Could the Ravens be considering a trade for (insert WR here)?

[52liveforever]

Well, using this same logic invalidates our actual trade made for Eugene Monroe in the 2013 season. Granted, we did nearly make the playoffs and we had a better record, but the fact remains that it's a near-identical comparison. Both players (Monroe & in this case Jeffery) are or were in the last years of their respective rookie deals and were or will be free agents in the following off-season, although we were admittedly 2-2 when we made the trade, but we could easily be 1-3 at the same point (October 2nd is when the trade was made).

and that worked out so well

[PurpleCity5]

and that worked out so well

What do you mean? Its hard finding franchise LTs. I'm honestly not against Monroe deal tbh, seeing how awful Hurst has played. 

[GrimCoconut]

and that worked out so well

I'm not commenting on whether it worked or not. I'm commenting on the precedence, and there is precedence. Ignore logic all you want but the fact remains we've done it before.

[bMore Heathen]

I'm not commenting on whether it worked or not. I'm commenting on the precedence, and there is precedence. Ignore logic all you want but the fact remains we've done it before.

And we did it without an agreed upon contract extension. That probably played into what we gave up for him. We let him test the market and he ended up taking our deal because he wasn't the top free agent at his position. Now, that strategy most likely wouldn't work with a player like Jeffery.

[Maryland]

I would trade a 3rd for Alshon, even without an extension worked out ahead of time. If he left via FA, we would get a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017 anyway. 

 

The only downside is you'd have to decide between franchising Alshon or Tucker at the end of the year (kicker is much more affordable). Given our cap room in 2016, we could afford to franchise Alshon, although I doubt Ozzie would want to. 

[usmccharles]

....

1. I hate you for being in my favorite city.

2. Ha. Even less likely. The only thing more rare than a good young WR, is a good young CB.

This city is quite amazing.....

[rmcjacket23]

I would trade a 3rd for Alshon, even without an extension worked out ahead of time. If he left via FA, we would get a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2017 anyway. 

 

The only downside is you'd have to decide between franchising Alshon or Tucker at the end of the year (kicker is much more affordable). Given our cap room in 2016, we could afford to franchise Alshon, although I doubt Ozzie would want to. 

Don't think you have to worry about whether Ozzie would do it or not, because the Bears wouldn't do it.

 

Under that scenario, the Bears can just hold onto him and get the 3rd round comp pick themselves, which also ignores the fact that Jeffery's value is significantly more than a third round pick.

[usmccharles]

Don't think you have to worry about whether Ozzie would do it or not, because the Bears wouldn't do it.

 

Under that scenario, the Bears can just hold onto him and get the 3rd round comp pick themselves, which also ignores the fact that Jeffery's value is significantly more than a third round pick.

Thats why it will be at least a second. 

 

I for one dont think they will trade him, of course i want it to happen though.  If you are rebuilding a team, only makes sense to keep the best player on the roster who is only 25 years old.  If we brought him in, signed him to a long term deal and had BP for the next 4-5 years i think everyone could/would be satisfied with the weapons we got Joe.  wishful thinking

[rmw10]

Don't think you have to worry about whether Ozzie would do it or not, because the Bears wouldn't do it.

Under that scenario, the Bears can just hold onto him and get the 3rd round comp pick themselves, which also ignores the fact that Jeffery's value is significantly more than a third round pick.

They would at least get a higher pick in the 3rd, being that comp picks come at the end.

[52liveforever]

I'm not commenting on whether it worked or not. I'm commenting on the precedence, and there is precedence. Ignore logic all you want but the fact remains we've done it before.

 

I don't think the comparison is all that solid to begin with. Monroe had just been beaten out of the starting LT job making him a much more attainable acquisition. The bears aren't going to give Alshon up for two mid to late round picks. Of course if he were to be available for something like that I would say jump on it in a heart beat. Alshon is far and beyond more valuable for the bears than Monroe was for the jags and in general.  

 

We would have to give up probably a second round pick. A second round pick or whatever steep price that it would cost for one player is something that we have not done before.

[RavensFanMania]

lol on a more serious note, I'd take Willie young

Forget Willie Young, I'd take Willie Gault.

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think the comparison is all that solid to begin with. Monroe had just been beaten out of the starting LT job making him a much more attainable acquisition. The bears aren't going to give Alshon up for two mid to late round picks. Of course if he were to be available for something like that I would say jump on it in a heart beat. Alshon is far and beyond more valuable for the bears than Monroe was for the jags and in general.

We would have to give up probably a second round pick. A second round pick or whatever steep price that it would cost for one player is something that we have not done before.

It's a completely valid comparison because we're not discussing value. That's not what you said. You said we wouldn't trade for a guy with one year left who could make more money elsewhere and implied we aren't likely to make the playoffs with our current record even though we were .500 at 2-2 when we traded for Monroe. I just proved you wrong using precedence back in 2013 when we traded for Monroe under similar circumstances you deny would occur. Here's your original post if you forgot:

I don't know why we would trade for a guy with only one year and could no doubt make more money somewhere else. the trade only makes sense if we have a shot at the playoffs and those chances are slim.

Now you've changed your argument because you probably realized you are wrong or perhaps you misrepresented your original point, but the fact remains that your original post was, in fact, erroneous. FWIW, I don't like the idea of giving up what could be a high second round pick for him either, but it would be nice to have someone a bit better at WR besides Brown and Aiken especially with Sr set to retire. Edited October 1, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[-Truth-]

OK, what about Kyle Fuller?

 

It all depends on if he's able to make good on his potential. Fuller had a disastrous stretch last season after looking phenomenal in the first few games and has had similar issues this season. In the few games of his that I watched closely, he played quite a bit in off-coverage, and relatively speaking, his technique couldn't have been more self-defeating. He opened his hips towards the hash almost immediately despite providing a hefty cushion and continued in a wide shuffle, so when the receivers broke off their routes even slightly, his plant leg would several feet ahead of him and he had no traction or momentum to break on the throw before it reached the target. He was also grabby at times when facing the receiver and had a tendency to go for the arms instead of the ball, which drew a few DPIs. I saw mostly the same from him in the first two games of the season when he again had a difficult time, but I thought his footwork against Seattle was much improved. His stance was tighter and he backpedaled more than I've seen in any of his previous games that I watched after the first few weeks of the 2014 season. He might be a decent buy-low candidate but only if Chicago considers him to be expendable and only if we're certain that we've seen is a result of ongoing growing pains and not an indication of his future performances.

Edited October 1, 2015 by -Truth-

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

He's not good.  Starting experience earned that contract rather than any sort of talent.

Figured since he cant get on the field there... The Niners secondary has looked just as bad if not worse than ours.

[PurpleCity5]

Regardless, I really think we should look at trades for WRs. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

They would at least get a higher pick in the 3rd, being that comp picks come at the end.

Plus it's more of an asset because it would be a trade-able pick, giving them more fire power to move up in the 1st for that Franchise QB they'll most likely have their sights on if they dont tank bad enough to get the #1 overall on their own.

[3-4ravdef509]

This might get merged with something, but now that we know Perriman is done for the season, should we consider a trade for someone to help with our slim chances this season? Or just play what we got considering we're 0-3 already? 

 

I don't know of any speedy free agents worth signing. 

[curtis0360]

This might get merged with something, but now that we know Perriman is done for the season, should we consider a trade for someone to help with our slim chances this season? Or just play what we got considering we're 0-3 already? 

 

I don't know of any speedy free agents worth signing. 

Alshon jeffery in the offseason, thats about it, start darren waller maybe?

[Tru11]

who is out there worth trading for and more importantly is actually a realistic option?

[TDubbs]

I don't believe its worth giving up top assets, or taking on a big contract in lieu of assets. Our WR core is brutal right now, but its also not the main reason why we're losing games. Sure, I'd love Alshon on this team ... but to give up a 2nd round pick, then pay the guy top WR money? Thats a tough call and I don't think it would help us long-term. 

 

Perriman is not a bust, just like Kevin White isn't and OBJ was not last year. Unfortunately we just depended on his impact too much and thats where the mistake was made. 

Edited October 1, 2015 by TDubbs

[3-4ravdef509]

We could possibly try playing Waller more. If anything, at least send him deep 5-10 times a game to clear out the defense.

[3-4ravdef509]

Maybe Yamon Figurs is still available...lol

[PurpleCity5]

Maybe Yamon Figurs is still available...lol

LOL

[ravensnation5220]

I would now that we know perriman is likely out for the year. It would be the only way to save our season

Edited October 1, 2015 by ravensnation5220

[redrum52]

It's a completely valid comparison because we're not discussing value. That's not what you said. You said we wouldn't trade for a guy with one year left who could make more money elsewhere and implied we aren't likely to make the playoffs with our current record even though we were .500 at 2-2 when we traded for Monroe. I just proved you wrong using precedence back in 2013 when we traded for Monroe under similar circumstances you deny would occur. Here's your original post if you forgot:

Now you've changed your argument because you probably realized you are wrong or perhaps you misrepresented your original point, but the fact remains that your original post was, in fact, erroneous. FWIW, I don't like the idea of giving up what could be a high second round pick for him either, but it would be nice to have someone a bit better at WR besides Brown and Aiken especially with Sr set to retire.

I wouldn't mind cause we can't draft wrs. Pick would be worth it with SSS retiring. Only if a contract can be worked out.

[1/28/01]

Lets see if it even matters in about 5 or so hours.

[ravensdan]

I wouldn't be too excited. While he's far better than any wr currently on the roster under his mid 40s I don't think he's worth the price he would command. They aren't giving him away for a 6th and he's highly overrated IMO he has not proven he's an upper tier #1. He's no Brandon Marshall IMO. High end #2 low end #1. That's my opinion.

[GrimCoconut]

I would like to see us trade for Eddie Royal at least. I think he'd be a good downfield threat. He shouldn't cost us much, either. He hasn't done much this year, but he was pretty effective last year.

[PurpleCity5]

You know, I'd hate to beat a dead horse but what about Boldin? He's going to be a free agent and things aren't going right for San Fran, they look like a team on the cups of rebuilding. I wouldn't mind if we went after him. 

Edited October 1, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Inqui]

You know, I'd hate to beat a dead horse but what about Boldin? He's going to be a free agent and things aren't going right for San Fran, they look like a team on the cups of rebuilding. I wouldn't mind if we went after him. 

Be funny if we could get him for a seventh.