[News] Late For Work 9/29: 6 Ravens Players That Give You Hope

[ratedr]

Actually, Week 9 is our bye week… After we play the Chargers, nice try though 

Oh wow, you're right. Idk why I thought it was after week 7, my mistake.

[WNC-Raven]

We wont win many games when the only receiver we have is Smitty. Everyone else is just out there for show and the opposing defenses know it. TE's have been doing "ok"

[ratedr]

Aiken wasn't good enough to make the Patriots roster yet he's our #2. Hilarious.

 

Congratulations for beating the secondary (the Raiders garbage secondary I should add) once or twice, he won't give you anything on a consistent basis.

[fusuymada]

I am not bashing anyone but let's just admit it guys and girls, Aiken, Brown, Waller, etc... are not wide receivers that are qualified to play in the NFL. Yes, we like these guys, we want them to succeed, yes they have flashes, but when I take off my purple sunglasses, I see a couple average guys who may be third receivers or practice squad guys on other teams. Other than Steve Smith and maybe Michael Campanaro, we don't have any receivers that either Flacco, Trestman or I trust. Flacco would go to these guys if he thought they could produce. He's not in the business to ignore open receivers and lose. While Chicago is having a fire sale, I say lets try to get Alshon Jeffries and I would give a 1 and 2 next year to actually get a wide receiver who was talented and ready to go on day one. Not someone we draft and hope will be good or someone we pick up at fire sale prices because they are just average. Will Chicago do that? Probably not, but we need to get a wide receiver to play opposite Steve Smith Sr and he isn't on this roster right now. Not only that but SSS is gone next year and we are going to rely on this group to get us by. I hope not.

[ratedr]

I am not bashing anyone but let's just admit it guys and girls, Aiken, Brown, Waller, etc... are not wide receivers that are qualified to play in the NFL. Yes, we like these guys, we want them to succeed, yes they have flashes, but when I take off my purple sunglasses, I see a couple average guys who may be third receivers or practice squad guys on other teams. Other than Steve Smith and maybe Michael Campanaro, we don't have any receivers that either Flacco, Trestman or I trust. Flacco would go to these guys if he thought they could produce. He's not in the business to ignore open receivers and lose. While Chicago is having a fire sale, I say lets try to get Alshon Jeffries and I would give a 1 and 2 next year to actually get a wide receiver who was talented and ready to go on day one. Not someone we draft and hope will be good or someone we pick up at fire sale prices because they are just average. Will Chicago do that? Probably not, but we need to get a wide receiver to play opposite Steve Smith Sr and he isn't on this roster right now. Not only that but SSS is gone next year and we are going to rely on this group to get us by. I hope not.

When SSS retires, and if Perriman is a bust, our top receivers will be Aiken, Brown, and Camp.

 

Yiiiiiiiiiiiikes.

[chuchu707]

Is their anyone avaible in free agency or lingering on someone team that can stretch the field for us? I'm literally sick to my stomach its a called fan syndrome

[chuchu707]

I'll rather use Butler than Marlon! Butler has more speed and better hands! Marlon dropped that pass and made me so angry

[BallSoHard_University]

Waller is a stud, idk why we don't utilize his height%u2026 he's 6"6, tallest CB on the Steelers is Cortez Allen, he's 6"1 lol the next guy up is 5"10%u2026. just throw it up to him!!!!! Figure it out Trestman

[Purple Dawg 96]

I got faith in our young WRs I think it's the new offense that everyone tryin to get use to! Keep slinging that Rock to Marlon Brown Kamar Aiken And Campy!

[merryjman]

I don't think the receiver situation can properly be addressed until the offensive line gets back on track. Going less than 40yds on the ground for the entire game is not going to set up favorable passing situations. If Flacco can't get more than 2.5 seconds for his looks, it doesn't matter whether we have a speedy guy to stretch the field or not because Flacco will underthrow him. KO and Zuttah both had some really awful penalties in the 2nd half that showed just how badly they need Monroe back and healthy.

All those drops, though.

[ratedr]

At the rate we're going Sr is going to need a wheelchair by the bye.

Edited September 29, 2015 by ratedr

[rmcjacket23]

We have a 6 foot 6 receiver in Darren Waller… why. aren't. we. using. him!!!!! With Gilmore potentially out, I think Max Williams will have a breakout game this week, 5 rec. 80 yards 1 TD…

Because size doesn't matter when you don't know how to use your size, and Waller doesn't.

 

He looks extremely awkward even running routes currently. He's just way too raw as a receiver to be counted on in an actual game from my perspective.

[salamander]

I share the concern about not wanting SSS in a position to push his body beyond human capacity and wear down as the season progresses. SSS is astounding but we need to get some balance with targets. Perhaps the TE's have the best shot at spreading out this offense, a dose of Camp may help also. SSS is a rare athlete in ability and mentality but he is still is human, not bionic. Even if he were 25 years old, not 36, there is still a heavy physical toll for 1 player to take on the majority of the offensive burden to produce. SSS is our #1 offensive weapon and we are going to need him all season long. Joe needs to gain confidence in his other targets so these other guys need to step up and earn Joe's trust. I want SSS to be balling full tilt and healthy through to the last snap of his career.

[BallsoHard622]

Then ravens shoulda went after Emanuel sanders when he was a free agent, that's the type of wr we need. I really thought he was the best an the most underrated wr on the market a couple years ago. They need a younger wr like him that runs routes jump balls an can still beat you deep. We've never had that!! Most of the good qbs in the league have at least two weapons that can win when you need them to. Until our front office figures that out we will be in the same boat. Smh

[January J]

Marlon brown was wide open on the 4th and long that joe threw to maxx. Problem is joe was running across the field in the opposite direction and would've had to absolutely throw a comet to get it to him. I wish he would've tried though, he easily would've had a touchdown. if he would've caught it

[RavensDieHard21]

We have the pieces necessary to win games but there are a plethora of reasons of why we can't close out games. The first thing is health. We can't seem to get all of our good players on the field at once. I would love for Monroe to return and add stability to the blind side. I would also love to get a 2 TE formation with Gilmore and Williams out there with SSS and Perriman on the opposite side. At least then we would have a legit shot of pounding the ball up the middle and using play action to the strength of our players. The ground game needs to sustain for us to kill clock and end games, period. On defense we are built to stop the run and that's great I love that, but we are so prone to giving up huge pass plays i don't know where to point the finger. I think it has to do with schemes and communication because Webb, Smith, Hill, Arrington, and Lewis are individually pretty darn good players. I just wish we would've kept Mcphee. I know that Ozzie is a genius and most often makes the best moves,but sometimes you actually have to pay your players that you groom and stop continuing to believe that every player drafted will immediately be able to replace that production. I felt with McPhee that he didn't get overpaid and if we weren't in cap disaster we could have easily kept him. Anyways, we must get Babin involved in the pass rush because once we can get some pressure on QBs our defense should be able to rebound. All three were heart breaking losses and it's to the players and coaches to adjust quickly to revive this season.

[TheConquerorWorm]

While Chicago is having a fire sale, I say lets try to get Alshon Jeffries and I would give a 1 and 2 next year to actually get a wide receiver who was talented and ready to go on day one. Not someone we draft and hope will be good or someone we pick up at fire sale prices because they are just average. Will Chicago do that? Probably not, but we need to get a wide receiver to play opposite Steve Smith Sr and he isn't on this roster right now. 

Alshon will be a free agent next year, giving up top draft picks to rent a guy for a season (where you started 0-3) is just not very smart no matter how desperate you are at WR. I think the Ravens would be smart to target a couple of talented WRs that have falling out of favor or expendable with their current team. Cordarrelle Patterson, Dontre Moncrief, Michael Floyd, DeVante Adams, Reuben Randle all come to mind. Given that the Ravens will probably get a 3rd Round Comp pick for Tyrod Taylor (and a 4th for Torrey), it seems like it would be easy to swing one of these guys without having to give up a top pick. IMO, Cordarrelle could easily be had for a 4th Rounder - he gives you size & speed at WR AND a legit Punt/Kick Returner. Adams & Moncrief would probably cost you more but those teams have sick WR depth. But I agree with you, we need to make a move at WR.

[RavensFootballFan]

Asking Ravens fans to remain calm reminds me of Kevin Bacon in Animal House movie "Remain calm, all is well". Picture Ravens fans running through the streets, panicking while trying to tell them to calm down. Here is the link to those who may not know what I am talking about as this was filmed in 1978 -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

[AsianRice]

Joe should be on our #1 list; he needs to play flawlessly to keep the Ravens alive for the postseason slot.....The sad part is he is playing with 1 toy and the rest of the league play with 3 or more toys....

[NCMan]

Because size doesn't matter when you don't know how to use your size, and Waller doesn't.

 

He looks extremely awkward even running routes currently. He's just way too raw as a receiver to be counted on in an actual game from my perspective.

I disagree. Besides, can anyone look more "awkward" than the other options we are using, in addition to a statue of a QB looking like he's never done this before, who stares down his receivers on every passing down?? I say play the guy, especially in the red zone. So, following your twisted logic, the Ravens are just wasting a roster spot by keeping his "raw and awkward" self on the roster. Yeah.

[steelcityraven]

While I would not be opposed to making a trade for a WR.... I would not wan to mortgage the future on this move. SSS will be reitiring at the end of the year and we already know this. We are going to need to make an investment into at least one more WR for 2016 and beyond! Therefore... I would not be against making a trade now! However I would not trade a # 1 and probably not a # 2 (unless it were for a top notch WR)???? A trade that I would consider however is KO for a WR. Not that I want to lose KO but we cannot keep both him and Yanda and we have already made that clear. That means we will be keeping Yanda and are going to lose KO... I would rather get something for him instead of nothing! So a rare mid season trade may make sense in that situation. KO and say a 5th rounder for a serviceable and quality WR now could help us because we have Urschel who has shown that he can step in and play (and play well). We still have Jensen behind him who can add depth at G /C. We would answer a need for now and for the future and mitigate a future loss and manage a cap space problem allowing us to sign Yanda , Upshaw, Tucker and some others that we will be trying to manage next year! Now the question is who would be the takers? I think that a young team like JAX or TAMPA who is building and needs to protect a franchise QB. They both (and JAX) in particular has some young talent at that position. IDK.... without naming names.... I think this could be a win / win (albeit a rare move in the NFL)!

[The Mom Gene]

People like Young shouldn't be allowed to do the Ray Dance... Mainly, because Steve Young sucks at it.

[steelcityraven]

I have said this all year.... and I still don't know that I get why we are not trying to implement more two TE sets. We are struggling finding weapons in the passing game right now and we are having trouble running the ball. Increased two TE sets could help in both of these areas. 1. We have good young talent at TE... and an extra big target to take some of the pressure off of Steve Smith couldn't hurt. 2. Another TE to help Hurst out a little could really open up a run game. 3. It would force Defenses to take an extra DB off of the field and add in a S or LB to help match up with the big bodied TE's. This should create more space for SSS and more importantly create mismatches for people like Campanaro and Marlon Brown to exploit that underneath routes. 4. Finally.... this would also allow Trestman the opportunity to utilize Juice and Forsett, etc out of the backfield more by keeping the opposing Safties honest and occupied in the seam. (Something that Trestman did well in Chicago was utilize Matt Forte out of the backfield). Why not adjust and play to our strength, instead of trying to force a square peg into a round hole.... we need to be more pliable to get the most out of our personal and this seems to be just one way of allowing us to get a little more out of our attributes.

[OzzieBisciotti]

6 players that give you hope? I noticed no one from the secondary was part of the 6 players- that's troublesome, esp coming from baltimoreravens.com

[riseNConquer81]

there arent enough corners, receivers, or offensive tackles on that list.

[RavensBaltimore]

The article mentions that there is "no speed, athleticism, or separation from defenders." That is true, and Brown and Aiken aren't going to suddenly get faster or more athletic, so there is no point in wondering if and/or when they are going to step up. Maybe it can happen against a bad secondary, but against good corners, they can be shut down easily. I really don't understand why Campanaro hasn't been given more opportunities. He made plays last year when he was on the field, and he converted a huge 3rd and 10 that set up our go-ahead TD. He is quicker and is better at getting separation than Brown and Aiken by far. We should give Camp more snaps, and we need Perriman to come back and be at full strength at some point in the next few weeks. Maybe the TEs can continue to develop and improve as well, but Brown and Aiken are not suddenly going to get significantly better.

[DonnieRaven]

payers in the secondary need to start making BIG PLAYS and fast

[rmcjacket23]

I disagree. Besides, can anyone look more "awkward" than the other options we are using, in addition to a statue of a QB looking like he's never done this before, who stares down his receivers on every passing down?? I say play the guy, especially in the red zone. So, following your twisted logic, the Ravens are just wasting a roster spot by keeping his "raw and awkward" self on the roster. Yeah.

Sort of, yeah. I'm still asking why he's active on gameday to begin with. He appears to be on ST the whole time, which is quite the indicator of where he is on the WR depth chart, considering the people that are paid significant money to evaluate talent think he isn't as good as Marlon Brown, who I agree isn't good either.

 

The funny thing is... most would have a problem coming up with many, if any, examples where teams just threw jump balls to tall players who haven't proven that they are talented players elsewhere on the field. 

 

I would think that you'd probably see more INTs and incompletions on red zone jump balls thrown to Darren Waller than you would TD receptions.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Maxx Williams will pan out nicely eventually, he's on the right path. Gilmore already has and hopefully, we'll see him play against the Steelers, he has the right kind of attitude for the match-up. Though he hasn't shined this season, Marlon Brown ain't a lost cause, give him more snaps, let us see whether he can capitalize on that.

 

Gillmore had a critical first down against Denver.  He had 2 TD's against Oakland.  I believe he would of had a good day against Cincy had he not left the game with a calf injury, which is why we saw Boyle and Williams sharing snaps.  

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Sort of, yeah. I'm still asking why he's active on gameday to begin with. He appears to be on ST the whole time, which is quite the indicator of where he is on the WR depth chart, considering the people that are paid significant money to evaluate talent think he isn't as good as Marlon Brown, who I agree isn't good either.

 

The funny thing is... most would have a problem coming up with many, if any, examples where teams just threw jump balls to tall players who haven't proven that they are talented players elsewhere on the field. 

 

I would think that you'd probably see more INTs and incompletions on red zone jump balls thrown to Darren Waller than you would TD receptions.

 

With the way Flacco has been throwing the jump ball I would venture to say it doesn't matter who is in the end zone trying to catch, if it's under thrown it's a pick and that's what Joe's been throwing a lot of this year.