Could the Ravens be considering a trade for (insert WR here)?

[Tru11]

Wait what? That would be a great trade. K.O has under preformed quiet honestly and I heavily doubt we're keeping him, we would be getting more than something for him by trading him for a star WR. How is that a bad deal?  We also have  a back up in Urschel who could get right in and start immediately, who's bound to be his replacement when K.O departs. I don't know if Detroit accepts but gosh I would love that scenario. 

 

tate is not a star receiver.

he had 1 good year.

he aint no Dez or AJ Green orso.

he will carry a cap hit for around 5 mil next season

trading him will leave the lions with 10 mil in dead space.

starting urschel will make our o-line even more worse then it already is and leave us with no depth incase an injury occurs.

joe will probably not be thrilled having hurst and urshel on the left side.

our run game will be even worse then it already is since urschel is that much of a downgrade from K.O.

it will also give yanda every leverage when it comes to getting a deal done.

it will also put the lions in a bind to must resign K.O.

 

on top of this we will be a 3rd rounder shorter which ozzie values alot.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Tru11

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Wait what? That would be a great trade. K.O has under preformed quiet honestly and I heavily doubt we're keeping him, we would be getting more than something for him by trading him for a star WR. How is that a bad deal?  We also have  a back up in Urschel who could get right in and start immediately, who's bound to be his replacement when K.O departs. I don't know if Detroit accepts but gosh I would love that scenario. 

The whole line has underperformed. I dont think its a direct reflection of KO. Its terrible value in return with that trade. A 3rd and KO? tate is worth maybe a 3rd by himself... and KO probably worth a 2nd or 3rd. so we'd be in essence giving up 2 picks of equal or greater value for one in return.

 

Plus, with KO playing under par, taht only increases the likelihood that we'd resign him imo. he becomes more affordable and we know hes capable of playing like an elite guard. I know we have Urschel, but im not ready to hand the starting job over to him. Depth on the O-line is one of our best assets... trade KO and thats gone.,

[Cillmatic]

On Nfl.com they mentioned wideout Rishard Matthews and cover man Brent Grimes as being possible trade mates for the ravens given their current situation in Miami at the moment. Wonder if that would be possible, both could require mid to low round draft picks.

No way the Dolphins give up Grimes.

[Static]

Rishad would be cool but I don't know why they'd move him unless we give up a defensive player

[Cillmatic]

tate is not a star receiver.

he had 1 good year.

he aint no Dez or AJ Green orso.

he will carry a cap hit for around 5 mil next season

trading him will leave the lions with 10 mil in dead space.

starting urschel will make our o-line even more worse then it already is and leave us with no depth incase an injury occurs.

joe will probably not be thrilled having hurst and urshel on the left side.

our run game will be even worse then it already is since urschel is that much of a downgrade from K.O.

it will also give yanda every leverage when it comes to getting a deal done.

it will also put the lions in a bind to must resign K.O.

on top of this we will be a 3rd rounder shorter which ozzie values alot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfPri2HGoQ4

He'd be the best WR we've ever had.

[Adreme]

I see no reason why the Ravens would consider even moving one of there starting olinemen for a WR who is of the same level or even slightly better at his position.  Havnig a great Oline makes every single thing on offense easier from running to passing whereas if you have a weak oline then even if you have great WR and TE then it wont matter because you wont be able to give your QB time or get your RB going.

 

Basically even though KO has not played great I would not trade him strait up unless I am 100% sure that he is not able to be resigned in the offseason and even then I am checking my depth chart to make sure I am confident because I do not want to just throw away this year for next.

[PurpleCity5]

tate is not a star receiver.

he had 1 good year.

he aint no Dez or AJ Green orso.

he will carry a cap hit for around 5 mil.

trading him will leave the lions with 10 mil in dead space.

starting urschel will make our o-line even more worse then it already is and leave us with no depth incase an injury occurs.

joe will probably not be thrilled having hurst and urshel on the left side.

our run game will be even worse then it already is since urschel is that much of a downgrade from K.O.

it will also give yanda every leverage when it comes to getting a deal done.

it will also put the lions in a bind to must resign K.O.

 

on top of this we will be a 3rd rounder shorter which ozzie values alot.

I wouldn't say Tate only had one good year, he was good in Seattle, last season was a breakout year and one that was surely impressive. He isn't Dez or AJ but no one said he was and who are we going to trade for that is? Also, you're  not getting either of those guys with a 3rd and K.O. I don't see a big problem into starting Urschel, last season he filled in as our starting Guard when K.O missed time and preformed well. He also filled in when Yanda went to RT and did a great job against New England and Pittsburgh, so I don't see how Urschel is a big downgrade. 

 

Joe won't have to worry about Hurst and K.O because he will get Monroe back. 

 

As far as Yanda's leverage goes, you have a point but I believe he already has all the leverage he needs. He's easily been our best OL and outperformed K.O so far by a mile. I'm sure he even knows who our Front Office will decide to extend. It may give him more leverage, but I already feel like he has enough. 

 

As far as the draft pick is concerned, if we don't sign a FA, we're likely to pick a WR high once again, that might even come at the cost of our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. Biscotti pounded on the table for a pass rusher, signing Tate will give us a very reliable starting WR that will allow us to build on the pass rush. Tate also flourishes with pocket passers and is dangerous at YAC and most importantly a play-maker which is what we badly need. It's like using our 3rd round pick on Tate virtually which would be a steal IMO.  

 

Tate will carry a cap hit of $3M and a base salary of $750K, I'm sure it would take some moves to fit him but not out of our range, so as of now, I don't see Cap as a big problem. 

 

I also don't see why its too high of a price of Ozzie. We gave away a 3rd and a 4th round pick for AnQuan Boldin. Tate is on his level if not better. 

[Adreme]

He'd be the best WR we've ever had.

 

The thing is when you play in Detroit opposite Calvin Johnson you are the number 2 WR and any big plays you make have to come with the asterisk that you are the number 2 so you are not going head to head with the other teams best corner and lets be honest the safeties are probably inching over to Calvin as well because of how dominant he has been the past few years.  I mention this because in Baltimore he would likely be the number 1 and that means he will look more like he did in Seattle which was good but not great.

[PurpleCity5]

The whole line has underperformed. I dont think its a direct reflection of KO. Its terrible value in return with that trade. A 3rd and KO? tate is worth maybe a 3rd by himself... and KO probably worth a 2nd or 3rd. so we'd be in essence giving up 2 picks of equal or greater value for one in return.

 

Plus, with KO playing under par, taht only increases the likelihood that we'd resign him imo. he becomes more affordable and we know hes capable of playing like an elite guard. I know we have Urschel, but im not ready to hand the starting job over to him. Depth on the O-line is one of our best assets... trade KO and thats gone.,

You're right, I don't think that's a reflection of K.O either but I just believe it's inevitable if he'll leave. I also think that even if he plays bad, it's doubtful he returns, he'll be below more priorities. We've made Tucker and Yanda a priority. I'm also looking at our 2017 Free Agents and we've got some heavy priorities. I think Brandon Williams is a candidate of an extension, he's played great and honestly looks every bit of a guy you would build a DLine around. If Wagner could get it together I find him to be the higher priority than K.O. 

 

Also, lets say he does preform well and goes back to playing like a the old K.O, then it's guaranteed that we won't keep him. I just honestly like to get something in return for a guy who's bound to leave. 

[Cillmatic]

The thing is when you play in Detroit opposite Calvin Johnson you are the number 2 WR and any big plays you make have to come with the asterisk that you are the number 2 so you are not going head to head with the other teams best corner and lets be honest the safeties are probably inching over to Calvin as well because of how dominant he has been the past few years. I mention this because in Baltimore he would likely be the number 1 and that means he will look more like he did in Seattle which was good but not great.

Correct me wrong but when Perriman begins to play wouldn't he be double teamed due to his speed? In his last year in Seattle he got over 800 yards with RW as QB, worst O-line in the league and the worst OC. That's gotta count for something right? Edited October 7, 2015 by Cillmatic

[PurpleCity5]

The thing is when you play in Detroit opposite Calvin Johnson you are the number 2 WR and any big plays you make have to come with the asterisk that you are the number 2 so you are not going head to head with the other teams best corner and lets be honest the safeties are probably inching over to Calvin as well because of how dominant he has been the past few years.  I mention this because in Baltimore he would likely be the number 1 and that means he will look more like he did in Seattle which was good but not great.

I think it's worth mentioning Tate had some of the best games of his career when Calvin was absent. He really exploded in the stretch of games Calvin didn't play and had multiple 120+ yard games, he actually played better without Calvin in the lineup than with him there. 

[omar586]

I could see something like this :

 

Det  Sends: Golden Tate

 

Baltimore Sends : Kelechi Osemele  + 3rd round pick to Detroit

 

Detroit is in dire need of a quality Guard.

u r out of your mind. KO and 3rd rnd pick?!

[Purple Punishment]

Didn't we get a sixth round pick for Boldin?I don't remember the front office getting a third rounder for him.Also,Tate is about 5 years younger than Boldin was and is coming off a good career in seattle and a 90+ catch,1300+ yard season.I think Detroit will want a second and his price will be atleast a third and a fourth or/and a player.Seattle just gave up a first Jimmy Graham and Tates worth is only a few notches under Graham's.

Tate doesn't garner anywhere near as much attention as Graham in relation

[-Truth-]

KO and a 3rd round pick seem like quite steep compensation even with his recent struggles. I think this deal is very unfavorable for the Ravens and thus I don't like it at all.

 

Would not be a fan of the compensation as well.

[Purple Punishment]

u r out of your mind. KO and 3rd rnd pick?!

Yeah I share your sentiment. Maybe for Megatron

[GrimCoconut]

What leads you to believe they buck the trend? 20 years of drafting history leads me to conclude the alternative.

How many WR did we draft early and when have we ever had a QB like Joe?

[redlobster]

Things I learned in this thread:

 

• Golden Tate is not a good receiver
• Quality WR are always available and this is the year that Ozzie pulls the trigger on one (ignore camp, waller, clayton, travis taylor, marcus smith, Patrick Johnson, Ron Johnson, Javon Hunter, Devard Darling, Clarence Moore, Abney, Demetrius Williams, Yamon Figurs, Harper , Reed, Doss,Streeter , Mellete)
• KO is a top tier OL
• Yanda doesn't have all the leverage
• KO and a 3rd should be good enough to get Calvin Johnson
• The Ravens front office shouldn't part with a 3rd round pick (for the hypothetical possibility of acquiring one of the 1st or 2nd best WR the ravens have ever had ) because they might need to draft a 10th DL or LB and get great "value" while they ride the pine or are inactive.

Edited October 7, 2015 by redlobster

[Daft Classic]

Tate's cap hit the next few years is outrageous. He has cap hits of $7 mil, $8 mil, and $9 mil across the last 3 years. Next year we would be stuck paying him $7 million regardless of how he does when he gets here, and wouldn't even have the chance to consider cutting him until 2017 where we still get hit by $4 mil in dead money. 

 

Unless they are absolutely sure Tate can be a top guy for us, they have no reason to spend our already limited cap space on someone who is mainly concerned with just helping this year

 

EDIT: For $7 million a year, we can easily pull in a good WR from FA next year. Crabtree, Quick, Randle, Matthews, A very generous Jeffery

Edited October 7, 2015 by Daft Classic

[Tru11]

I wouldn't say Tate only had one good year, he was good in Seattle, last season was a breakout year and one that was surely impressive. He isn't Dez or AJ but no one said he was and who are we going to trade for that is? Also, you're  not getting either of those guys with a 3rd and K.O. I don't see a big problem into starting Urschel, last season he filled in as our starting Guard when K.O missed time and preformed well. He also filled in when Yanda went to RT and did a great job against New England and Pittsburgh, so I don't see how Urschel is a big downgrade. 

 

Joe won't have to worry about Hurst and K.O because he will get Monroe back. 

 

As far as Yanda's leverage goes, you have a point but I believe he already has all the leverage he needs. He's easily been our best OL and outperformed K.O so far by a mile. I'm sure he even knows who our Front Office will decide to extend. It may give him more leverage, but I already feel like he has enough. 

 

As far as the draft pick is concerned, if we don't sign a FA, we're likely to pick a WR high once again, that might even come at the cost of our 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. Biscotti pounded on the table for a pass rusher, signing Tate will give us a very reliable starting WR that will allow us to build on the pass rush. Tate also flourishes with pocket passers and is dangerous at YAC and most importantly a play-maker which is what we badly need. It's like using our 3rd round pick on Tate virtually which would be a steal IMO.  

 

Tate will carry a cap hit of $3M and a base salary of $750K, I'm sure it would take some moves to fit him but not out of our range, so as of now, I don't see Cap as a big problem. 

 

I also don't see why its too high of a price of Ozzie. We gave away a 3rd and a 4th round pick for AnQuan Boldin. Tate is on his level if not better. 

 

lmao.

 

so you think Osemele is only worth a 4th rounder?

 

also tate is nowhere close to the WR boldin was when we got him.

 

im sorry but this must be a joke     

 

 

He'd be the best WR we've ever had.

 

only people that would believe this are those that jumped on the bandwagon recently and did not know steve smith, mason and boldin played for the ravens lol

Edited October 7, 2015 by Tru11

[Purple Punishment]

<p>

Things I learned in this thread:

• Golden Tate is not a good receiver
• Quality WR are always available and this is the year that Ozzie pulls the trigger on one (ignore camp, waller, clayton, travis taylor, marcus smith, Patrick Johnson, Ron Johnson, Javon Hunter, Devard Darling, Clarence Moore, Abney, Demetrius Williams, Yamon Figurs, Harper , Reed, Doss,Streeter , Mellete)
• KO is a top tier OL
• Yanda doesn't have all the leverage
• KO and a 3rd should be good enough to get Calvin Johnson
• The Ravens front office shouldn't part with a 3rd round pick (for the hypothetical possibility of acquiring one of the 1st or 2nd best WR the ravens have ever had ) because they might need to draft a 10th DL or LB and get great "value" while they ride the pine or are inactive.

You forgot Lamont Brightful

[GrimCoconut]

<p>

Things I learned in this thread:

• Golden Tate is not a good receiver
• Quality WR are always available and this is the year that Ozzie pulls the trigger on one (ignore camp, waller, clayton, travis taylor, marcus smith, Patrick Johnson, Ron Johnson, Javon Hunter, Devard Darling, Clarence Moore, Abney, Demetrius Williams, Yamon Figurs, Harper , Reed, Doss,Streeter , Mellete)
• KO is a top tier OL
• Yanda doesn't have all the leverage
• KO and a 3rd should be good enough to get Calvin Johnson
• The Ravens front office shouldn't part with a 3rd round pick (for the hypothetical possibility of acquiring one of the 1st or 2nd best WR the ravens have ever had ) because they might need to draft a 10th DL or LB and get great "value" while they ride the pine or are inactive.

Who said he's not a good WR??? Isn't it early to say Campanaro or Waller aren't "quality WR?" Many people (i.e. Sami) on this very forum claimed him (Campanaro) to be a critical loss. I don't see how he can be both. KO has been a very good OL for us. I wouldn't bring him back but I've maintained that opinion for some time.

Who said any of this about Megatron, Yanda, or not wanting to part with a 3rd round pick? I don't necessarily mind parting with a third for Tate, but his contract isn't that friendly but it is certainly palatable Furthermore, I don't see why we'd trade KO and a third for him. I'm not even convinced he'd be the best or second best WR in our history. Mason, Boldin, and especially Steve Smith Sr have been very productive here.

Edited October 7, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[PurpleCity5]

lmao.

 

so you think Osemele is only worth a 4th rounder?

 

also tate is nowhere close to the WR boldin was when we got him.

 

im sorry but this must be a joke     

 

 

 

 

[on top of this we will be a 3rd rounder shorter which ozzie values alot.]

If you misunderstood then fine, I never once said that K.O is worth a fourth. I was alluding to the fact that you said that we would be a 3rd rounder shorter which is what Ozzie values but I gave you an example of him giving up not only a 3rd but a 4th for a WR who wasn't a star for us till the playoffs arrived and did a good job for us in the regular season, but again wasn't a star. To say that Tate isn't close to Boldin's level when Boldin arrived would be false and I'll tell you why. People are saying it was Calvin who made Tate great when that's honestly false. Again as I told someone else Tate had his best games of the season when Calvin was OUT of the lineup. To say it was Calvin who made him better would just be false. You can even look back at the games in which Calvin was out for, the guy really exploded. I'm not going to say Tate would automatically be our best WR if he were to arrive, but to say "Nahhhh the guy wouldn't be on Boldin's level" is just a bit drastic and selling him short. 

 

Regardless I don't think we'll do it, but if we were to then I wouldn't be upset. 

Edited October 7, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

Would not be a fan of the compensation as well.

Yeah, I would like to have him, although surrendering a starter and a high draft pick is a lot to swallow. It's easy to say we should throw in Urschel, but what if Urschel gets hurt or struggles? Who's in to replace him at LG? Not exactly a place we want to be, even with his (KO) struggles of late.

[Cillmatic]

only people that would believe this are those that jumped on the bandwagon recently and did not know steve smith, mason and boldin played for the ravens lol

Some one has a different opinion than me therefore he his a bandwagoner. Ok bro.

[GrimCoconut]

Tate's cap hit the next few years is outrageous. He has cap hits of $7 mil, $8 mil, and $9 mil across the last 3 years. Next year we would be stuck paying him $7 million regardless of how he does when he gets here, and wouldn't even have the chance to consider cutting him until 2017 where we still get hit by $4 mil in dead money.

Unless they are absolutely sure Tate can be a top guy for us, they have no reason to spend our already limited cap space on someone who is mainly concerned with just helping this year

EDIT: For $7 million a year, we can easily pull in a good WR from FA next year. Crabtree, Quick, Randle, Matthews, A very generous Jeffery

I could be wrong, but I looked up his salary and it's decent but I wouldn't call it something that would cripple us. His cap hit is $4.75M, $6M, & $7M respectively over the next three years. That's his base salary, which is all I believe we'd be required to pay. The Lions are on the hook for the signing and restructured bonuses.

[Tru11]

If you misunderstood then fine, I never once said that K.O is worth a fourth. I was alluding to the fact that you said that we would be a 3rd rounder shorter which is what Ozzie values but I gave you an example of him giving up not only a 3rd but a 4th for a WR who wasn't a star for us till the playoffs arrived and did a good job for us in the regular season, but again wasn't a star. To say that Tate isn't close to Boldin's level when Boldin arrived would be false and I'll tell you why. People are saying it was Calvin who made Tate great when that's honestly false. Again as I told someone else Tate had his best games of the season when Calvin was OUT of the lineup. To say it was Calvin who made him better would just be false. You can even look back at the games in which Calvin was out for, the guy really exploded. I'm not going to say Tate would automatically be our best WR if he were to arrive, but to say "Nahhhh the guy wouldn't be on Boldin's level" is just a bit drastic and selling him short. 

 

Regardless I don't think we'll do it, but if we were to then I wouldn't be upset. 

 

i did not misunderstand you.

 

you said:

 

tate = boldin

 

boldin cost a 3rd and 4th

 

you want to trade a 3rd and osemele for tate

 

so basically

 

3rd and 4th rounder = 3rd rounder and osemele.

 

Also tate is nowhere close to the WR boldin was.

1 good year for tate does not put him or even near boldin level.

 

you should probably be wise to check what records boldin holds and compare their stats before making such outlandish claims.

 

its totally disrespectful to compare a 1 year wonder at this point to someone as accomplished as boldin.....

 

im not selling him short at all but at this point his production isent even better then that of torrey lol

[Tru11]

Some one has a different opinion than me therefore he his a bandwagoner. Ok bro.

 

well yeah since you did not even know boldin and mason used to play for the ravens lol.

 

tate better then them what a joke 

 

the way he is playing this season he doesent even look like an upgrade over a 36 year old smitty lol

[Cillmatic]

well yeah since you did not even know boldin and mason used to play for the ravens lol.

tate better then them what a joke

the way he is playing this season he doesent even look like an upgrade over a 36 year old smitty lol

I know Anquan and Mason played here(don't know where you got that from), people act like boldin came in and immediately breasted like Steve did. IMO steve>boldin. And I think that if we had a young player like Tate for 4 years he would/could definitely be better for the TEAM. Id rather have Tate in his prime for 4-5 years than a aged Steve smith that disappeared mid season for two. Just my opinion. Edited October 7, 2015 by Cillmatic

[52520Andrew]

No way I am giving up K.O. and a 3rd rounder for Tate. Our line has struggled so we should trade one of our better starters? No thanks

[BSHU_Miami]

Grimes needs to stay put based on his wife alone, she is a nutcase.

grimes??!!! Can't be true. Gotta make that trade if it's available. He's one of the best CBs in the NFL.