2016 DB Prospect Thread

[GrimCoconut]

Not sure id want that. We need a high talent guy right now. I really think we need a game changer on defense like bosa, ramsey or hargreaves. I actually wouldnt mind us using our comp picks which we can use to trade and get back in the first for a late pick and get Leonard floyd or a left tackle if any available and maybe another corner in the second like king or kendall fuller. At this point i think we need some playmakers on defense who can force turnovers, we have nobody feared on our defense like weve had in years past with lewis, reed and suggs. We need to find our new cornerstone in my eyes

I really think highly of Ogbah but I find his stock tough to guess..it's also possible we could do that trade and still get Ramsey with our first round pick and maybe even trade up for Ogbah with our original pick and take King with our additional second round pick.

[ravensnation5220]

I really think highly of Ogbah but I find his stock tough to guess..it's also possible we could do that trade and still get Ramsey with our first round pick and maybe even trade up for Ogbah with our original pick and take King with our additional second round pick.

Idk how i feel about ogbah, havent seen a lot of film on him but i do know he has a very high pass rush productivity from pff but i dont think its been against anyone good, the big 12 seems to be a weak conference so its tough to tell but he kinda reminds me of odigizua from last year, i dont think we need that type of player at olb, we need a situational pass rusher who can mold from doom and suggs, i would prefer leonard floyd because i feel he is more pure getting to the qb and a fluid athlete who can cover tight ends. I feel his versatility can be useful although i am worried about his weight hes listed at 220-235 but it doesnt seem to hurt him against the run. I have seen goergia line him up as a ILB a lot this season on 1st and 2nd down and put him on the edge on passing downs

[allblackraven]

Idk how i feel about ogbah, havent seen a lot of film on him but i do know he has a very high pass rush productivity from pff but i dont think its been against anyone good, the big 12 seems to be a weak conference so its tough to tell but he kinda reminds me of odigizua from last year, i dont think we need that type of player at olb, we need a situational pass rusher who can mold from doom and suggs, i would prefer leonard floyd because i feel he is more pure getting to the qb and a fluid athlete who can cover tight ends. I feel his versatility can be useful although i am worried about his weight hes listed at 220-235 but it doesnt seem to hurt him against the run. I have seen goergia line him up as a ILB a lot this season on 1st and 2nd down and put him on the edge on passing downs

Ogbah is similar to Suggs and much better fit for our D than Floyd. Top of Big12 seems to be doing well, too.

[GrimCoconut]

Idk how i feel about ogbah, havent seen a lot of film on him but i do know he has a very high pass rush productivity from pff but i dont think its been against anyone good, the big 12 seems to be a weak conference so its tough to tell but he kinda reminds me of odigizua from last year, i dont think we need that type of player at olb, we need a situational pass rusher who can mold from doom and suggs, i would prefer leonard floyd because i feel he is more pure getting to the qb and a fluid athlete who can cover tight ends. I feel his versatility can be useful although i am worried about his weight hes listed at 220-235 but it doesnt seem to hurt him against the run. I have seen goergia line him up as a ILB a lot this season on 1st and 2nd down and put him on the edge on passing downs

I disagree on Ogbah and Floyd. Ogbah isn't much like OO. If anything, he's more like Chandler Jones. I don't like Floyd much.

[DomMcRaven]

I don't think it would be a bad idea to rely on Will Davis. He looked really good in limited time and I think he can be a good #3. I know we need a CB but I would at least hope Jimmy resurging would help us at the very least. I think Jalen Ramsey would just be such a healer for this secondary.

Yeah, but I just hope he (Davis) doesn't become Melvin 2.0. Really liked what I saw from him before his injury. 

Edited November 20, 2015 by DomMcRaven

[GrimCoconut]

Bored with studying and took time off to watch a lot of snaps that focused on Desmond King I hadn't watched before. I have to say that he's a very raw CB and needs a bit of work. He plays the WR too much and doesn't play the ball unless he's in off-man coverage. I think I actually like him better as a safety. He has good ball skills, he just doesn't look for the ball and that's a problem for me. I have a 3rd-4th round grade on him after watching more complete games and getting a larger sample size. He's not worth a 1st round pick or even a high 2nd round pick at this point. 

[January J]

Bored with studying and took time off to watch a lot of snaps that focused on Desmond King I hadn't watched before. I have to say that he's a very raw CB and needs a bit of work. He plays the WR too much and doesn't play the ball unless he's in off-man coverage. I think I actually like him better as a safety. He has good ball skills, he just doesn't look for the ball and that's a problem for me. I have a 3rd-4th round grade on him after watching more complete games and getting a larger sample size. He's not worth a 1st round pick or even a high 2nd round pick at this point.

yeah I'm extremely sick of having Dbs that don't look for the ball.

[thieverycorporation]

I disagree on Ogbah and Floyd. Ogbah isn't much like OO. If anything, he's more like Chandler Jones. I don't like Floyd much.

Who are your off the radar targets no mentioned you have interest in. Any small school or 2nd stringers. I looking to expand my film study. I trying to look at a bigger picture much like what the ravens may do. I don't like being surprised. If the Ravens do covet someone I'm not familiar with. Any positions would be great.

Edited November 20, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[PurpleCity5]

I've watched the safeties more than the CBs and I honestly have to say this is an impressive safety class. There are plenty of guys I really like for this team. I can't say the same for the CB class. I think its a quality class, but this safety class is just better from Top to Bottom. Hargreaves is clearly the best CB in this draft and I don't see anyone who comes close to him after that. I think Ramsey is the clear cut best safety in this class but after him I feel like there are some safeties who can become future pro bowlers. Guys like Vonn Bell, Darian Thompson and Jeremy Cash have really stood out to me. 

[GrimCoconut]

Who are your off the radar targets no mentioned you have interest in. Any small school or 2nd stringers. I looking to expand my film study. I trying to look at a bigger picture much like what the ravens may do. I don't like being surprised. If the Ravens do covet someone I'm not familiar with. Any positions would be great.

I'll get back with you. I haven't had time like I normally do to look at small school prospects. 

[GrimCoconut]

I've watched the safeties more than the CBs and I honestly have to say this is an impressive safety class. There are plenty of guys I really like for this team. I can't say the same for the CB class. I think its a quality class, but this safety class is just better from Top to Bottom. Hargreaves is clearly the best CB in this draft and I don't see anyone who comes close to him after that. I think Ramsey is the clear cut best safety in this class but after him I feel like there are some safeties who can become future pro bowlers. Guys like Vonn Bell, Darian Thompson and Jeremy Cash have really stood out to me. 

I can't say enough how much I like Vonn Bell. Man, he's so good.

 

If you think Ramsey is a good CB then he counts and he's a fine CB. I like Fuller and Sutton a lot. They're both really talented players. I do think there's a steep drop-off after Hargreaves, but a much steeper one after guys like Fuller and Sutton.

[JoeyFlex5]

Idk how i feel about ogbah, havent seen a lot of film on him but i do know he has a very high pass rush productivity from pff but i dont think its been against anyone good, the big 12 seems to be a weak conference so its tough to tell but he kinda reminds me of odigizua from last year, i dont think we need that type of player at olb, we need a situational pass rusher who can mold from doom and suggs, i would prefer leonard floyd because i feel he is more pure getting to the qb and a fluid athlete who can cover tight ends. I feel his versatility can be useful although i am worried about his weight hes listed at 220-235 but it doesnt seem to hurt him against the run. I have seen goergia line him up as a ILB a lot this season on 1st and 2nd down and put him on the edge on passing downs

floyd wouldnt have a place in our defense, ogbah would be the catalyst for the next generation of defensive greatness. he is the absolute prototype for what we look for in a starting OLB, the only player that ive seen as a more perfect fit to replace suggs would have been khalil mack, i think ogbah is the next best thing but i think his value is lesser, a 10-15 guy.

[PurpleCity5]

I can't say enough how much I like Vonn Bell. Man, he's so good.

 

If you think Ramsey is a good CB then he counts and he's a fine CB. I like Fuller and Sutton a lot. They're both really talented players. I do think there's a steep drop-off after Hargreaves, but a much steeper one after guys like Fuller and Sutton.

Yeah, Bell and Thompson both are guys I think can be really good players. I'm not a big fan of some CBs after Hargreaves, that I will say. 

[thieverycorporation]

I'll get back with you. I haven't had time like I normally do to look at small school prospects. 

Thanks Grim. I getting a little bored discussing the same topic's. A gleamer of something new to look at will doing my wondering mind some food. I still am really hoping to see some freshness during the games. Just hoping they insert somebody we aren't accustomed to watching. New packages. Any damn thing. lol 

 

Don't work to hard.

[Clmraven]

Bored with studying and took time off to watch a lot of snaps that focused on Desmond King I hadn't watched before. I have to say that he's a very raw CB and needs a bit of work. He plays the WR too much and doesn't play the ball unless he's in off-man coverage. I think I actually like him better as a safety. He has good ball skills, he just doesn't look for the ball and that's a problem for me. I have a 3rd-4th round grade on him after watching more complete games and getting a larger sample size. He's not worth a 1st round pick or even a high 2nd round pick at this point.

I just got around to watching more of him and I agree I'm seeing him as a mid to late 3rd rounder, he allows too much separation in man coverage and he gets really grabby on deep throws and QB scrambles, and i like him as a safety better as well he takes good angles and is a pretty solid tackler for the most part.

[GrimCoconut]

I just got around to watching more of him and I agree I'm seeing him as a mid to late 3rd rounder, he allows too much separation in man coverage and he gets really grabby on deep throws and QB scrambles, and i like him as a safety better as well he takes good angles and is a pretty solid tackler for the most part.

Yep. That's what I saw as well. He looked good in the two games I saw, but when I really analyzed him I came away unimpressed and felt he was a better fit as a safety than CB. It's a shame, really. He has some nice potential but I can't stand it when I see a CB not look for the ball.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

King and Sanchez are my guys as far as not getting enough buzz

[GrimCoconut]

King and Sanchez are my guys as far as not getting enough buzz

I like Sanchez a lot. King just doesn't look like a good CB. I do like him as a safety, but he's more of a 3rd or 4th round guy for me.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think King has the athleticism and instincts to be a pretty darn good prospect FS. Sanchez, on the other hand, seems to be a guy that you can match up on someone and jam them in man coverage for most of the day

[Baltimore RAYvens]

Add Karl Joseph to my list of guys I want to see in a Ravens uniform

[PurpleCity5]

This safety class is insanely stacked.

[Dubs]

Agreed Darian Thompson, tops my wish list for the mid rounds. It was amazing how much our better our D was last game as we forced three turnovers against the Rams...we need these type of Turnovers. Thompson consistently has done this with 5 INTs this year, 7 as a Jr., 4 as a Soph. and 3 as a fr.

[PurpleCity5]

Agreed Darian Thompson, tops my wish list for the mid rounds. It was amazing how much our better our D was last game as we forced three turnovers against the Rams...we need these type of Turnovers. Thompson consistently has done this with 5 INTs this year, 7 as a Jr., 4 as a Soph. and 3 as a fr.

Yeah man hes a playmaker. I'm impressed with how he breaks on the ball and his instincts. He's the real deal as well.

[January J]

We need ballhawks! I could almost count the amount of interceptions we've had the last few years on one hand... And several of them have been from the o line ! Turnovers win games.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, I echo those comments above. Ramsey, Bell and Thompson are at the top of my list. Karl Joseph is another great option.

Edited November 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[PurpleCity5]

We need ballhawks! I could almost count the amount of interceptions we've had the last few years on one hand... And several of them have been from the o line ! Turnovers win games.

Trust me, Thompson and Bell are ballhawks.

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah, I echo those comments above. Ramsey, Bell and Thompson are at the top of my list. Karl Joseph is another great option.

I gotta look into Joseph. I heard good things about him.

[January J]

Trust me, Thompson and Bell are ballhawks.

il have to check them out. I absolutely cannot wait until springtime.

[PurpleCity5]

il have to check them out. I absolutely cannot wait until springtime.

You definitely should. Im a fan of both of them myself and would be happy with either.

Edited November 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Xmadraven]

Jalen ramsey is the S to want...He's a top 10 talent and I'm not a massive fan of safetys going top 10 unless they're ed reed. I'll take a higher position of value thanks, CB is  a need but not worth a top 10 pick cause of Webb,Smith etc. 2nd round yes. first no