2016 DB Prospect Thread

[RavensFanMania]

Honestly, if we're deciding between Hargreaves and Ramsey, I'm going with VHIII every time. I like both a lot, and I don't like how small VHIII is, but he's a really talented CB.

That's a tough call.  Sure CB is a much higher regarded position than FS, but the versatility that Ramsey brings to the table.  He can play both FS and CB.   I think I'd take RAmsey at this point, but would be happy with either one. 

[PurpleCity5]

That's a tough call. Sure CB is a much higher regarded position than FS, but the versatility that Ramsey brings to the table. He can play both FS and CB. I think I'd take RAmsey at this point, but would be happy with either one.

I think Hargreaves is a bit better overall and def. the better CB. I love Ramsey as a safety though, I think he would solve so much problems that we have, not to mention FS is our biggest need. I love Hargreaves game and I think he can be an elite CB. I honestly think I'd pick Ramsey due to need but if we do something with FS then give me Hargreaves all day.

[Clmraven]

I'm a fan of Ramsey and Hargreaves, I still like VH a bit better though I mean look at the Broncos right now they have 3 good corners and an above average safety in Darian Stewart, and a strong safety with below average coverage skills and they are the best defense in the league by a wide margin. Plus even if we or any other team did draft Ramsey who says they are gonna put him back at safety? They could leave him at corner and he could end up struggling.

[RaineV1]

I mentioned him in the never too early thread, but this thread would probably be more fitting. If the Ravens don't go DB in the first, I'd love for them to get Deon Bush in the 2nd. He's solid in coverage, fast, and hits like freight train. He has a knack for creating turnovers (fumbles more so than interceptions), which is exactly what the Ravens' defense is missing. Also, he plays with real confidence. He has that swagger you want from a top defender.

 

On top of that, it'd just be kinda awesome to see the Ravens' defense get patched up with a top prospect from the University of Miami again.

[Culpepper]

Here's some good DB rankings: http://goo.gl/rup3Rf

Only thing I disagree with is I'd have Ramsey over Cash.

[Inqui]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about LSU's Jalen Mills. I liked him last year and he's looking good again today.

[thieverycorporation]

I mentioned him in the never too early thread, but this thread would probably be more fitting. If the Ravens don't go DB in the first, I'd love for them to get Deon Bush in the 2nd. He's solid in coverage, fast, and hits like freight train. He has a knack for creating turnovers (fumbles more so than interceptions), which is exactly what the Ravens' defense is missing. Also, he plays with real confidence. He has that swagger you want from a top defender.

 

On top of that, it'd just be kinda awesome to see the Ravens' defense get patched up with a top prospect from the University of Miami again.

I'll check him out.Thanks.

[thieverycorporation]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about LSU's Jalen Mills. I liked him last year and he's looking good again today.

It's still early so we will. I'm sure. Dude is playmaker and plays solid coverage.

[thieverycorporation]

I'm a fan of Ramsey and Hargreaves, I still like VH a bit better though I mean look at the Broncos right now they have 3 good corners and an above average safety in Darian Stewart, and a strong safety with below average coverage skills and they are the best defense in the league by a wide margin. Plus even if we or any other team did draft Ramsey who says they are gonna put him back at safety? They could leave him at corner and he could end up struggling.

But the two position capabilities would be an asset given our db's in ability to stay healthy. Plug in play type has to be the focal point in the first round. He's shown the ability to grasp the technical aspect of those positions. And do the well. I'm really praying for a real evaluation of our first rounder. Perriman's situation has lessened my confidence. Ozzie's taking a tackle in the top five so I hope we're not in that slot. Detroit is almost certain to tank because of the purge we are witnessing.

Edited November 8, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[BmoreBird22]

I'm gonna take VHIII over Ramsey every day for two reasons. 

 

1. Hargreaves is probably the most technically sound and clean corner we've ever seen come out, capable of playing man or zone, and is probably the best zone cover corner in the entire draft. He's incredible. 

 

2. This safety class is very strong. Missing out on Ramsey doesn't mean a starter can't be found later. However, missing out on a corner in round one or the early second could prove very costly. 

[RaineV1]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more talk about LSU's Jalen Mills. I liked him last year and he's looking good again today.

I'd probably rank Mills as the second best FS in this draft. It'd go Ramsey, Mills, Bush. Any of them would be a good addition to the Ravens.

[Inqui]

I'd probably rank Mills as the second best FS in this draft. It'd go Ramsey, Mills, Bush. Any of them would be a good addition to the Ravens.

Yeah, I was just thinking that. For all the talk of how the safety prospects have dried up recently, there are some decent ones coming up. I haven't looked into him yet, but for now I'm taking Grim's word that Bell is a good one too (got a pick six today).

 

And if in doubt, always bet on the DB coming out of LSU.

[ravefan52]

I'm gonna take VHIII over Ramsey every day for two reasons.

1. Hargreaves is probably the most technically sound and clean corner we've ever seen come out, capable of playing man or zone, and is probably the best zone cover corner in the entire draft. He's incredible.

2. This safety class is very strong. Missing out on Ramsey doesn't mean a starter can't be found later. However, missing out on a corner in round one or the early second could prove very costly.

Yes, agreed. I really like Ramsey, but Hargreaves is an elite prospect. He is already so good. He and a healthier Jimmy Smith together would be a great tandem.

[BmoreBird22]

Yes, agreed. I really like Ramsey, but Hargreaves is an elite prospect. He is already so good. He and a healthier Jimmy Smith together would be a great tandem.

I understand the desire for an elite free safety after how it was with Reed, but it can be done without one. Denver is getting it done with Baltimore's cast off.

[PurpleCity5]

I understand the desire for an elite free safety after how it was with Reed, but it can be done without one. Denver is getting it done with Baltimore's cast off.

That's exactly how I feel. You don't need to field an elite FS to have a great secondary, it helps surely. I def. won't downplay the need at FS, we need one badly and after watching Ed for so long I can appreciate what an elite FS can do. However, after watching these CBs I realize how important it is to have not only depth but good CBs overall. If you ask me I'd rather have a good FS-Elite CBs rather than an elite FS-good CBs. I mean, just look at Denver. 

Edited November 8, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[BmoreBird22]

That's exactly how I feel. You don't need to field an elite FS to have a great secondary, it helps surely. I def. won't downplay the need at FS, we need one badly and after watching Ed for so long I can appreciate what an elite FS can do. However, after watching these CBs I realize how important it is to have not only depth but good CBs overall. If you ask me I'd rather have a good FS-Elite CBs rather than an elite FS-good CBs. I mean, just look at Denver.

Unless that free safety is Ed Reed, there is only so much ground that guy can cover and make up. They aren't all going to be able to cover every single mistake that will be made in the same way that Ed did

[PurpleCity5]

Unless that free safety is Ed Reed, there is only so much ground that guy can cover and make up. They aren't all going to be able to cover every single mistake that will be made in the same way that Ed did

Yeah man, Ed was truly amazing. 

What we really need badly is a pass rush. If we have CBs who can cover for a good 3-4 secs. than that's enough time for a pass rush. Elite CBs who can do that can really take you far. At least we have a guy who we know can play elite football, Jimmy Smith, he just needs to get to 100%, now its time to find another CB who ball. 

[Cillmatic]

Unless that free safety is Ed Reed, there is only so much ground that guy can cover and make up. They aren't all going to be able to cover every single mistake that will be made in the same way that Ed did

Will a Ramsey do?

[BmoreBird22]

Will a Ramsey do?

I haven't watched too much of him yet

[Cillmatic]

Well, Antonio Brown just got THREE HUNDRED SIX yards today and Josh Gordon will be back next season. something tells me we draft a DB in the first round. I'll look into Hargreaves again.

[Maryland]

I understand the desire for an elite free safety after how it was with Reed, but it can be done without one. Denver is getting it done with Baltimore's cast off.

Yeah, but those cast-off safeties have a beastly pass rush creating plays for them. 

 

And TJ Ward is a pretty good safety. Darian Stewart is playing much better than he did /w Ravens, he's really not bad. And even their #3 safety Bruton looks like a pretty good player. These guys aren't scrubs. 

 

I guess my point is that we could stand to draft a FS as much as many other positions. 

 

/And to be clear, I like VHIII marginally more than Ramsey simply because he seems like a sure thing, cannot possibly bust. 

Edited November 9, 2015 by Maryland

[JoeyFlex5]

ive been HARD on the ramsey bandwagon, but lately ive been thinking more highly of hargreaves as our pick. 

 

he seems like he should be the safer pick, what if ramsey is a penalty machine or turns out to not be as rangy as he appears to be in college? these are concerns that simply arent there with hargreaves. i still think ramsey brings more value to the table, but there are very slight risks with ramsey and there are simply no risks with hargreaves.. i havent jumped on the hargreaves wagon yet but i am more torn on the selection than i have been in the past. 

[Inqui]

ive been HARD on the ramsey bandwagon, but lately ive been thinking more highly of hargreaves as our pick. 

 

he seems like he should be the safer pick, what if ramsey is a penalty machine or turns out to not be as rangy as he appears to be in college? these are concerns that simply arent there with hargreaves. i still think ramsey brings more value to the table, but there are very slight risks with ramsey and there are simply no risks with hargreaves.. i havent jumped on the hargreaves wagon yet but i am more torn on the selection than i have been in the past. 

I love Ramsey, but I don't want to commit to one guy until at least after our season finishes and we know where we're picking. And even then, I'll probably change my mind at least once. Things are always in a state of flux, and the college season hasn't even ended yet.

[PurpleCity5]

A guy not many people seem to talk about is Darian Thompson. I'd like to have him in the 2nd round. 

[JoeyFlex5]

what do you guys think of jalen mills from LSU and where do you think his stock lies? 

 

if we were to trade back, and get another 2nd round pick, i would be all for taking him in the mid 2nd, i see a starting caliber safety in him, hes no ramsey, not even close, but we could do ourselves alot of favors by finding a way to add him to the team without compromising our value philosophies, i think he would help shore up the deep ball defense quite a bit, hes rangy, athletic, instinctive, and he seems like a bright kid. 

 

also, if this leg injury can knock him into the 3rd, i think its a no brainer. 

[Cillmatic]

what do you guys think of jalen mills from LSU and where do you think his stock lies?

if we were to trade back, and get another 2nd round pick, i would be all for taking him in the mid 2nd, i see a starting caliber safety in him, hes no ramsey, not even close, but we could do ourselves alot of favors by finding a way to add him to the team without compromising our value philosophies, i think he would help shore up the deep ball defense quite a bit, hes rangy, athletic, instinctive, and he seems like a bright kid.

also, if this leg injury can knock him into the 3rd, i think its a no brainer.

He hit allegedly hit a woman. The Ravens aren't even LOOKING at him.

[PurpleCity5]

I want Ramsey so bad. He would be such a great addition for us. At the same time Hargreaves would add in a play-maker at CB which we need. I don't care who it is, give me either of me. 

Edited November 16, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

He hit allegedly hit a woman. The Ravens aren't even LOOKING at him.

oh dagg, first hearing about this. well nevermind then.

[GrimCoconut]

what do you guys think of jalen mills from LSU and where do you think his stock lies?

if we were to trade back, and get another 2nd round pick, i would be all for taking him in the mid 2nd, i see a starting caliber safety in him, hes no ramsey, not even close, but we could do ourselves alot of favors by finding a way to add him to the team without compromising our value philosophies, i think he would help shore up the deep ball defense quite a bit, hes rangy, athletic, instinctive, and he seems like a bright kid.

also, if this leg injury can knock him into the 3rd, i think its a no brainer.

I like Mills but yeah, not sure how this DV issue affects him with us and other teams. I'd rather get Bell. Have you watched him?

[GrimCoconut]

I want Ramsey so bad. He would be such a great addition for us. At the same time Hargreaves would add in a play-maker at CB which we need. I don't care who it is, give me either of me.

I think there's less drop off after Ramsey than Hargreaves, but I don't care either way. We've seen elite FS make average CB look good (Reed, Thomas), so I can see this argument go either way. I don't care, personally--just give me the best playmaker.