Flacco not going into a "Trust Shell".  The time has arrived.

Le sigh. No Crockett. Honestly, I love Maxx, but it's very rare for a rookie to produce at TE. I think Maxx is going to be a hell of weapon in the future and that he and Crockett can be a great duo at TE.. But I don't think he's adjusted to the game speed yet. I don't blame him and I hope he proves me wrong. 

 

I love our TE trio.  They are all good.

 

now that Gilmore is also out I will admit that 47 points is a little over the top but I still wouldn't be surprised if we put up 30+

 

24 should be enough.  20 likely so.  More would be nice.

With joe haden still recovering from injuries and tashaun Gipson(free safety) out with an ankle injury. I expect joe to take more chances down the field.

 

Agreed. Joe has to let some go. 

I've been a huge Brown supporter. Not really as a huge difference maker but as a really solid role player who can produce with opportunities. But I feel the exact same way as you. They'll be no reason for Joe and Trestman not to get him involved. So if he doesn't produce with Sr out the book should and will be shut on him IMO. I was one of the loudest voices saying his lack of production was because of the addition of Sr, we'll let's see.

I love the TEs. Trestman will scheme them open like he's been doing but I'm noticing them trying to work the seams more with Williams. It'll be fun to see him work if Givens can provide some space.

Speaking of Givens, I think he'll play about 15-20 snaps but it's how he'll be used that's important. Jet sweeps, screens, shallow crosses and maybe a shot play or two.

As for Waller I don'tdon't expect him to have a huge impact honestly. Aiken will be listed as #1 but I think it's Brown who gets featured the most. He's the only guy thus far that Trestman feels comfortable with in all 3 WR spots and I don't see that changing. Waller will see a good amount of snaps, but I think Juice and Boyle will be featured in the passing game more then he is. I think overall these guys will surprise and do well. The thing about question marks is they are just unanswered, it doesn't automatically mean the answers are bad.

 

Clank Brown will have the biggest stepping up to do.  If it has to be him, so be it.  I'm looking elsewhere.

Bold prediction, Waller catches more than Marlon.

 

If he's targeted as much, I guarantee it.

[JoeyFlex5]

Exactly.. I want to see a more balanced 50/50. It also gets our RB off balance with limited snaps. Oline will always prefer to maul the front then to protect.

Jobs are so much easier and keeps the defense in front of them exhausted.

then why is it that teams going full shotgun pass only offense against us makes our defense look below NFL caliber?

[JoeyFlex5]

Do what you will. I think this is funny. 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2577161-nfl-week-5-mike-taniers-previews-and-score-predictions/page/12

fun read lol, his diagnosis on marlon brown is quite a head scratcher though, makes me wonder if hes actually watched marlon brown

[BmoreBird22]

i still haven't seen us hardly throw any screens. We haven't let forsett catch many passes at all, I think that needs to change.

the Ravens used a ton of WR screens to Steve

[Ravensfan23]

I sure haven't seen much of it, although I didn't get to fully watch the Oakland game. However I'm more so talking about designed screens and not just check downs when nobody's open.

What's your definition of a lot? Trestman has called at least 3-4 screen passes in every game, not including the Broncos game. I can only remember 1 screen to Juice in that game. Most of the screens have gone to TEs and WRs though.

Exactly.. I want to see a more balanced 50/50. It also gets our RB off balance with limited snaps. Oline will always prefer to maul the front then to protect.

Jobs are so much easier and keeps the defense in front of them exhausted.

It's hard for any offense to be 50/50 balanced. Typically the better offenses in terms of balance operate around 60/40. That's where the Ravens are right now during the first half of games. The problem is the Ravens have had double digit holes to dig out of, Flacco is passing much in up tempo situations in the 2nd half.