The um Good, Bad and really Bad vs Steelers--vent away, vent away all

[lgcs27288]

The Ravens won despite a 10.5 Total QBR from Flacco.That's the lowest QBR of his career in a win & the lowest by any starting QB this season. Either flacco sucks or we need to add GOOD players to the team. Your choice Ozzie.

QBR, I love that stat.

Not really.

[Moderator 3]

The Ravens won despite a 10.5 Total QBR from Flacco.That's the lowest QBR of his career in a win & the lowest by any starting QB this season. Either flacco sucks or we need to add GOOD players to the team. Your choice Ozzie.

QBR is a sick joke.

[ratedr]

The Ravens won despite a 10.5 Total QBR from Flacco.That's the lowest QBR of his career in a win & the lowest by any starting QB this season. Either flacco sucks or we need to add GOOD players to the team. Your choice Ozzie.

QBR?

Lol. Take a chill pill dude.

[DomMcRaven]

The Ravens won despite a 10.5 Total QBR from Flacco.That's the lowest QBR of his career in a win & the lowest by any starting QB this season. Either flacco sucks or we need to add GOOD players to the team. Your choice Ozzie.

QBR, I love that stat.

Not really.

QBR is a sick joke.

QBR?

Lol. Take a chill pill dude.

Utter disgrace of a stat...

[Moderator 3]

Utter disgrace of a stat...

Totally subjective.

[redrum52]

Really cool scene in the victorious locker room, Harbaugh congratulating the team and a game ball for Clarence Brooks, who looked gracious and emotional

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Wired-Locker-Room-Celebration-After-Steelers-Win/678f218a-cac9-48ae-97b3-cf1edfb4da18

Go Ravens!

Thanks for the link. Good stuff and Brooks was funny.

[redrum52]

Absolutely no chill whatsoever!!

Gave me a nice chuckle...

[Cillmatic]

QBR is a sick joke.

Funny how teams with the elite QB's don't say that. QBR shows how the offense offense is operating, hardly a joke. It's obvious that flacco's struggling, QBR and our eyes agree, so if Ozzie doesn't add a piece to save him he's forsaking and/or writing off Joe.

[1/28/01]

The Ravens won despite a 10.5 Total QBR from Flacco.That's the lowest QBR of his career in a win & the lowest by any starting QB this season. Either flacco sucks or we need to add GOOD players to the team. Your choice Ozzie.

Okay, everyone knows I'm no Flacco Homer, but QBR is a joke and it's embarrassing to use as part of a post or to make a point.

[DomMcRaven]

Funny how teams with the elite QB's don't say that. QBR shows how the offense offense is operating, hardly a joke. It's obvious that flacco's struggling, QBR and our eyes agree, so if Ozzie doesn't add a piece to save him he's forsaking and/or writing off Joe.

While I agree that this offense needs to be addressed, I don't think we hardly talk about that stat for elite QBs in these threads.

[52520Andrew]

I think QBR is more a reflection of the passing offense as a whole as opposed to just the QB performance. Flacco had a great one last year but looking back, our passing attack as a whole was a lot better. Then go back to 2013 when it was terrible because our O-line was awful that year. 

[chunkywill25]

They better back the brinks truck up for Marshall Yanda. If he's not the best OL in the league I want to know who is. And he's the only one they can depend on.

Seriously.. Even when our whole line is terrible, he's ALWAYS great

[The Raven]

What's your take on Castillo, the personnel and how the OL has been generally underwhelming so far? Not having a dig, I actually want to know what's going on and you seem to know your stuff.

 

I think Kubiak was better at masking our offensive line's deficiencies with his play calling than Trestman is.

 

Osemele is good, but his technique is borderline horrid sometimes. His pad level sucks and his hand placement is worse, leading to the facemask that helped us lose on Sunday. Wagner isn't that great at pass blocking on deep drops. I really love Wagner, but his footwork is a little slow sometimes, and that's getting exposed. He's at his best when you have a balanced attack and can keep the LE guessing. The pass heaviness in the first three games screwed him, and the rest of the line. Zuttah is honestly a physically weak center.

 

Trestman's play calling - and playing from behind - has put us in more long passing situations. We lack the balance we had under Kubiak. That's not all on Trestman. It also has a lot to do with fumbles, dropped passes, and bad defense. But to put it simply, playing offensive line when you're down 14 is the hardest thing in football. Period.

 

Ultimately, I don't think Castillo is a problem. When you look across the line, the technique is mostly good, except for KO, who gets by on his size and freakish athleticism, in my opinion. Zuttah's technique is great. Yanda's is great. Wagner's technique is great, even if his footwork is a little slow sometimes. Castillo is not the problem in my view. When you're playing from behind, it's hard to play oline.

Edited October 3, 2015 by The Raven

[Guest]

I think Webb's improvement is going unnoticed.  He was on Antonio Brown a good portion of plays and helped keep Brown from exploding as he has recently done vs us, granting Big Has Ben's absence played a role.

 

He overran the TD to Bey but Webb was flying around the field looking pretty darn good. He makes a pick on one play if Vic doesn't short arm it.

 

He looked to be playing with confidence and made a couple nice tackles. We've got a good safety in Will Hill.  Lewis has looked pretty spooky, but that's whats gonna happen when you mismanage a key position.

Webb's been his worst against deep routes. He lost his top end speed and has to back off the LOS to compensate. It makes the comeback route an easy completion. I think the slot is his best bet, as long as there's a safety deep. He's always been good at reading routes.

 

 

I wonder if Webb could slide over to safety

[Guest]

QBR is a sick joke.

 

Totally agree, you don't make your personnel decisions based upon statistics. You'll drive a team to ruin doing so.

[Cillmatic]

Totally agree, you don't make your personnel decisions based upon statistics. You'll drive a team to ruin doing so.

So a 10 QBR is perfectly fine and NO indication of ANYTHING? Imma have to disagree.

[ratedr]

Funny how teams with the elite QB's don't say that. QBR shows how the offense offense is operating, hardly a joke. It's obvious that flacco's struggling, QBR and our eyes agree, so if Ozzie doesn't add a piece to save him he's forsaking and/or writing off Joe.

Lol nobody takes QBR seriously. Nobody. It's not a real stat. Any stat where the formula is secret is useless.

[usmccharles]

So a 10 QBR is perfectly fine and NO indication of ANYTHING? Imma have to disagree.

I think everyone else is saying that there are more variables to consider rather than it just being on Joe, so maybe instead of a qbr, moreso a OTR = offensive team rating. I don't know... Either way, I don't care. If we are going to talk about any regular season stats about Joe, not too many ppl will be happy.

[ratedr]

Flacco had a bad game but I don't need a fake stat like QBR to tell me that.

[Tru11]

QB rating >>>>>>>> ESPN QBR.

[Cillmatic]

I think everyone else is saying that there are more variables to consider rather than it just being on Joe, so maybe instead of a qbr, moreso a OTR = offensive team rating. I don't know... Either way, I don't care. If we are going to talk about any regular season stats about Joe, not too many ppl will be happy.

I'm using QBR to show that Joe OBVIOUSLY needs help and that Ozzie should add a piece.

[Tank 92]

I'm using QBR to show that Joe OBVIOUSLY needs help and that Ozzie should add a piece.

 

lol  Don't think you need any rating or other metric to illustrate the need. The question would be is there a piece(s) out there that could step in and help more than Waller, Butler, etc.. 

[jimmypowder]

That QB sneak on 4th and 1 was the worst QB sneak since Jameis Winston tried to steal crab legs

Yeah it was a long one yard too . Too far to attempt a sneak . A terrible call .

[jimmypowder]

Flacco had a bad game but I don't need a fake stat like QBR to tell me that.

It was a poor game by Joe and he admitted it after the game .

Joe tends to have some of these games early in the year .

[Guest]

It was a poor game by Joe and he admitted it after the game . Joe tends to have some of these games early in the year .

 

Yeah, not Flaccos best for a number of reasons, but when one realizes we outgained them by 100 yards and committed two Joe Turnovers, the game should not have been that close.

 

I was impressed with the play of so many of our players, I really became optimistic again. I've mentioned before what I perceive as the improved play by Webb. Jimmy Smith played closer to his ability. Davis looked like a wonderful addition in his limited reps.  Lets not forget the two sacks by Z. Smith.  Brandon Williams was a force. The offensive line was good in run blocking. Little weak at the edges in pass blocking, but maybe we get Monroe back and it shores up some. Forsett was good again. Will Hill is beginning to look precisely like what we need. Another game like that and I may be jersey shopping. Aiken made a couple very nice grabs.  That one in the endzone looked like T.Smith. Boyle and Williams flashed in limited opportunities. Buck ran a nice one carrying a stooler. I even liked the very limited play of my selected longshot D. Waller. I also agree with someone that stated, Flacco's play improved after S.Smith went out. Camp looked great, but what can you say about his propensity for injury. If he can cement up some, he'd be a big advantage for us.

 

On to Cleveland, that was a big game with big defensive stops when we had to have them. I know folks will say, Big Has Ben would have shredded us and I do believe we caught a break by him being out, but come next meeting one has to believe we will be more than ready.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Danny D

[Guest]

I need to say one final thing about Will Hill.  There was a play where L. Bell, reversed field per my recollection and slid behind their O Line to the sideline. Bell turned on the speed and was in open field with only Will Hill to beat. In that situation Bell is mercury and he put a wonderful move on Will Hill and cut like a lightning bolt for the inside. Without Hill's amazing tackle on that play, Bell would have scored.  I 've got the game recorded and will cite the precise game time later. Not at home right now, but that was a high talent play by Mr. Hill.  The highest.

Edited October 3, 2015 by Danny D

[757RavensFan]

Something to think about, we've beat the Steelers 3 out of the last 4 games.

[beanfigger]

I need to say one final thing about Will Hill. There was a play where L. Bell, reversed field per my recollection and slid behind their O Line to the sideline. Bell turned on the speed and was in open field with only Will Hill to beat. In that situation Bell is mercury and he put a wonderful move on Will Hill and cut like a lightning bolt for the inside. Without Hill's amazing tackle on that play, Bell would have scored. I 've got the game recorded and will cite the precise game time later. Not at home right now, but that was a high talent play by Mr. Hill. The highest.

I believe that was third and short late in the game and led to them turning it over on downs the next play. Huge tackle by Hill. He was on a mission Thursday.

[jimmypowder]

Something to think about, we've beat the Steelers 3 out of the last 4 games.

Bad juju for Tomlin by trying to trip Jacoby .

[757RavensFan]

Any love of flaccos TD to Aiken, his best pass of the night.

Flacco's best pass of the game was the throw to Aiken for the 1st down at the end of regulation. He stood in there and made that throw right before getting drilled in the back. It also got Tucker in FG range to send the game into OT.