The um Good, Bad and really Bad vs Steelers--vent away, vent away all

[redrum52]

Watching the replay now. Just realized Steelers didn't score again from 10:41 in 3rd. Kinda crazy to see an offense other than ours disappear like that.

[The Raven]

Following up on a conversation several pages back:

 

Joe Flacco is not responsible for calling protections. If anything, his job is to identify the Mike. In the case of protection schemes, the Mike is the fifth man the oline is responsible for blocking. For example, the OL blocks the front, and then blocks one LB that is the Mike. This is NOT always the MLB.

 

After the QB identifies the Mike, it is up to the offensive line and the running backs to determine how they will block the defense. Sometimes they will communicate this, and other times, the protection scheme is outlined in the play call. There are plenty of blitz pick up strategies, blocking schemes, and blocking rules that go into account with this stuff. You can block inside out, where the OL blocks inside gap and the RB picks up the outside pressure. You can do BOB (Back on Backer) which usually entails OL blocking their outside gap and the RB looks for inside blitzes. And of course, you can slide left of right.

[jazz1988]

Don't know about that. Why wouldn't he want a promotion like everybody else?

 

Good question. Some position coaches know their limitations and know what they are best at only.  Of course  being a  defensive coordinator means more money and more opportunities  but it brings alot of pressure because you have to game plan, teach the scheme, and actually call good plays atleast consistently or face being fired. I'm sure position coaches still help with game planning but at end of the day their responsibilities are only on the position they are assigned to .

[balfan23]

The Good: We actually made an in-game defensive adjustment. We were over aggressive on pass rush in the 1st half and lost containment. When we took away Vick's running lanes, he took an extra second, we'd get off our block and get a sack. 

 

The Bad: Joe giving the ball away. Bad read on the first pick and absolute carelessness on the fumble. As Vito Corleone once said, "Women and children can afford to be careless, but not men". 

 

The Ugly: The win itself will be viewed as ugly, but who cares ... it is a win (and one we desperately needed)

[DWplayer]

Scobee is the player of the game. Tomlin is the coach of the game for not kicking it even if his kicker sucks. 

True dat.

[ellicottraven]

Surprised feels like an understatement. I have to go with shocked or stunned beyond belief. 

 

I've not made this mistake in many years ... to walk away from a game before it is actually over, thinking it is over. When we turned over on downs, I thought they could go into victory formation. I shut off the TV, got ready for bed but then thought I'd check these boards once before turning. 

 

Then I saw we were in OT and watch the rest. Given that the Steelers looked poised to win it in OT, I was thinking I'm cursed and should just turn it off again! But I reminded myself that I have nothing to do with the outcome and watched anyway.

 

Somewhat embarrassed to say that I gave up too quickly. 

The difference between you and I is clearly what is between our ears! Although I know deep inside the crevices of my psyche that me turning off the TV has nothing to do with the outcome, I still do! I watch my phone closely for updates from Ravens.com and keep hitting the refresh button on the boards to get a sense of what's going on. If there's excited chatter on the board praising some Raven, the TV goes on, but if there is anger spewing at everybody and sundry, the TV stays off! That is how ridiculous my thought process is. You are a very smart and pragmatic man sir, for realizing that you have no control over the outcome!

Edited October 2, 2015 by ellicottraven

[BmoreBird22]

One thing I thought was a bit overstated in the game thread was all of these people complaining about Trestman for running three yard routes with four to go, as an example. Realize that Trestman calls the play, not the distance. If he calls a curl route on third and six, the receiver needs to go at least seven and come back. Trestman doesn't say, "Hey, go five yards on this six yard down." 

 

This is very similar to how Pees doesn't tell his players how to align themselves in coverage. 

 

As far as the depth on those routes are concerned, that's on the receiver to have better awareness of where the sticks are and how deep they need to run their route. I'd imagine Engram will hammer the receivers for this when they see the film next week.

[Static]

Webb was matched up against Antonio Brown plenty of times. I honestly think he did better than the numbers indicated. Sure he had some bad plays but overall he was ok. AB is no scrub, you can ask Joe Haden.

I really think we should give Terrence Brooks some reps out there.

Will Davis , Jimmy and Webb all covered AB.

And Brooks def. Needs a shot

[arnie_uk]

One thing I thought was a bit overstated in the game thread was all of these people complaining about Trestman for running three yard routes with four to go, as an example. Realize that Trestman calls the play, not the distance. If he calls a curl route on third and six, the receiver needs to go at least seven and come back. Trestman doesn't say, "Hey, go five yards on this six yard down."

This is very similar to how Pees doesn't tell his players how to align themselves in coverage.

As far as the depth on those routes are concerned, that's on the receiver to have better awareness of where the sticks are and how deep they need to run their route. I'd imagine Engram will hammer the receivers for this when they see the film next week.

did he not go with kubes?

[BmoreBird22]

did he not go with kubes?

No, he stayed, and so did Hammock.

[PurpleCity5]

Will Davis , Jimmy and Webb all covered AB.

And Brooks def. Needs a shot

I don't think we should just start Brooks immediately, I think we should give him a few snaps and see how he does. If begins to outplay Lewis than that's when you start him. 

[H8ME]

Webb has got to go... Poor guy is done

 

Webb needs to be in slot. The two ACL tears have caught up w/him. 

[The Raven]

Webb needs to be in slot. The two ACL tears have caught up w/him. 

 

The ACL tears would make it even harder for him to play slot, where he doesn't have the sideline to help him. Uh, common sense, right?

[berad]

Super underrated is how amazing Darren Waller has been on Special Teams so far.  He's been very close to blocking several punts and has been fantastic as a gunner on punts.

Good point. This also keeps his on the gameday roster instead of in sweatpants like other developmental guys.

[berad]

Really cool scene in the victorious locker room, Harbaugh congratulating the team and a game ball for Clarence Brooks, who looked gracious and emotional

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Wired-Locker-Room-Celebration-After-Steelers-Win/678f218a-cac9-48ae-97b3-cf1edfb4da18

Go Ravens!

[Drew P]

Webb needs to be in slot. The two ACL tears have caught up w/him. 

 

Who will play the outside? Melvin was a healthy scratch for a reason.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Drew P

[BmoreBird22]

The ACL tears would make it even harder for him to play slot, where he doesn't have the sideline to help him. Uh, common sense, right?

Yeah, way too much lateral movement in the slot.

[Static]

That QB sneak on 4th and 1 was the worst QB sneak since Jameis Winston tried to steal crab legs

[52520Andrew]

Line looked worse due to many coverage sacks. Flacco held the ball since apparently no one can get open. So the 5 sack performance wasnt all the lines fault. All in all, they played a B- sorta game.

 

They still struggled in pass pro though, Yanda did well but Heyward tore them apart all night long. I think the defense actually holding firm(not to mention Scobee missing field goals) helped us more than anything. I mean it was Vick at QB so they should have but still, offense got a lot of chances to get their act together at the end of that game.

[Gordo52]

Really cool scene in the victorious locker room, Harbaugh congratulating the team and a game ball for Clarence Brooks, who looked gracious and emotional

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Wired-Locker-Room-Celebration-After-Steelers-Win/678f218a-cac9-48ae-97b3-cf1edfb4da18

Go Ravens!

Thanks for sharing, that was great.

"That's my coach, that's my coach!" Haha

[hawkprey]

Yeah, way too much lateral movement in the slot.

Webb's been his worst against deep routes. He lost his top end speed and has to back off the LOS to compensate. It makes the comeback route an easy completion. I think the slot is his best bet, as long as there's a safety deep. He's always been good at reading routes.

[gtalk12]

I wonder if Webb could slide over to safety

[beanfigger]

Line looked worse due to many coverage sacks. Flacco held the ball since apparently no one can get open. So the 5 sack performance wasnt all the lines fault. All in all, they played a B- sorta game.

I agree with this. I might even give them a higher grade than that. Run blocking was so stellar it makes up for a lot. Forsett didn't even get touched until he was 15-20 yards down the field at times. Awesome to see.

[PurpleCity5]

I agree with this. I might even give them a higher grade than that. Run blocking was so stellar it makes up for a lot. Forsett didn't even get touched until he was 15-20 yards down the field at times. Awesome to see.

This is also a good Steelers run stuffing group.

Edited October 2, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Static]

I wonder if Webb could slide over to safety

Honestly could work.

[Inqui]

Following up on a conversation several pages back:

 

Joe Flacco is not responsible for calling protections. If anything, his job is to identify the Mike. In the case of protection schemes, the Mike is the fifth man the oline is responsible for blocking. For example, the OL blocks the front, and then blocks one LB that is the Mike. This is NOT always the MLB.

 

After the QB identifies the Mike, it is up to the offensive line and the running backs to determine how they will block the defense. Sometimes they will communicate this, and other times, the protection scheme is outlined in the play call. There are plenty of blitz pick up strategies, blocking schemes, and blocking rules that go into account with this stuff. You can block inside out, where the OL blocks inside gap and the RB picks up the outside pressure. You can do BOB (Back on Backer) which usually entails OL blocking their outside gap and the RB looks for inside blitzes. And of course, you can slide left of right.

What's your take on Castillo, the personnel and how the OL has been generally underwhelming so far? Not having a dig, I actually want to know what's going on and you seem to know your stuff.

[lgcs27288]

What's your take on Castillo, the personnel and how the OL has been generally underwhelming so far? Not having a dig, I actually want to know what's going on and you seem to know your stuff.

Well...

Before last night, Flacco was only sacked in week 1. Then last night happened.... However, they paved the way for Forsett.

Also, a few of those sacks last night were "coverage" sacks

I don't think they are playing bad, just not up to par with last year.

[Inqui]

Well...

Before last night, Flacco was only sacked in week 1. Then last night happened.... However, they paved the way for Forsett.

Also, a few of those sacks last night were "coverage" sacks

I don't think they are playing bad, just not up to par with last year.

They've been serviceable in the passing game, nothing flash but giving Joe at least a bit of time. I'm more concerned about the running game, where up until yesterday Forsett had next to no room to work with. Even yesterday was very up and down, where Yanda in particular would do a fantastic job of opening up a channel but on the next running play there'd be four Steelers on Forsett the second he got the ball. And all the flags KO and Zuttah got against the Bengals suggested they were overmatched (on those plays at least), so something isn't quite right after the big years they had last season.

 

And not playing up to par from last year is definitely something I'm interested in the cause of - when Castillo came under fire in 2013 The Raven's arguments convinced me it was more about the personnel so I want to know what's going on now that it seems to have tailed off again.

[DomMcRaven]

That QB sneak on 4th and 1 was the worst QB sneak since Jameis Winston tried to steal crab legs

Absolutely no chill whatsoever!!

[Cillmatic]

The Ravens won despite a 10.5 Total QBR from Flacco.That's the lowest QBR of his career in a win & the lowest by any starting QB this season. Either flacco sucks or we need to add GOOD players to the team. Your choice Ozzie.