Whats happening to the ravens

[Gordo52]

I find it very hard to believe that Elam was BPA

You see the thing is, you don't have to believe that.

I however, do believe, that Elam was the baddest player available.

[usmccharles]

You see the thing is, you don't have to believe that.

I however, do believe, that Elam was the baddest player available.

 

bad as in good? bad as in bad? bad as in glad?

[FlackAttack]

last draft i can legitimately remember being excited about and actually looking forward to seeing the players on the field was 2008. i also got more excited than usual after this years draft because of the early offensive moves, but obviously its going to be yet another letdown.

 

we need to make some super behind the scene staff changes after this season. no way this team goes better than 7-9 or 8-8 this year. and people seem to forget how bad we played during some parts of the 2014 season and got extremely lucky at the end by limping into the playoffs due to a ugly win against the browns and KC beating SD. theres really no excuse for our inconsistent and poor execution over the past couple seasons after winning a SB and purging half the team.

[Gordo52]

bad as in good? bad as in bad? bad as in glad?

You tell me.

Do note Michael Jackson was inspired by his play when he wrote a certain song back in 87.

[Tru11]

I find it very hard to believe that Elam was BPA

 

guess you don't watch college at all.

or the combine or pro days for that matter.

[Sami84]

losing mcphee was huge. He's dominating again even with a poor team.

[Sami84]

Joe hasn't played well. Lets be clear on that. He's  3rd from bottom in PFF. Thats not acceptable. Unless he steps up and starts playing with more confidence even when under pressure i'd like harbs to call him out. Right now he's living off that magical run and at best solid seasons combined with plenty of below average to bad seasons. If he continues to play like this we should consider a trade and look for another QB. 

 

He's missed plenty of throws and missed open receivers. I've watched coaches film over the last few days and I'm starting to see that while the wr's aren't great ( going to be far worse from here on end) Joe is missing routine throws and not seeing the field.

 

I personaly am for a change in QB unless he shows that he can overcome the odds. He isn't worth the cap.

[usmccharles]

guess you don't watch college at all.

or the combine or pro days for that matter.

Actually i dont watch college ball, dont really have a team so it always made it hard for me to watch.  Ill catch a game every now and then, actually watched the Clemson ND game this weekend. 

 

 

You tell me.

Do note Michael Jackson was inspired by his play when he wrote a certain song back in 87.

Oh thats easy, it must be "Man in the Mirror"

[Tru11]

Actually i dont watch college ball, dont really have a team so it always made it hard for me to watch.  Ill catch a game every now and then, actually watched the Clemson ND game this weekend. 

 

 

Oh thats easy, it must be "Man in the Mirror"

 

well his college tape was pretty impressive and if he was bigger he would probably have gone sooner in the draft.

 

the way he plays in the nfl is really quite the opposite to how he played in college.

 

he has all the talent and potential to be quality safety but its going to be hard for him to have it all come out.

[PurpleCity5]

losing mcphee was huge. He's dominating again even with a poor team.

Yeah, he's look great these past two games. I honestly miss him more than Torrey, Ngata or anyone we lost for that matter. Too bad we couldn't keep him. 

 

Losing McPhee, Ngata and Suggs all together will obviously hurt your pass rush. 

Edited October 6, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[salamander]

Crazy, unexpected things happen every week in the NFL. I have not given up on this team, nor can I anticipate how much comes together or fails to come together for the Ravens. All I know is that a lot of work needs to be done to become the winning contender of a team we were projected to be.

Edited October 16, 2015 by salamander

[usmccharles]

well his college tape was pretty impressive and if he was bigger he would probably have gone sooner in the draft.

the way he plays in the nfl is really quite the opposite to how he played in college.

he has all the talent and potential to be quality safety but its going to be hard for him to have it all come out.

could it be that he just didn't face elite talent, like actual nfl quality players? I'm actually asking...

[Guest Omerta]

To answer the original question presented, we must look at what is actually happening to the team. Maybe not so much in the sense of some mystified guess, but to sit back and call me assess what we are doing and what our current situation is in comparison to past teams.

 

I really think this is nothing more than rebuilding. There is absolutely nothing wrong with rebuilding as we have had a tremendous amount of turnover from our championship team. This is not a bad thing this is just the nature of free agency in sports especially when you consider a large market teams, this is not necessarily something that has to do with a cap, however advertisers are usually willing to pay more in top dollar markets. Look at somebody like Haloti Ngata who was pitching Royal Farms chicken, in comparison to Robert Griffin the III who was pitching a myriad of products that might not necessarily reflect in his contract but certainly reflects in his bank account. This is relevant because it seems as though a lot of our players seem to leave for what they think are greener pastures and by greener I mean money. So when looking at the incredible amount of turnover you are left with two conclusions. One is that we are extremely young and the drafts are even more paramount because we must hit on them and expect those players to contribute immediately. Secondly, the learning curve for these rookies is going to be judged much more harshly because of the draft picks that we do have in the expectations that are placed upon them. So when considering both of these factors I am not surprised that the turnover that this team has experience, due in large part to pass draft success that is taking the eye of other general managers in the league.

 

Our past drafts have been graded on a much harsher grading scale because of what our expectations are. When you look at these past draft I did not see anything that screams just flat-out failure except for maybe two. Look at people we have such as CJ Mosley, Jimmy Smith, Brandon Williams, Carl Davis, John Urschel, Crockett Gillmore, max Williams, and then to consider what we have done in free agency bringing in guys such as will Hill, Steve Smith, and Justin for a sec I am certainly not mad at how things have turned out from a talent standpoint in comparison to rosters around the league. The difference is that we are young and all of these young people have to learn the finer points of the game at the exact same time, which is going to be expected with a learning curve.

 

I do not consider now is the time to panic, I interned see it from an optimistic perspective of now the talent evaluation of younger players is a sense of the future success which can be a good thing. When looking at all the young talent that we have in all the pieces in the potential that belies a lot of our recent draft choices I am optimistic that once the steam starts learning how to play together, and gels to the point where they know how each other is going to play at any given time is comforting. I think missing the playoffs one or two seasons are not exactly having the greatest record in the regular season is not a bad thing. I just think it is a natural occurrence in sports in the salary cap era.

 

I am also looking at some of our compensatory picks that we may have and I believe that with savvy drafting that has become a hallmark of the Ozzie Newsome and Eric De Costa era we are going to be in good hands for the future. Thinking about guys who have gone on to play in other teams I would not be surprised to see is awarded to third round picks or at least a third and a fourth round pick considering one player is growing to be a franchise quarterback and the other one is becoming the pass rusher that the other team had envisioned in becoming dominant at that. Just those two alone a reason for optimism that in this draft we are going to have either a huge influx of talent or trade leverage to be able to move up to acquire more prolific talent. So when coupling that with a mid-range stick I do not necessarily think that is a bad thing, however, I do not want to see us drafting and midrange pics for very much longer. Soon I expect to see us drafting in the thirties again considering how many pics that we do have for the leverage we can use to acquire prolific talent. Now I know some will say that I see nous sommes draft record is floating or propping up recent draft but looking at the last two or three draft I'm not really seeing a whole lot of failure considering what most teams harvest that of a standard draft.

 

Now I know what is happening to our team I think the explanation is for more long winded with them what is actually happening. I think simply we are just rebuilding, absolutely normal considering the parody that is meant to be created in the league.

[Tru11]

could it be that he just didn't face elite talent, like actual nfl quality players? I'm actually asking...

 

not really.

 

Florida is in the SEC which is regarded as the strongest division in college football.

well at least in that period.

 

usually there where quite a few games against some of the other top colleges.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Our safeties are eating too conservatively now. People forget that Elam was chosen 32nd overall.

 

Its too bad Matt got injured because he would have been competing for a starting position. I'm just not convinced he has what it takes to be a standout safety. Just because he was chosen 32nd doesn't make him a stud. I have a friend whose son was a Kodak All-American linebacker for the University of Washington. He played in two Rose Bowls with Mark Brunell. Although he was drafted by the Chicago Bears, he didn't make it in Pro Ball.

[Gordo52]

Its too bad Matt got injured because he would have been competing for a starting position. I'm just not convinced he has what it takes to be a standout safety. Just because he was chosen 32nd doesn't make him a stud. I have a friend whose son was a Kodak All-American linebacker for the University of Washington. He played in two Rose Bowls with Mark Brunell. Although he was drafted by the Chicago Bears, he didn't make it in Pro Ball.

Look. What I'm trying to say is. If Elam was healthy, this 1-3 season would make much more sense.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Look. What I'm trying to say is. If Elam was healthy, this 1-3 season would make much more sense.

 I would agree with you. We might even be 0-4.

[Dfence4champs2052]

We're either too old or too young in too many spots and we rely on too many players with past injury histories who continue to keep getting hurt, and without enough quality depth behind those players as insurance.

Mainly because we've recently had too many weak drafts and too much dead money on our salary cap.

Sums it up perfectly.

[FlackAttack]

We're either too old or too young in too many spots and we rely on too many players with past injury histories who continue to keep getting hurt, and without enough quality depth behind those players as insurance.

Mainly because we've recently had too many weak drafts and too much dead money on our salary cap.

 

before the season started, 90% of the people on this board and a very small amount of sports analysts said the complete opposite of your post. people swore up and down the ravens were the most "all around" team in the league and had great depth to make a super bowl run. i was regularly stating the opposite that both our pass rush and secondary were still lacking depth. and was also skeptic about our running game. these first 4 games have completely proved my point. three of our biggest weaknesses.

[ravensfanatik]

A lot of poor drafting the last 5 years

 

Yes. Thats the point.

[baltimorefan328]

I think the one thing that worries me is being confident to a fault.  I really share with Omerta's sentiment, however we see this is really 3 years in a row now where Ozzie has been confident in a certain position group even though it wasn't that strong to begin with and was one injury away from real trouble: 2013 O-line, 2014 Secondary, this years WRs.  The issue is you see a lot of these big splash free agents not live up to their contracts, so making a huge splash isn't always the answer either.  I would just like to see a little more proactivity when there is a clear position group that is likely to struggle.

 

Now he fixed the o-line a year later, hes somewhat fixed the secondary a year later, so hopefully the WRs gets fixed next year; but I don't like fixing problems the year after they occur I want proactive plans to at least reduce issues the year they may arise.  Even with Perriman, again he would be a rookie asked to do a lot and was (is) one injury away from not playing.

[Dfence4champs2052]

The cautious optimism is gone...that much is for sure. I see posts saying "8-8 might get the 6th seed" etc. etc. Name seven more games we will win. NOBODY CAN KNOW ANYMORE......after what we've done these first five games especially with all these losses in our conference or division. We're cooked.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I think the one thing that worries me is being confident to a fault.  I really share with Omerta's sentiment, however we see this is really 3 years in a row now where Ozzie has been confident in a certain position group even though it wasn't that strong to begin with and was one injury away from real trouble: 2013 O-line, 2014 Secondary, this years WRs.  The issue is you see a lot of these big splash free agents not live up to their contracts, so making a huge splash isn't always the answer either.  I would just like to see a little more proactivity when there is a clear position group that is likely to struggle.

 

Now he fixed the o-line a year later, hes somewhat fixed the secondary a year later, so hopefully the WRs gets fixed next year; but I don't like fixing problems the year after they occur I want proactive plans to at least reduce issues the year they may arise.  Even with Perriman, again he would be a rookie asked to do a lot and was (is) one injury away from not playing.

 

Excuse me but the secondary has not been fixed. AND, if it ain't broken, make it better. Ozzie has been reactive versus proactive and it dates back several years. He waited too long to draft an understudy for Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Torrey Smith among others. Those players could have helped groom their replacements. It is nice to see Dennis Pitta coaching up our three young TEs. It is expensive but it will pay dividends in the long run, hopefully.

[baltimorefan328]

Excuse me but the secondary has not been fixed. AND, if it ain't broken, make it better. Ozzie has been reactive versus proactive and it dates back several years. He waited too long to draft an understudy for Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and Torrey Smith among others. Those players could have helped groom their replacements. It is nice to see Dennis Pitta coaching up our three young TEs. It is expensive but it will pay dividends in the long run, hopefully.

I agree with you, that's why i said I want proactive plans not how Ozzie has been doing it recently

[edthehead]

before you all go crazy , read first

     

     Our problem is the culture that coach HARB wanted to create,he wanted to have a really good team with good people

kinda like the Patroits ,,only problem is,, he is not the coach with a high football I.Q,  

     Many coaches truly understand the game and put coaches in place so that players can be put in place,,, Anyway back to the question and the answer is we need some crazy aggressive insane players, we have a good team, with high character players,, but we have no fight,,,

     if anybody has played the game before then you know,,,, 

[FastEddie]

before you all go crazy , read first

     

     Our problem is the culture that coach HARB wanted to create,he wanted to have a really good team with good people

kinda like the Patroits ,,only problem is,, he is not the coach with a high football I.Q,  

     Many coaches truly understand the game and put coaches in place so that players can be put in place,,, Anyway back to the question and the answer is we need some crazy aggressive insane players, we have a good team, with high character players,, but we have no fight,,,

     if anybody has played the game before then you know,,,, 

 

I can understand that in addition to poor drafting as someone mentioned earlier. I mean I like Harbs as the head coach, but at least get some coordinators in place that want to do the dirty work with the right mentatlity...right now with Pees and Treastman we couldn't have a more vanilla mindset.......we got guys at the castle sitting around collecting pay checks with absolutely no hunger for the game.

[FlackAttack]

I can understand that in addition to poor drafting as someone mentioned earlier. I mean I like Harbs as the head coach, but at least get some coordinators in place that want to do the dirty work with the right mentatlity...right now with Pees and Treastman we couldn't have a more vanilla mindset.......we got guys at the castle sitting around collecting pay checks with absolutely no hunger for the game.

 

ya know..  all this "fire dean pees" talk really is deviating from the fact that trestman is downright awful.

Edited October 16, 2015 by FlackAttack