Could the Ravens be considering a trade for (insert WR here)?

[Tank 92]

The problem for me is I think the fan reaction is that they still for some reason see us as legitimate contenders, which I don't. I haven't seen anything in four weeks to indicate we are a legitimate playoff threat in this league. That could change, but so  far, I haven't seen it.

 

As such, I can't see any way adding a veteran as other than a one year rental with the sole purpose of just filling a roster spot does to make this team better. I mean if we lost to Pittsburgh, we're realistically probably having a different conversation, and we'd be in full blown young talent evaluation mode.

 

For me, just beating Pittsburgh in a game where we didn't play that well isn't sufficient to all of the sudden makes us trade buyers and trying to salvage something that I personally don't think is salvageable.

 

 

That's fine that you have that opinion, but I doubt the Ravens' FO shares it and they are the ones calling the shots, not the fans.

[Gordo52]

Why I still see us as playoff contenders:

1. Joe & John.

2. Every game has been close.

3. Wild card is still very possible.

Not going to be easy. A lot of good things will have to go our way. Which so far this season, hardly anything has. That 2012 team looked pretty shaky mid season and they dealt with extreme adversity as well. Way I look at it, anythings possible. Adding another receiver OR getting more production out of the guys we have now, has to happen. The offense also must start clicking again. Don't think it's unreasonable to expect that they will going forward. The more experience they have with Trestman/getting healthy will make them better. We're about to witness some adjustments for this next quarter of the season. Hopefully it won't be too late.

[gtalk12]

When we won the superbowl, the regular season dictated that we were not SB contenders. The idea that you can crown a winner this early is wrong.

 

If we can make it to the dance then we should try everything in our power to get better now

[gtalk12]

Why I still see us as playoff contenders:

1. Joe & John.

2. Every game has been close.

3. Wild card is still very possible.

Not going to be easy. A lot of good things will have to go our way. Which so far this season, hardly anything has. That 2012 team looked pretty shaky mid season and they dealt with extreme adversity as well. Way I look at it, anythings possible. Adding another receiver OR getting more production out of the guys we have now, has to happen. The offense also must start clicking again. Don't think it's unreasonable to expect that they will going forward. The more experience they have with Trestman/getting healthy will make them better. We're about to witness some adjustments for this next quarter of the season. Hopefully it won't be too late.

 

I literally just said this before I saw the post lol

[January J]

The season is most definitely salvageable. And one playmaker could very well be the difference in winning 10 games or 8. And one game / one catch could be the difference in us making the playoffs. Yes if we lost the steelers game we would likely be having a different conversation right now, but we didn't. We won. And saying that our season is over 4 games in is pretty silly anyway , esp considering every single game came down to the last drive and every loss was by 6 points or less. Yes you could flip that and say we could be 0-4, but we're not, and it's far too early to give up on the season, esp considering the schedule gets much more favorable. You can give up all you want but I assure you this team won't.

[rmcjacket23]

That's fine that you have that opinion, but I doubt the Ravens' FO shares it and they are the ones calling the shots, not the fans.

Correct, and it would benefit the fanbase greatly to understand this. In particular, the FO is in a much better position to determine what they need and what they don't, and especially, what's REALISTIC to get and what's NOT REALISTIC to get.

 

Perhaps the shot they are going to call is to stand pat...

[rmcjacket23]

The season is most definitely salvageable. And one playmaker could very well be the difference in winning 10 games or 8. And one game / one catch could be the difference in us making the playoffs. Yes if we lost the steelers game we would likely be having a different conversation right now, but we didn't. We won. And saying that our season is over 4 games in is pretty silly anyway , esp considering every single game came down to the last drive and every loss was by 6 points or less. Yes you could flip that and say we could be 0-4, but we're not, and it's far too early to give up on the season, esp considering the schedule gets much more favorable. You can give up all you want but I assure you this team won't.

1-3 football teams don't EVER get to make the statement "the schedule gets much more favorable". We, as shown in the last four games, have earned the right to be considered a "favorable game" for a lot of the teams we will be playing the rest of this season. So until proven otherwise, whenever we tell ourselves this, there's a good chance the team on the other side of the ball is thinking the exact same thing about us in terms of "favor-ability", and chances are they'll have a better argument about it than we will currently.

 

This teams gotta show me and everybody else A TON more on the football field than what we've seen so far in order to even vaguely think we are a playoff caliber team. We can play the "but we don't get blown out card" for only so long, because we are currently much closer to irrelevancy than we are to playoff-level.

[Cillmatic]

The only way w make it to the playoffs is by getting an impact receiver. No Alshon or other impact WR=no playoffs

[Sami84]

The only way w make it to the playoffs is by getting an impact receiver. No Alshon or other impact WR=no playoffs

 

this..

 

you are not getting anywhere when your best WR is either aiken or a guy that wasn't good enough for the rams.

[rmcjacket23]

The only way w make it to the playoffs is by getting an impact receiver. No Alshon or other impact WR=no playoffs

If that's the case, you're better off not making it.

[Purple_City39]

The only way w make it to the playoffs is by getting an impact receiver. No Alshon or other impact WR=no playoffs

And judging by the last few years, you're not winning much in the playoffs if your offense is only good because of a top impact WR.

 

The defense needs to be fixed far more than we need a superstar WR. 

[TuckerTime9]

I think tanking this season and getting someone like Treadwell and then adding depth at receiver and corner in free agency... Playoffs look like a pipe dream right now. And even if we made the playoffs I think we can all agree theres a very small shot at us even making the super bowl with the point our team is at right now. Missing the playoffs wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for this team. We still have pieces in place to be contenders (Joe, solid O-Line (which hasn't lived up to expectations this year), solid defense (read o-line), a kicker that we have no fear in when he steps up to the tee (this can win and lose games, look at the games this week)). Coaching and depth are issues with this team. I for one hate Trestman. Flacco isn't a dink and dunk quarterback and he's playing in a dink and dunk system. 

[January J]

1-3 football teams don't EVER get to make the statement "the schedule gets much more favorable". We, as shown in the last four games, have earned the right to be considered a "favorable game" for a lot of the teams we will be playing the rest of this season. So until proven otherwise, whenever we tell ourselves this, there's a good chance the team on the other side of the ball is thinking the exact same thing about us in terms of "favor-ability", and chances are they'll have a better argument about it than we will currently.

This teams gotta show me and everybody else A TON more on the football field than what we've seen so far in order to even vaguely think we are a playoff caliber team. We can play the "but we don't get blown out card" for only so long, because we are currently much closer to irrelevancy than we are to playoff-level.

says who? Many would argue PART of the reason we are 1-3 is bc of the back to back games out west to start off the season. Ofcourse the schedule gets more favorable. Look at how many away games are at the front half of our schedule. And I'm sorry, but I think any team that goes into a game with the Ravens knows that losing is a strong possibility. Other teams just aren't as feared as we are, and right now our record doesn't represent what kind of team we are, whether we have been playing well or not. Edited October 5, 2015 by January J

[rmcjacket23]

says who? Many would argue PART of the reason we are 1-3 is bc of the back to back games out west. Ofcourse the schedule gets more favorable. And I'm sorry, but I think any team that goes into a game with the Ravens knows that losing is a strong possibility. Other teams just aren't as feared as we are, and right now our record doesn't represent what kind of team we are, whether we have been playing well or not.

Haven't earned that right. Winning a SB three years ago or even making the playoffs last season doesn't earn you the "difficult team to beat" label when its not actually 2012 or 2014 anymore. Its 2015, and 31 other NFL teams have 4 full games of tape on us, and I can guarantee that none of them are impressed by what they've seen on tape, because no realistic fan would be either. They may not consider us a "guaranteed win", but this isn't your typical Ravens team who is a favorite to win most games they play.

 

I could care less about scheduling. Scheduling is a crutch that bad teams use to prop themselves up. Teams that win football games never seem to reference scheduling one bit... why is that? Got another back to back west coast trip right around the corner... so if we come out of that stretch 2-5, are we going to just say "o that's because we went out west twice"? Terrible excuse.

 

I'd say our record very much accurately represents who we are. We got beat by two teams who are very clearly better than us right now (Denver and Cincinnati), we lost to an Oakland Raiders team that also is playing very much better than us right now, and we beat Pittsburgh with some help from a backup QB with 3 days to prepare and a kicker who is now unemployed.

 

Right now, we are a lot closer to the Chicago Bears than we are to the New England Patriots, and its blatantly obvious on the football field. 

 

This is the NFL. There aren't any "pat on the back games" that I've ever seen. Many people would argue that the reason we are 1-3 is because we simply aren't playing very good football.

 

Sometimes, it really is that cut and dry.

[allblackraven]

And judging by the last few years, you're not winning much in the playoffs if your offense is only good because of a top impact WR.

 

The defense needs to be fixed far more than we need a superstar WR. 

Agreed. We need playmakers at OLB and CB for next year. Hard to imagine we'll be lucky to get those two after the first two rounds and I think Jeffrey trade warrants 2nd round pick. I'm also thinking that Ozzie is still talking to teams about other WRs. If he isn't we would have promoted Butler or Ross already from our PS.

[omar586]

its all about how u end the season.

[cobrajet]

The only way we can get Jeffery is to restructure his contract because we do not have the cap space. The guy wants a big contract and I just think we can spend that money better in the off-season for other players without giving away a first round draft pick. Trading for Jeffery could help us this year but it weakens us next year. IMHO, It would be a bad move to trade for Jeffery.

[rmcjacket23]

The only way we can get Jeffery is to restructure his contract because we do not have the cap space. The guy wants a big contract and I just think we can spend that money better in the off-season for other players without giving away a first round draft pick. Trading for Jeffery could help us this year but it weakens us next year. IMHO, It would be a bad move to trade for Jeffery.

Just so we are clear, for 2015, we wouldn't have to do anything. Jeffery would cost about $1M against the cap as is.

 

We could, in theory, trade for him and then sign him to an extension in the offseason, but this is all moot because nobody realistically thinks the Bears are shopping him.

[Inqui]

Just so we are clear, for 2015, we wouldn't have to do anything. Jeffery would cost about $1M against the cap as is.

 

We could, in theory, trade for him and then sign him to an extension in the offseason, but this is all moot because nobody realistically thinks the Bears are shopping him.

But they got rid of Jared Allen and that other guy. That means everyone's for sale at a reduced price, right?

[rmcjacket23]

But they got rid of Jared Allen and that other guy. That means everyone's for sale at a reduced price, right?

Correct. It means we can get McPhee for a 2021 7th rounder and the Bears will eat his salary for the next three years.

[redrum52]

Correct. It means we can get McPhee for a 2021 7th rounder and the Bears will eat his salary for the next three years.

But he wouldn't fit with our cap situation I thought. He would help with the pass rush. Him and Jeffery would be great on this team!

...I'm done now

Edited October 6, 2015 by redrum52

[January J]

Haven't earned that right. Winning a SB three years ago or even making the playoffs last season doesn't earn you the "difficult team to beat" label when its not actually 2012 or 2014 anymore. Its 2015, and 31 other NFL teams have 4 full games of tape on us, and I can guarantee that none of them are impressed by what they've seen on tape, because no realistic fan would be either. They may not consider us a "guaranteed win", but this isn't your typical Ravens team who is a favorite to win most games they play.

 

I could care less about scheduling. Scheduling is a crutch that bad teams use to prop themselves up. Teams that win football games never seem to reference scheduling one bit... why is that? Got another back to back west coast trip right around the corner... so if we come out of that stretch 2-5, are we going to just say "o that's because we went out west twice"? Terrible excuse.

 

I'd say our record very much accurately represents who we are. We got beat by two teams who are very clearly better than us right now (Denver and Cincinnati), we lost to an Oakland Raiders team that also is playing very much better than us right now, and we beat Pittsburgh with some help from a backup QB with 3 days to prepare and a kicker who is now unemployed.

 

Right now, we are a lot closer to the Chicago Bears than we are to the New England Patriots, and its blatantly obvious on the football field. 

 

This is the NFL. There aren't any "pat on the back games" that I've ever seen. Many people would argue that the reason we are 1-3 is because we simply aren't playing very good football.

 

Sometimes, it really is that cut and dry.

don't think the scheduling is why we are 1-3. But it certainly didn't help things. Most teams dont complain about scheduling bc rarely do teams ever get the first half schedule that we had. Very rarely do teams have to open up with back to back games out west followed up with tough divisional match ups and then several more road games. Of course we aren't playing good football. But that is what gives me hope we can turn the season around. If we were playing good and still losing that would be a problem, but the talent is there...it's just a matter of execution. the team just needs to play well on both sides of the ball on the same Sunday and we'll be just fine. Once we start gelling with trestman and get rolling we may just take off and not look back. I seriously think that the lack of a deep threat has effected the offense more than ppl realize. And it could be wishful thinking but who knows- maybe this kid Davis really helps turn things around for the secondary.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Heard one of the NFL "insiders" saying they believe the Ravens will still trade for another WR during yesterday's game.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

IF we trade. It'll be for some player in obscurity. I HIGHLY DOUBT, we go get a star like Jeffery, or Boldin.

[cobrajet]

Just so we are clear, for 2015, we wouldn't have to do anything. Jeffery would cost about $1M against the cap as is.

 

We could, in theory, trade for him and then sign him to an extension in the offseason, but this is all moot because nobody realistically thinks the Bears are shopping him.

Thanks for the clarification, I did not know we could trade for him without restructuing first. I would definitely not give a high draft pick for a possible rental player, because the Bears really want to keep him, so IMHO it would be probably cost us a first rounder or more to get him. IMHO, Ozzie would be out of his mind to take a chance like that on Jeffery.

[rmw10]

It's Preston, so take it with a grain of salt of course. Still not saying this means Alshon...

@MikePrestonSun: Ravens aren't holding still, very active in looking for another receiver. Oz is on the hunt.

[PurpleCity5]

It's Preston, so take it with a grain of salt of course. Still not saying this means Alshon...

@MikePrestonSun: Ravens aren't holding still, very active in looking for another receiver. Oz is on the hunt.

That's very interesting, 2nd source who said we're still pursuing another WR. 

[JEEPercreepermd]

I just don't understand how anyone can honestly sit here and say that this team is talented enough to make the playoffs right now.

Kamar Aiken is our best receiver...Kamar Aiken.

Even if we were 4-0 right now, the playoffs would be far from a garauntee.

This year, what was supposed to happen..what we thought could happen backfired.

We spend a 1st on a big play receiver to go with Smith and the rest of the guys to be solid 3rd options. He gets hurt forever. Then smith gets hurt. Then one of the "other guys" gets hurt. Oh BTW there's also the absence of the LT that hurts the offense.

Then on d, Suggs goes down. Arrington who we thought could be solid at nickel is terrible, and still not getting good safety play at all outside of Will Hill.

Running game has been absentee, and Flacco hasn't been at his super bowl best either.

Some of these guys are gping to have to put together career type seasons to turn this thing around.

You do realize that we are relying on roster bubble caliber receivers right now?

[Gordo52]

I know, I know.

@incarceratedbob: **NFL RUMORS**

Ravens and Patriots have reached out to Niners about availability of @AnquanBoldin no offers or demands made as of yet

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Unless the Bears are willing to give up a Jeffery for a fourth, it's not going to happen. 

 

People see it as a rental, but you also have to remember that the salary cap is projected to jump about 17 million next year, so we could potentially have cap space to re-sign him once the season ends.

 

Our playoff hopes are still high with a record of 3-4 at week 7 and a crap ton of home games to finish the season, which is why I would be ok with giving up a 4 for a guy like Jeffery would could come in and make an impact for us and get us back to the playoffs and beyond