Trade Steve Smith away to a real SB contender

[HoldingCall]

Ehhh...the Boldin and Smith situations aren't comparable. Every knew Boldin could continue to play at a high level. I really do think SSS will retire.

The way I read the board back then was, Boldin was aging and could no longer get separation so the FO was wise to get rid of him when they did, unloading his cost and getting something in return; Pitta, will do Boldin's job; Joe didn't need a high priced receiver because he can make average receivers look great (Drew Brees was used as the example of making average look great).

 

Also, being stated how RBs were a dime a dozen and only an average one was necessary. The off season following the Super Bowl win was a very strange time on this board.  

[GrimCoconut]

In the legendary words of Mark Wahlberg from The Happening...

"What?! No!"

[usmccharles]

As much as I loved boldin here, we wouldn't have been able to bring Doom in if we didn't trade him. But it still didn't make sense letting go Joe's best target, no replacing him, right after a big contract.

[ratedr]

As much as I loved boldin here, we wouldn't have been able to bring Doom in if we didn't trade him. But it still didn't make sense letting go Joe's best target, no replacing him, right after a big contract.

They legitimately believed Tandon Doss would take over. LOL.

[pitchblack_20]

Who says Smitty would even want that to happen. I may be wrong but I feel like he would rather fight it out with us rather than run to another team. While rings are very important, Steve is an extremely accomplished receiver and at this point in his career, I don't think he's as much worried about the rings. I look at it this way had he not got booted out of Carolina, he'd still be there and how soon do you guys think they'd be winning the Super Bowl.

[BSHU_Miami]

The way I read the board back then was, Boldin was aging and could no longer get separation so the FO was wise to get rid of him when they did, unloading his cost and getting something in return; Pitta, will do Boldin's job; Joe didn't need a high priced receiver because he can make average receivers look great (Drew Brees was used as the example of making average look great).

 

Also, being stated how RBs were a dime a dozen and only an average one was necessary. The off season following the Super Bowl win was a very strange time on this board.  

Lets add, Torrey will step up and become the number 1 WR

[usmccharles]

They legitimately believed Tandon Doss would take over. LOL.

that's why I don't understand why we still have the same people evaluating wrs. Clearly they aren't very good at their job. Have the Ravens ever produced a wr? Ever? Or do we always just grab guys at the end of their career

[GrimCoconut]

that's why I don't understand why we still have the same people evaluating wrs. Clearly they aren't very good at their job. Have the Ravens ever produced a wr? Ever? Or do we always just grab guys at the end of their career

I don't think it's just the talent evaluators but the developers as well. It's also the veteran presence that helps these guys along as well.

Flacco is getting better at developing guys from what I recall reading recently. Hopefully this helps fix our problems.

[Drew P]

that's why I don't understand why we still have the same people evaluating wrs. Clearly they aren't very good at their job. Have the Ravens ever produced a wr? Ever? Or do we always just grab guys at the end of their career

 

Stokley.

[1/28/01]

Flacco is getting better at developing guys from what I recall reading recently. Hopefully this helps fix our problems.

Yeah? Seems we still have the same issues both with personnel valuing these young 3rd to 6th rounders as more than they are and Flacco NOT being able to help and make them look better. He/we truly needs top end talent across the board. The oline during the playoffs, the receivers of Boldin and Smith and then Pitta is what we need for Flacco to go bonkers.

I would like to see him go bonkers! Can he please go bonkers!?!?

[usmccharles]

Stokley.

A guy who never topped 400 yards for us and had one 1k yard season in his entire career....

[Tru11]

The way I read the board back then was, Boldin was aging and could no longer get separation so the FO was wise to get rid of him when they did, unloading his cost and getting something in return; Pitta, will do Boldin's job; Joe didn't need a high priced receiver because he can make average receivers look great (Drew Brees was used as the example of making average look great).

 

Also, being stated how RBs were a dime a dozen and only an average one was necessary. The off season following the Super Bowl win was a very strange time on this board.  

 

many believed flacco was better then montana lel

[redrum52]

many believed flacco was better then montana lel

It upsets me when people make the comparison. Montana did it in less games.

[Tru11]

It upsets me when people make the comparison. Montana did it in less games.

 

im passed getting upset with the stuff people say on these boards lol.

 

if  i need a laugh this is the place to be 

[berad]

It upsets me when people make the comparison. Montana did it in less games.

Don't see what's upsetting, Flacco set records Montana did not - some more recently than 2012.

edit - not saying he's better than Montana overall

Edited September 30, 2015 by berad

[redrum52]

Don't see what's upsetting, Flacco set records Montana did not - some more recently than 2012.

edit - not saying he's better than Montana overall

Because it's not the same. What Joe accomplished us still amazing, but to out those numbers up in one less game is just more impressive. Would be the same if Joe breaks the TD record in the regular season and someone breaks the record down the line and the seasons expanded. That's it.

[berad]

Because it's not the same. What Joe accomplished us still amazing, but to out those numbers up in one less game is just more impressive. Would be the same if Joe breaks the TD record in the regular season and someone breaks the record down the line and the seasons expanded. That's it.

I gotcha, that's regarding the 11 TDs, 0 INTs which was insane what Montana did. Flacco, on the same 2012 run, set another record - only QB in NFL history to have four games with over 100 passer rating in the same postseason. Montana did it in 3 games (twice) but that's a record unique to Flacco.

[redrum52]

I gotcha, that's regarding the 11 TDs, 0 INTs which was insane what Montana did. Flacco, on the same 2012 run, set another record - only QB in NFL history to have four games with over 100 passer rating in the same postseason. Montana did it in 3 games (twice) but that's a record unique to Flacco.

Amazing run. I think we can see that level of play if Perriman and Pitta come back, and the running game gets goin

[FlackAttack]

They has just dropped to 2-2 after a beat down, the levels of which we haven't seen since 13. There is no real difference, to me, between 1-3 and 2-2, through the first quarter of the season. It's easier to accept when the main guys we're fighting with, also only have 1 win and we play them later.

 

theres no difference between 1-3 and 2-2? lol that makes no sense whatsoever

[salamander]

Trade SSS? Even if it made total sense with some incredible deal benefitting the Ravens, a deal they supposedly can't refuse, it would break my heart to see SSS on another team. I want every last play he has left in the NFL to be played as a Raven.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Were not dead yet....dont go Chicago bears on us just yet.

[Ravensfan23]

Man 0-3 sucks. Comical reading some of these post but overall it sucks!!!

[redlobster]

Because it's not the same. What Joe accomplished us still amazing, but to out those numbers up in one less game is just more impressive. Would be the same if Joe breaks the TD record in the regular season and someone breaks the record down the line and the seasons expanded. That's it.

 

To be fair this was

 

Flacco's lineup  -  WR - Torrey Smith, WR - Anquan Boldin, TE - Dennis Pitta , RB - Ray Rice

 

Montana's Lineup - WR - Jerry Rice, WR - John Taylor,  TE - Brent Jones, RB - Roger Craig

[jazz1988]

that's why I don't understand why we still have the same people evaluating wrs. Clearly they aren't very good at their job. Have the Ravens ever produced a wr? Ever? Or do we always just grab guys at the end of their career

Torrey Smith so far the only one. He got 40 million dollar contract this off season so that's producing quite well .The jury still out on Marlon Brown, Micheal Campanaro, B Perriman and Darren Waller. I personally think Marlon Browns a solid number 3 receiver but we shall see.

Edited September 30, 2015 by jazz1988

[jdynamite]

I think if team started 0-5 ( meaning we would lose to Cleveland as well ) then I wouldn't be opposed to trading Steve Smith, maybe someone like Osemele could get us a decent draft pick ( he's not playing well and I remember all the chatter of not being able to sign both he and Yanda after this year. ). I'm more so like if the season is down the tubes, then i become more draft oriented. I'll never route for an all out tank season but I also hate 8-8 no playoffs because it's right outside of a top 10 pick and also not good enough for playoffs.

When it comes to Rich Eisen's comment let's be honest Steve Smith wants to win a ring, he leaves it out there on field and always has but he's a different type of player, he stayed with Carolina all those years never tried to force a trade, he and Larry Fitzgerald are 2 guys that made two a few playoffs but overall have been with bad teams and never once complained to leave town. This guy didn't want to leave Carolina, and if the Ravens approached him with a trade scenario, he'd probably be against it.

[jdynamite]

It upsets me when people make the comparison. Montana did it in less games.

I understand what you mean. I'll give 2 examples of very deserving players breaking records but still had an ugh feeling for me. When Randy Moss broke Jerry Rice TD record with New England it was spectacular to watch but when you think about the fact that Jerry Rice had 22 TDs in strike shortened 12 game season, it's just like well.... Or even when Calvin Johnson broke Jerry Rice Receiving Yards record, I couldn't help but think about how much the rules have changed DBs not being able to touch WRs compared to want Rice had to deal with. I feel the same way about Passing yds and TDs marks, Dan Marino did that during a time when defense could actually play football, then Peyton, Brady, Brees which ever one currently owns said records benefited from all these rule changes over the last decade.

Also makes me think of how College football now adds the Bowl game stats to the players stats but they won't retroactively add yards from Bowl games of previous players.

[gtalk12]

YOU, GET OUT AS WELL

[redrum52]

I understand what you mean. I'll give 2 examples of very deserving players breaking records but still had an ugh feeling for me. When Randy Moss broke Jerry Rice TD record with New England it was spectacular to watch but when you think about the fact that Jerry Rice had 22 TDs in strike shortened 12 game season, it's just like well.... Or even when Calvin Johnson broke Jerry Rice Receiving Yards record, I couldn't help but think about how much the rules have changed DBs not being able to touch WRs compared to want Rice had to deal with. I feel the same way about Passing yds and TDs marks, Dan Marino did that during a time when defense could actually play football, then Peyton, Brady, Brees which ever one currently owns said records benefited from all these rule changes over the last decade.

Also makes me think of how College football now adds the Bowl game stats to the players stats but they won't retroactively add yards from Bowl games of previous players.

Exactly. What Jerry did, will probably never be topped in that frame. Marino was a monster as well. The difference in times does change the aspect of the feat. Doesn't Stafford even have a 5000 yard season?

[SomeCreepinaVan]

Exactly. What Jerry did, will probably never be topped in that frame. Marino was a monster as well. The difference in times does change the aspect of the feat. Doesn't Stafford even have a 5000 yard season?

This has nothing to do with the original topic.

[redrum52]

This has nothing to do with the original topic.

Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

If the team keeps sucking and he wants a trade, let him be free. I honestly don't even remember how I got to what you quoted.