Could the Ravens be considering a trade for (insert WR here)?

[Inqui]

No  they still 4-3 defense  for sure.

Their depth chart shows a 4-3. So I'm not going crazy:

http://www.jaguars.com/team/depth-chart.html

 

One disappointing player for another. Not a terrible trade for either side tbh, but I couldn't see it happening.

[52liveforever]

I could have sworn they ran a 4-3. Did they change this year or something?

They still run a 4-3.

[MTRavensFan]

 

also has anyone put any thought into us having a potentially high draft pick next year, making ozzie hold back on trades? maybe he sees a top 15 pick in the future for us and doesnt pull the trigger because he knows we have better value with a top 15 pick in the first 3 rounds than what we can find on the market?

Uh, no.

A lot of us still have faith we can right this ship with just a little help. Thus all the discussion about a trade soon.

 

I seriously doubt Ozzie's given up on this season either.

[Inqui]

Uh, no.

A lot of us still have faith we can right this ship with just a little help. Thus all the discussion about a trade soon.

 

I seriously doubt Ozzie's given up on this season either.

But it would still be pretty silly for Ozzie to throw away too many picks like confetti (and certainly high picks) without knowing where they'll end up. Wanting to hang onto the higher picks for the time being isn't about giving up on the season as you're implying, but it's about not doing anything too rash that loses value before the end of the season.

[MTRavensFan]

But it would still be pretty silly for Ozzie to throw away too many picks like confetti (and certainly high picks) without knowing where they'll end up. Wanting to hang onto the higher picks for the time being isn't about giving up on the season as you're implying, but it's about not doing anything too rash that loses value before the end of the season.

Absolutely agree with you there. Draft picks are worth their weight in gold when you're as cash-strapped as we are.

 

I was more referring to the suggestion that Ozzie's maybe counting on a top 15 pick, and done making moves. I seriously doubt we do anything flashy (we simply can't afford it), and I'm sure they want to see how Givens contributes before making any further decisions.

I trust that Ozzie won't trade long-term value for the quick fix.

[Winchester]

Yeah lee is the third best receiver inJackOncille. He's in no shape or form any type of number one plus he has not stayed healthy.

My opinion he is the best WR on the jags. Remember production is all bout system and chemistry. Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were at the same community college. Both were outproduced by another obscure WR. Marqise's injuries are minor. No reason to believe they will linger. As far as talent he is a phenom!! Watch his games and practices. He has all the talent of amari Cooper. He needs some coaching on hand placement but he has lightning acceleration, top notch athleticism, ridiculous burst and flexibility in his routes and he will catch in traffic. I maintained Steffon diggs had legit talenttalent to be a great wr that would show with a proper offense and qb. I liked him better than perriman actually not that I dislike perriman. But In my humble opinion he has better functional route running speed and shiftiness. Marqise has very similar skillset to amari Cooper. He would not be the first WR talent to flourish with a change of scenery.

[JoeyFlex5]

Uh, no.

A lot of us still have faith we can right this ship with just a little help. Thus all the discussion about a trade soon.

 

I seriously doubt Ozzie's given up on this season either.

 

Absolutely agree with you there. Draft picks are worth their weight in gold when you're as cash-strapped as we are.

 

I was more referring to the suggestion that Ozzie's maybe counting on a top 15 pick, and done making moves. I seriously doubt we do anything flashy (we simply can't afford it), and I'm sure they want to see how Givens contributes before making any further decisions.

I trust that Ozzie won't trade long-term value for the quick fix.

why even make the first post then? youre agreeing with what i just said. 

 

if ozzie knows that a midseason trade for 1 or 2 year rental is far beyond what is needed to save this season, then he is not going to make it, and the distinct possibility that we may be picking in the top 15 is fuel to the fire, ozzie sure as hell wont be giving up a top 15 in the 3rd round for a player who may have zero impact on our season at all, then its a wasted valuable pick, wasted cap space, and with no return. in short, he explores all avenues with the short, medium, and long term in mind, for you to say "not making a trade to fix this is giving up on the season" well thats short term thinking. the only reason for making a midseason trade is for emergency purposes, or if you are certain that you are trading for the missing piece, tossing picks around the league hoping to maybe get a player who can help us rebound from an 0-3 start is irresponsible, because after starting 0-3 its a longshot to even make the playoffs, so why ship off picks if its unlikely to save our season anyway? if its a trade for a future cornerstone player, im all for it, dont go shipping off picks that will likely be higher than weve had since 08 because you get desperate to rebound a bad season for a team that is limited to begin with.

[JoeyFlex5]

No  they still 4-3 defense  for sure.

whoops, i figured it was a 3-4 since they drafted fowler, i saw him as a true 3-4OLB, the suggs type who fills all the roles. my mistake.

[JoeyFlex5]

My opinion he is the best WR on the jags. Remember production is all bout system and chemistry. Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were at the same community college. Both were outproduced by another obscure WR. Marqise's injuries are minor. No reason to believe they will linger. As far as talent he is a phenom!! Watch his games and practices. He has all the talent of amari Cooper. He needs some coaching on hand placement but he has lightning acceleration, top notch athleticism, ridiculous burst and flexibility in his routes and he will catch in traffic. I maintained Steffon diggs had legit talenttalent to be a great wr that would show with a proper offense and qb. I liked him better than perriman actually not that I dislike perriman. But In my humble opinion he has better functional route running speed and shiftiness. Marqise has very similar skillset to amari Cooper. He would not be the first WR talent to flourish with a change of scenery.

you are seriously overrating marqise lee. he lacks the tenacity, the body control, the aggression, he basically lacks everything except for route running and athleticism when comparing to amari cooper. i still like marqise lee and think a change of scenery would help him have a decent career, but you are getting carried away, first odb now cooper.. most of us have seen plenty of lee, alot of us participate heavy in the draft forums and he was a favorite around here, so we have seen plenty from him, the thing is his ceiling was never as high as you are making it out to be, he lacks alot of what separates "elite" wrs from the "good" ones like catching in traffic and body control and general reliability.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

the Ravens aren't a high volume passing game? Hmmm. Interesting the Joe has 154 passing attempts in four games and hasn't had less than 500 passing attempts since 2010, but they aren't a high volume passing team. Joe had less passing attempts than Russell Wilson once- 2008. Wilson's most passing attempts came in 2011, but dropped off by 50 in 2012, Tare's best season there ironically.

And no, I didn't get sarcastic. I pointed out you had very flawed logic and pointed out where you were wrong, like I did above.

Sorry I misread one small tidbit of information that was also false and misconstrued it a little when explaining the overall skillet that Tate would bring to the Ravens.

He would produce far more than Torrey in a far more useful way.

And again, Torrey never had less than 90 targets and went over 100 twice, something Tate never did in Seattle. It is totally unfair to compare their production. The only time Tate went over 90, he produced better numbers than Torrey.

I agree that basing anything off just stats is flawed, but it's the only quantifiable starting point.

For the record, I want Tate. I think he would be very effective here. I just don't think he's worth a 3rd and KO. I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat for a 3rd.

I like Tate best of all the options that have been speculated (Boldin, Roddy White, etc...) mainly bc I think he's still improving and entering his prime. He's also dynamic and can beat you in a number of ways.

But I don't think he steps in as the best WR we've ever had. Michael Jackson, Boldin for stretches, Mason and possibly SSS were all better. Tate has the potential to surpass some of them, but it's not a foregone conclusion by any means.

Production wise I don't think he'd be what he was in Seattle, but I also don't see him near the production he had last year. I think he'd be somewhere in between - 50-60 catches, 800-900 yds, and 4-5 TDs.

I think he'd be a solid addition but not a true #1 WR.

[Tank 92]

I want Chris Givens.   Why?   Because we already have him.   Go Chris!!!

[JoeyFlex5]

i have always been a fan of golden tate, and would love to see him here, but i have to ask, where did the talk of tate even begin? is this just random speculation?

[jazz1988]

i have always been a fan of golden tate, and would love to see him here, but i have to ask, where did the talk of tate even begin? is this just random speculation?

 

Somebody mention on twitter and  I forgot the twitter name  but he suppose to be  a  Baltimore Ravens blogger. He said he heard on the radio Aaron Wilson mentioning The Ravens having possible  interest in  trading for Golden Tate.. 

[rmw10]

Somebody mention on twitter and  I forgot the twitter name  but he suppose to be  a  Baltimore Ravens blogger. He said he heard on the radio Aaron Wilson mentioning The Ravens having possible  interest in  trading for Golden Tate.. 

 

Yep.  Aaron Wilson is where it originated.  He's still got heavy connections to the organization, so I'd find it hard to believe that he was just speculating.  I'm sure he knows something.  The seriousness of those trade talks is what would be in question.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yep. Aaron Wilson is where it originated. He's still got heavy connections to the organization, so I'd find it hard to believe that he was just speculating. I'm sure he knows something. The seriousness of those trade talks is what would be in question.

Yeah. Sad he left full time. Probably our best source of info for years.

I'd really like Tate. It'd probably take a high pick to get him but he's pretty good WR. A low end #1 in my eyes. Which is fine. I think a massive misconception is that we need an elite WR. Boldin nor Torrey were elite. They were good. We won that SB because the offensive line protected Flacco and he activated god mode. He had a stable(not spectacular. But very good) corp of weapons. Tate could be something of a intermediate WR for us. I'd take our third rounder and send it to them. Not easy to find a WR like Tate

Edited October 9, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

i have always been a fan of golden tate, and would love to see him here, but i have to ask, where did the talk of tate even begin? is this just random speculation?

Aaron Wilson made the connection. Tate's unhappy, we have a good working relationship with the Lions, their bottom is falling out...

There's reason to speculate, but since it came from Wilson I lend some credence to it. He's usually not one to just throw darts.

[Winchester]

you are seriously overrating marqise lee. he lacks the tenacity, the body control, the aggression, he basically lacks everything except for route running and athleticism when comparing to amari cooper. i still like marqise lee and think a change of scenery would help him have a decent career, but you are getting carried away, first odb now cooper.. most of us have seen plenty of lee, alot of us participate heavy in the draft forums and he was a favorite around here, so we have seen plenty from him, the thing is his ceiling was never as high as you are making it out to be, he lacks alot of what separates "elite" wrs from the "good" ones like catching in traffic and body control and general reliability.

Actually if you watch his practices, body control is his best asset. And he can make contested catches. His straight line speed is what is not elite. It is really good but not great. He does however have great route playspeed. Which is more functional anyways. I don't have time to participate in the draft forum but I do like to watch the wrs.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yeah. Sad he left full time. Probably our best source of info for years.

I'd really like Tate. It'd probably take a high pick to get him but he's pretty good WR. A low end #1 in my eyes. Which is fine. I think a massive misconception is that we need an elite WR. Boldin nor Torrey were elite. They were good. We won that SB because the offensive line protected Flacco and he activated god mode. He had a stable(not spectacular. But very good) corp of weapons. Tate could be something of a intermediate WR for us. I'd take our third rounder and send it to them. Not easy to find a WR like Tate

Agree 100%. We don't need a dominant guy. Tate and SSS would be a great duo and allow Aiken and Brown to play the roles they should.

Perriman then can be a wild card, and take time developing without having to be thrust into the spotlight. Givens, Aiken and Brown as 3rd, 4th and 5th options or 4th-6th with Perriman is very good depth.

And with Crockett back in the fold that'd look like a very good stable of weapons.

And I think Tate would be a great transition next year replacing SSS and creating a dynamic receiving duo with Perriman.

A 3rd and I'd do it in a heartbeat. 3rd and a 7th and I'm still in.

[BmoreBird22]

I agree that basing anything off just stats is flawed, but it's the only quantifiable starting point.

For the record, I want Tate. I think he would be very effective here. I just don't think he's worth a 3rd and KO. I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat for a 3rd.

I like Tate best of all the options that have been speculated (Boldin, Roddy White, etc...) mainly bc I think he's still improving and entering his prime. He's also dynamic and can beat you in a number of ways.

But I don't think he steps in as the best WR we've ever had. Michael Jackson, Boldin for stretches, Mason and possibly SSS were all better. Tate has the potential to surpass some of them, but it's not a foregone conclusion by any means.

Production wise I don't think he'd be what he was in Seattle, but I also don't see him near the production he had last year. I think he'd be somewhere in between - 50-60 catches, 800-900 yds, and 4-5 TDs.

I think he'd be a solid addition but not a true #1 WR.

I don't think it's fair to only look at stats because the Seahawks don't ask Wilson to go out and pass 30 times a game or win them games often with that arm. His stats weren't telling of his potential.

And no way in hell would I trade KO and a third. I love Tate, but not that much. I'm with you on that third rounder being ideal.

And I don't actually remember my wording, but could should always be used just because I have no idea what he'll be in Baltimore. For what it's worth, I thought Boldin was overrated here, largely due to him not being used in a favorable way (the slot) and out of those three, I'd take SSS, but they were all aging, and as you said, Tate is entering his prime and he's steadily improved each and every year.

I should also mention I never got to see Jackson play. A bit too young for that

I have to disagree because I think Tate would be a one. An elite one? No, but a solid one. I think he'd be good for 75-85 catches and 1100 yards, maybe five or six touchdowns.

Now, whether or not it ever becomes a reality is what's frustrating me because I honestly would love that trade more than any of the other ones, just like you

[BmoreBird22]

Agree 100%. We don't need a dominant guy. Tate and SSS would be a great duo and allow Aiken and Brown to play the roles they should.

Perriman then can be a wild card, and take time developing without having to be thrust into the spotlight. Givens, Aiken and Brown as 3rd, 4th and 5th options or 4th-6th with Perriman is very good depth.

And with Crockett back in the fold that'd look like a very good stable of weapons.

And I think Tate would be a great transition next year replacing SSS and creating a dynamic receiving duo with Perriman.

A 3rd and I'd do it in a heartbeat. 3rd and a 7th and I'm still in.

I don't care how old Steve is, if Tate, Perriman, and Tate all lined up on the field at once, I'd actually say it's a solid receiving corp, or would have the potential to be one

[HoldingCall]

And i think that would be a mistake if you mean by a first rounder again.  We would have zero veteran prefernce at wr unless you want to count Aiken, a league journymen.  Granted, we dont know what we have in BP yet but i think we will get an idea late this year.  Im sticking to my predictions for next that we aquire Vincent Jackson, Pierre Garcon, or Roddy White, with White be the least attractive to myself, just something i have been saying for a bit.  I dont think we can take another first wround WR, we will either go pass rusher or cb imo

What you say makes sense, but how do you pay them was my point. What draft pick will the team be willing to give up? then how do they keep him financially, next year. Not sure I am totally up on team financial health but I don't believe it's going to happen unless another WR gets injured.

 

If the team cannot function without the addition of one player, they are already in deep, deep trouble.

Edited October 9, 2015 by HoldingCall

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah. Sad he left full time. Probably our best source of info for years.

I'd really like Tate. It'd probably take a high pick to get him but he's pretty good WR. A low end #1 in my eyes. Which is fine. I think a massive misconception is that we need an elite WR. Boldin nor Torrey were elite. They were good. We won that SB because the offensive line protected Flacco and he activated god mode. He had a stable(not spectacular. But very good) corp of weapons. Tate could be something of a intermediate WR for us. I'd take our third rounder and send it to them. Not easy to find a WR like Tate

i would absolutely send a 3rd for tate. a well rounded WR who is proven in this league, he is scheme-versatile, he is reliable, he is a playmaker, and he is really just entering his prime. he has a little less time left in this league than if we were to draft a guy and keep him, but its worth the risk considering he probably has another 4-5 years of heavy contribution at a relatively affordable price. 

[izvoodoo]

i would absolutely send a 3rd for tate. a well rounded WR who is proven in this league, he is scheme-versatile, he is reliable, he is a playmaker, and he is really just entering his prime. he has a little less time left in this league than if we were to draft a guy and keep him, but its worth the risk considering he probably has another 4-5 years of heavy contribution at a relatively affordable price. 

he's still under contract right?  

[Inqui]

he's still under contract right?  

He's in a contract year iirc.

 

ED: I absolutely don't recall correctly. He's got three seasons left after this. Close enough.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/golden-tate/

Edited October 9, 2015 by Inqui

[GrimCoconut]

I don't care how old Steve is, if Tate, Perriman, and Tate all lined up on the field at once, I'd actually say it's a solid receiving corp, or would have the potential to be one

I like Tate & all, but do you think he is talented enough where he can line-up in both the X & Y WR positions simultaneously? 

Edited October 9, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Inqui]

I like Tate & all, but do you think he is talented enough where he can line-up in both the X & Y WR positions simultaneously? 

He's the Barry Church of WRs.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I don't care how old Steve is, if Tate, Perriman, and Tate all lined up on the field at once, I'd actually say it's a solid receiving corp, or would have the potential to be one

Absolutely. You'd have 3 very capable, very different weapons that have the potential to each take over a game depending on the matchups and in different ways.

Depending on what Perriman looks like once he gets on the field, that trio would have potential to be the best receiving group we've ever had.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Absolutely agree with you there. Draft picks are worth their weight in gold when you're as cash-strapped as we are.

I was more referring to the suggestion that Ozzie's maybe counting on a top 15 pick, and done making moves. I seriously doubt we do anything flashy (we simply can't afford it), and I'm sure they want to see how Givens contributes before making any further decisions.

I trust that Ozzie won't trade long-term value for the quick fix.

If Ozzie held back from improving the team bc he was banking on a top 15 pick... I'd seriously question him contuing as our GM.

Were 1 game back from the WC with a team Ozzie assembled. If he doesn't think this team can compete then that means he consciously constructed a flawed team.

Sure we've suffered losses but every team does and most should be back in just a couple weeks. If he feels the team is beyond needing just a key addition here or there to fight for a playoff spot; then I don't want him leading this franchise.

Of course I don't want him throwing picks around, or giving up a 1st or 2nd. But if he can get value in return, especially a player like Tate for a 3rd... Where you feel pretty good that you'd be lucky to get a player of his calibre in the 3rd, and he'd be a part of the team for a few years going forward even if the wheels fall off; then absolutely you explore the option or I'd question your motives.

[January J]

If Ozzie held back from improving the team bc he was banking on a top 15 pick... I'd seriously question him contuing as our GM.

Were 1 game back from the WC with a team Ozzie assembled. If he doesn't think this team can compete then that means he consciously constructed a flawed team.

Sure we've suffered losses but every team does and most should be back in just a couple weeks. If he feels the team is beyond needing just a key addition here or there to fight for a playoff spot; then I don't want him leading this franchise.

Of course I don't want him throwing picks around, or giving up a 1st or 2nd. But if he can get value in return, especially a player like Tate for a 3rd... Where you feel pretty good that you'd be lucky to get a player of his calibre in the 3rd, and he'd be a part of the team for a few years going forward even if the wheels fall off; then absolutely you explore the option or I'd question your motives.

I think teams are probably trying to bust Him in the head knowing how desperate we are. Ozzies not gonna get bent over. He also may be waiting to see what happens Sunday, or other teams maybe waiting as well. A win for us and the season will still be looked at as salvageable, a loss for another 0-4 or 1-3 team like the bears or lions and they may be more willing to part ways with one of their receivers. Heck, maybe Aiken and brown come out and set the world on fire. ....long shot I know. Edited October 9, 2015 by January J

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

He's the Barry Church of WRs.

So now we have to give up a first rounder for him? Damnit