Trade Steve Smith away to a real SB contender

[52520Andrew]

lets have this talk when we are closer to the trade deadline.

Yeah I think it is still too early to tell, if we hit the deadline then I wouldn't be against it as the guy deserves another shot at a ring.

[Willbacker]

Yep we can trade him to Carolina or better yet The Falcons.

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Why would a team take a dude who is retiring? 

Because it could help a team like the Packers (lost Nelson) or Seahawks win a Superbowl, and they wouldn't have to give up much. It would be an extremely classy move. If we're 2-5, it should be done.

Edited September 30, 2015 by SomeCreepinaVan

[izvoodoo]

If we're 0-5 sure.  When's the trade deadline?  

[SomeCreepinaVan]

If we're 0-5 sure.  When's the trade deadline?  

October 28. We don't need to be 0-5 to see we won't make the playoffs.

[Guest]

I think Steve Smith considers himself a Raven.  He has played like one.  It seems our best receivers are not "homemade".  I think Steve wants to go out with the Ravens or take it all the way with the Ravens.

 

Either way, there is still a chance.

[Guest]

The way I read the board back then was, Boldin was aging and could no longer get separation so the FO was wise to get rid of him when they did, unloading his cost and getting something in return; Pitta, will do Boldin's job; Joe didn't need a high priced receiver because he can make average receivers look great (Drew Brees was used as the example of making average look great).

 

Also, being stated how RBs were a dime a dozen and only an average one was necessary. The off season following the Super Bowl win was a very strange time on this board.  

 

Yeah, the off season after the Championship was bizarre to say the least.  And many here were saying precisely those things because the Front Office's actions were "speaking" precisely those things.  The Fans here looked at Boldin's Fantasy Football stats and said, "Hey Boldin is not getting enough points compared to other receivers...he can't be that good."  But "good" wasn't the measure. The question was "How valuable was Boldin to the Ravens?"  That was an entirely different quantifier and the answer was far more valuable than his stats in Fantasy Football.  He was our possession receiver and our "trust" receiver.  He also was coming off a series where he clearly became a favorite of Flacco as well. Here we are 3 years later and we still have not returned to that form and that is true even with Steve Smith, who is remarkable.

 

Lastly, Boldin though never fast and never having gained his separation from speed is still nearly as good as he was, with a truly mediocre QB throwing.  We have not recovered from that mistake. In fact, we seem to have repeated it by removing from Flacco  receivers he had some rapport with. 

 

Someone has to step up at WR.  It doesn't matter who, but they must step up for us to attain our goals this year.

[HoldingCall]

Definitely against trading SSS even if the team goes 0-8. Besides, it's still a gamble with no guarantee the results will work out as expected. Season ticket holders will feel alienated and many more fans will just not go to the games. Even after the trade, the next season could suffer some unforeseen circumstance/s that prevents a rebound. Then you have to rebuild a team and fans base. Bad deal! Best to stick it out!

[HoldingCall]

Yeah, the off season after the Championship was bizarre to say the least.  And many here were saying precisely those things because the Front Office's actions were "speaking" precisely those things.  The Fans here looked at Boldin's Fantasy Football stats and said, "Hey Boldin is not getting enough points compared to other receivers...he can't be that good."  But "good" wasn't the measure. The question was "How valuable was Boldin to the Ravens?"  That was an entirely different quantifier and the answer was far more valuable than his stats in Fantasy Football.  He was our possession receiver and our "trust" receiver.  He also was coming off a series where he clearly became a favorite of Flacco as well. Here we are 3 years later and we still have not returned to that form and that is true even with Steve Smith, who is remarkable.

 

Lastly, Boldin though never fast and never having gained his separation from speed is still nearly as good as he was, with a truly mediocre QB throwing.  We have not recovered from that mistake. In fact, we seem to have repeated it by removing from Flacco  receivers he had some rapport with. 

 

Someone has to step up at WR.  It doesn't matter who, but they must step up for us to attain our goals this year.

Lets hope someone begin or continue to prove themselves on Thursday. I don't want to see a burnt out SSS.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah, the off season after the Championship was bizarre to say the least.  And many here were saying precisely those things because the Front Office's actions were "speaking" precisely those things.  The Fans here looked at Boldin's Fantasy Football stats and said, "Hey Boldin is not getting enough points compared to other receivers...he can't be that good."  But "good" wasn't the measure. The question was "How valuable was Boldin to the Ravens?"  That was an entirely different quantifier and the answer was far more valuable than his stats in Fantasy Football.  He was our possession receiver and our "trust" receiver.  He also was coming off a series where he clearly became a favorite of Flacco as well. Here we are 3 years later and we still have not returned to that form and that is true even with Steve Smith, who is remarkable.

 

Lastly, Boldin though never fast and never having gained his separation from speed is still nearly as good as he was, with a truly mediocre QB throwing.  We have not recovered from that mistake. In fact, we seem to have repeated it by removing from Flacco  receivers he had some rapport with. 

 

Someone has to step up at WR.  It doesn't matter who, but they must step up for us to attain our goals this year.

I always thought we underestimated Boldin as a player. He never lit up the regular season with us but playoffs? No question. He was always a playoff performer, even in his days in Arizona. I honestly think our biggest problems was leaning too much on Torrey. We envisioned he would grow into a superstar WR when he was just a star. We also believed Joe could carry the whole team but even a guy like Aaron Rodgers would have trouble with the supporting cast Joe had that year. 

[Tru11]

Yeah I think it is still too early to tell, if we hit the deadline then I wouldn't be against it as the guy deserves another shot at a ring.

 

yup if we are 0-6 and he would like it then id have no issue at all.

[Guest]

I always thought we underestimated Boldin as a player. He never lit up the regular season with us but playoffs? No question. He was always a playoff performer, even in his days in Arizona. I honestly think our biggest problems was leaning too much on Torrey. We envisioned he would grow into a superstar WR when he was just a star. We also believed Joe could carry the whole team but even a guy like Aaron Rodgers would have trouble with the supporting cast Joe had that year. 

 

Flacco established rapport immediately with Steve Smith. He did the same with Boldin.

 

It's got to be mis communication with the young receivers. 

 

The end of game interception vs. New England as an example. Torrey clearly gave up on a ball he could have at least contested and knocked away. A great receiver would have come down with that throw.

[Tru11]

Flacco established rapport immediately with Steve Smith. He did the same with Boldin.

 

It's got to be mis communication with the young receivers. 

 

The end of game interception vs. New England as an example. Torrey clearly gave up on a ball he could have at least contested and knocked away. A great receiver would have come down with that throw.

 

maybe and maybe not.

 

that WR would had to be faster then torrey to at least pull it off.

or at least just as fast but bigger with a higher vertical.

 

many people seem to forget that the safety already jumped to catch the ball at its highest point when torrey arrived.

 

julio, calvin and moss are probably the only guys who could have pulled it off.

[The Mom Gene]

It's called in-experience.....  They will develop "Feel"...  it just takes time.

And, trading Steve???  You don't want my opinion on that one...  Let's just say that I use the word ridiculous a lot lately.

[ravens88]

Hypothetical thinking; Trade deadline Oct 28th? just after week 7. if we are 1-6 id be alright with it, if we are 0-7 then definitely wouldn't be against it. But only if Steve would appreciate the trade so he can finish with a chance to go all they way. Heck Carolina is 3-0 and need a WR could be a cool story for him to go out with them. With the playoffs all but mathematically over with at that point i'd prefer we rotate in the young guys to see what we have at that position anyway.

[Guest]

I posted this breakdown in another post, but thought I'd repost in this regard.

 

When you view it note how Torrey begins to ease up and then never looks at the ball.  The defender is set to breadbasket it, but attempts a quasi highpoint which Torrey doesn't consider.

 

I really lay that pick at Torrey's feet. If Torrey comes down with that ball he's still with us. (Or he should have been, you just never know what Newsome is gonna do in regard to receivers.) Torrey just wasn't worth the money for a guy that didn't always want to own the ball. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seZ2s39oAWs

 

maybe and maybe not.

 

that WR would had to be faster then torrey to at least pull it off.

or at least just as fast but bigger with a higher vertical.

 

many people seem to forget that the safety already jumped to catch the ball at its highest point when torrey arrived.

 

julio, calvin and moss are probably the only guys who could have pulled it off.

Edited October 1, 2015 by Danny D

[PurpleCity5]

I totally feel for Steve Smith. I don't want him to go out like this man. 

[furi0usbee]

Rich Eisen brought this up on his show. This great man deserves to go out contributing to a SB contender like the Packers, not us. If we keep losing, it has to be done. Sorry Ozzie failed you and has Aiken lined up next to you. What a disgrace.

 

We'll take him!

[Bltravens]

Teams generally don't do this, especially in football.  The only one I can think off the top of my head to do it was the Bruins with Ray Bourque, trading him to the Avs to get a Stanley Cup.

 

I wouldn't hate it if they dealt him to a legit contender, but only after it was blatantly obvious we weren't doing any damage.  He's 35, if he was even 30 i'd say that's an asinine move, but he's done after the year.  If we're a dumpster fire, and lose to Vick tonight and the Browns, pft, deal him, get him to a team with a chance.

[-Truth-]

I'm also looking forward to team with Kemar Aiken and Marlon Brown as the No.1 and No.2 WRs. Things aren't difficult enough for Joe Flacco as they are. Why shake a man's confidence when you can break it?

[GrimCoconut]

I'm also looking forward to team with Kemar Aiken and Marlon Brown as the No.1 and No.2 WRs. Things aren't difficult enough for Joe Flacco as they are. Why shake a man's confidence when you can break it?

Lol this made me literally laugh out loud. What a great response.

[-Truth-]

Lol this made me literally laugh out loud. What a great response.

lol Thank you, thank you.

[Dfence4champs2052]

I'm just glad he has 10 days to heal up and get back to making opponents "ice up, son."

[52520Andrew]

I'm also looking forward to team with Kemar Aiken and Marlon Brown as the No.1 and No.2 WRs. Things aren't difficult enough for Joe Flacco as they are. Why shake a man's confidence when you can break it?

 

What is really scary is that we could very easily see that next year if we don't invest anything into the position. 

[Tank 92]

What is really scary is that we could very easily see that next year if we don't invest anything into the position. 

 

 

Next year?   How about next week!?

[52520Andrew]

Next year?   How about next week!?

 

From what I have heard, people think he will be back next week with 10 days to ice up. At least that is what I am hoping for or else we will have to worry.

[-Truth-]

What is really scary is that we could very easily see that next year if we don't invest anything into the position.

Very true. Not an pretty image.

[The Mom Gene]

What is really scary is that we could very easily see that next year if we don't invest anything into the position. 

 

Not giving up on Perriman, myself.  I have said numerous times;  I watched him here in Central Florida.  The guy was good...  I hope I'm right when I say that I know that this guy will be a great receiver for us.

 

He'll be back sooner rather than later....  Looks like this "infamous surgery" that everyone is talking about was no more than a scope to see why it's taking so long to heal....  Nothing that was too invasive.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13787946/breshad-perriman-baltimore-ravens-rookie-wr-had-surgery-right-knee

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And the others???  I still believe in experience and chemistry...  We'll get there.

You guys tell me who we are going to get in Week 4 of the season...  There's no viable WR out there to trade for.  At least not one we'd want, anyway.

[52520Andrew]

Not giving up on Perriman, myself.  I have said numerous times;  I watched him here in Central Florida.  The guy was good...  I hope I'm right when I say that I know that this guy will be a great receiver for us.

 

He'll be back sooner rather than later....  Looks like this "infamous surgery" that everyone is talking about was no more than a scope to see why it's taking so long to heal....  Nothing that was too invasive.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13787946/breshad-perriman-baltimore-ravens-rookie-wr-had-surgery-right-knee

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And the others???  I still believe in experience and chemistry...  We'll get there.

 

I can understand being optimistic on him but the reality is that he hasn't played a down yet with the Ravens and even if he comes here next year and crushes it, it is clear from what we have seen that we need more there once SSS goes or we have the same problem as this year, only difference is Perriman takes SSS's role.

[jazz1988]

I posted this breakdown in another post, but thought I'd repost in this regard.

 

When you view it note how Torrey begins to ease up and then never looks at the ball.  The defender is set to breadbasket it, but attempts a quasi highpoint which Torrey doesn't consider.

 

I really lay that pick at Torrey's feet. If Torrey comes down with that ball he's still with us. (Or he should have been, you just never know what Newsome is gonna do in regard to receivers.) Torrey just wasn't worth the money for a guy that didn't always want to own the ball. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seZ2s39oAWs

 

I think Torrey received way too much hate even before that play. We can say what he should have or shouldn't have done but that shouldn't take away the fact that Torrey was The Ravens playmaker for four years. He wasn't Boldin, He wasn't Calvin Johnson, He wasn't  Vincent Jackson, and he wasn't elite but he darn sure was pretty good . If anything The Ravens could definitely use his services right about now  and even if he did make that catch against The Patriots he still wouldn't have been re-signed. 

 

There just no way Torrey Smith would have been re-signed by The Ravens especially if he made that catch because of cap space issues. If Torrey made that play that only raises his stock up for more money and he had already turned down a deal from The Ravens and still got more money in the end. Torrey may not have been the  number one receiver Ravens fans would have all wanted but it blows my mind how people speak of him as if he did absolutely nothing at all during his 4 years here.

 

How Ravens speak of him you  would have thought Torrey Smith was Tandon Doss , Tommy Streeter or   Yamon Figures something. Hopefully Perriman can come back to give Smith some help along with the other receivers so  they all can have more room to do what they do best and help the team win games even more.

Edited October 2, 2015 by jazz1988