2016 DB Prospect Thread

[Mt. Crushmore]

29 minutes ago, Purple&Black said:

I think most of us are in agreement that we don't want a tackle in the first?

Depends whats happens with Eugene Monroe 

[rmw10]

9 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Depends whats happens with Eugene Monroe 

And KO.

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Depends whats happens with Eugene Monroe 

Yep, if Monroe is out before the draft, I am back on Stanley bandwagon big time, even if we keep KO.

[RaineV1]

I'd rather have Alexander, Spence, or Buckner in the first rather than Stanley, even with Monroe being a problem. Stanley isn't a bad pick by any stretch, but some others having higher ceilings in my opinion. I think there's decent value at the tackle position in the second and third rounds. Or maybe they resign KO, keep him at tackle, and then focus on improving the interior line.

And on thread topic, I still think Alexander will be the best DB in this draft.

Edited January 31, 2016 by RaineV1

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I'd rather have Alexander, Spence, or Buckner in the first rather than Stanley, even with Monroe being a problem. Stanley isn't a bad pick by any stretch, but some others having higher ceilings in my opinion. I think there's decent value at the tackle position in the second and third rounds. Or maybe they resign KO, keep him at tackle, and then focus on improving the interior line.

And on thread topic, I still think Alexander will be the best DB in this draft.

If K.O returns I think Monroe is simply gone. As far as DBs go, I think Alexander and Hargreaves(Who is starting to become insane underrated) are the two best cover CBs potentially. 

[JoeyFlex5]

So, how underrated is vh3 right now? Does he fall out of the top 10?

[RavensFanMania]

16 hours ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Depends whats happens with Eugene Monroe 

It also depends on if Tunsil happens to slip to number six.  If he does, I wouldn't hesitate to turn in the card and I doubt Ozzie would either.

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So, how underrated is vh3 right now? Does he fall out of the top 10?

I think he's becoming criminally underrated. I've seen him mocked out of the top 15 plenty of times. He's still really talented and two games(One of which is very overblown, the other in which he admittedly didn't play well in.) I still think he's top talent at CB, I personally would love to have him if we traded back. 

 

I think Pees and Frazier are two guys who will love Hargreaves. Pees would have a guy who can play man, zone and off-man coverage, while Frazier will have someone super refined and a play-maker. He still has plenty of time to make up for his drop. 

Edited January 31, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[RavensDieHard21]

On January 6, 2016 at 2:46 PM, sflegend89 said:

Finally got around to watching more game tape on the top DB's. (VH3, Ramsey Alexander)

 

Thoughts:

 

- VH3 struggled against the good WR's he faced which concerned me, had a lot more bad tape then I anticipated. Flashes of brilliance and super impressive athleticism but he got beat 1 on 1 the most out of all 3 of them. I see a lot of potential, I think he can mature some more physically and has the technical ability to be a really special player if he get's with the right coach and is groomed well. Definitely more of a project than a lot of people seem to perceive him as, the ability is certainly there but the issues against better WR's definitely worries me. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Alexander goes ahead of him, more on that later.

 

- Ramsey has some bad tape as well but when he's on, he's ON. There are some super impressive plays he makes that make you say "wow". Over aggressive at times and has some brain fart moments but damn can this kid play ball. When you look at the total package of size, speed, strength, and athleticism he's the most impressive of the bunch, definitely Patrick Peterson-esque in that regard. He can just flat out do things the other 2 can't do. The one hang up for me is where do you play him. He's a better corner than people seem to realize but definitely best utilized at FS. I don't buy the recycled line of "Doesn't have the range yada yada" when you put the time in and watch the game tape you can definitely envision him being a killer FS. I could also see him being used like Tyrann Mathieu, he's so good around the LOS that you don't want him to just be a traditional FS.

 

- Mackensie Alexander I was super impressed with, I think he's the best pure CB in the draft now. Very disciplined and rarely get's caught out of position. After watching the tape I really don't know how so many people think Hargreaves is better. Played very well against high level competition. QB's rarely even throw the ball his way and that perhaps is the sign of a true shutdown corner. Just so smooth in coverage, fluid hips, good back pedal, it's hard to find stuff to nit pick about his coverage in all honesty. Maybe not the athlete and all around specimen Ramsey is but he makes up for it with superior technique. If there's a an area of concern it's his physicality/tackling, the weakest of the 3 in that department. Whiffs on some tackles he should make, is easily blocked and taken out of plays... but considering he's a cover corner it's far from a deal breaker.

 

 

Conclusion:

 

- Alexander is the best pure corner

 

- Hard to say who is the better prospect between Alexander and Ramsey because Ramsey is so versatile and so gifted physically/athletically.

 

- VH3 may not be as impressive as the other 2 on tape but I still see what the hype is about, to me he's a bit of a project as far as top 5 players go but definitely has a high ceiling.

I was hoping someone posted about comparing the three corners! I watched Clemson all year and I'll say it now, Alexander is the best pure cover corner in this draft and a second place might not even be close. He is like glue on receivers and very very rarely gets tripped up or gets beat. If you watched the championship game, Alabama rarely tested him and he shut down his side of the field, but the moment he goes out, bombs away! I know many think #6 pick is a stretch, but if he does very well at the combine and the top 4--Tunsil, Bosa, Buckner, and Ramsey-- are gone, then I think we should deeply consider pulling the trigger 

[RavensDieHard21]

On January 23, 2016 at 10:23 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

This would be really interesting. 

SB Nation's Dan Kadar has the Ravens taking Mackensie Alexander and then Kendall Fuller in back to back rounds. It'd be similar to what the Packers did last year by taking two young defensive backs.

It infuses talent into the secondary, but we then pass on some nice pass rushers in the second.

[ngatainmyhouse]

16 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I was hoping someone posted about comparing the three corners! I watched Clemson all year and I'll say it now, Alexander is the best pure cover corner in this draft and a second place might not even be close. He is like glue on receivers and very very rarely gets tripped up or gets beat. If you watched the championship game, Alabama rarely tested him and he shut down his side of the field, but the moment he goes out, bombs away! I know many think #6 pick is a stretch, but if he does very well at the combine and the top 4--Tunsil, Bosa, Buckner, and Ramsey-- are gone, then I think we should deeply consider pulling the trigger 

Yea I'm glad Alexander's name got brought up again. I understand the fans, as well as the team, desire for playmakers but being a lockdown corner could help with turnovers. Darrelle Revis doesn't get as many interceptions because the ball isn't thrown his way even close to as much as the other corners. Also, if I think being able to stop teams from moving the chains is just as important as turnovers

[JO_75]

I know draft rumors are nothing but smoke screens, though this is something of note. The Cowboys draft board gets leaked each year and a report has come out saying Jalen Ramsey is number one on the Cowboys board.

If that's the case, he isn't making it to 6.

[RaineV1]

I figured that Cowboys would lean towards Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith. But I can't blame the Cowboys for leaning towards Jamsey. Even with Romo hurt, they're biggest reason for the bad season was their defense.

[L.A.Ravens]

William Jackson lll CB from Houston would be a steal if we get him with our 3rd round pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

What corner falls to our 3rd pick? Between burns and Jackson I think Jackson nay have the best chance because I think burns will light up the combine, but I'm not really sure Jackson falls there either. I think if we want a starting cb we may have to just take vh3 in the first, I think fuller may go late first and even if he doesn't I still like Boyd in the 2nd and I like a ton of potential fallers over fuller by quite a bit.

[thieverycorporation]

15 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

I figured that Cowboys would lean towards Myles Jack or Jaylon Smith. But I can't blame the Cowboys for leaning towards Jamsey. Even with Romo hurt, they're biggest reason for the bad season was their defense.

The Cowboys like whichever player(S) we like every year. Jerry Jones is a tool. He's uses our draft preferences as his bench mark. It's a pattern in the first. His money has direct influence in the marketing and building of stadiums and deals for other regarding policy. (He prowess in the draft its seems) he mocks to successful teams mocks. My opinion only. 

Edited February 12, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[JoeyFlex5]

Could anyone give me a reason why darian thompson isn't a first rounder? He is an absolute stud ballhawk. He looks like he obviously is a film junkie, very high iq, great pre snap, great diagnosing, knows when to stick to his job and when to make a play, he jumps routes like he was in the huddle with the offense, and his picks aren't just from bad throws, this boy is a real deal ballhawking safety and he is what we are missing on the back end. He may be the guy im now campaigning for in the second round

[GrimCoconut]

On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 3:17 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Could anyone give me a reason why darian thompson isn't a first rounder? He is an absolute stud ballhawk. He looks like he obviously is a film junkie, very high iq, great pre snap, great diagnosing, knows when to stick to his job and when to make a play, he jumps routes like he was in the huddle with the offense, and his picks aren't just from bad throws, this boy is a real deal ballhawking safety and he is what we are missing on the back end. He may be the guy im now campaigning for in the second round

Thompson is a good prospect. I've had him as a high second, borderline first round pick depending on his combine for some time and agree with you for the most part. One issue I have is he doesn't look exceptionally athletic and seems to gamble at times and that's led to him giving up big plays. I'm also not a big Boise State fan since their prospects rarely work out. 

[Clmraven]

Call me crazy but id rather try to grab Kevin Byard in the 4th or 5th than Darian Thompson in the 2nd, Byard looks the part of a deep roaming safety and ball hawk, similar to Thompson, he's not a great athlete but makes up for it with his instincts and recognition. He could be a real sleeper and with him not being invited to the combine that might actually help us if we want him in the later rounds.

[Jacquouille]

On 13/2/2016 at 9:17 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Could anyone give me a reason why darian thompson isn't a first rounder? He is an absolute stud ballhawk. He looks like he obviously is a film junkie, very high iq, great pre snap, great diagnosing, knows when to stick to his job and when to make a play, he jumps routes like he was in the huddle with the offense, and his picks aren't just from bad throws, this boy is a real deal ballhawking safety and he is what we are missing on the back end. He may be the guy im now campaigning for in the second round

I remember when you were telling me Thompson with our 2nd was a reach, feels satisfying to see you saying that now  

 

Also, I was wondering, is there any chance that Apple falls to us in the 2nd? If not, would you rather have Fuller or Will Jackson III?

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I remember when you were telling me Thompson with our 2nd was a reach, feels satisfying to see you saying that now  

 

Also, I was wondering, is there any chance that Apple falls to us in the 2nd? If not, would you rather have Fuller or Will Jackson III?

I thought he lacked athleticism which I still believe but he has plenty of range and the smarts to practically run routes with receivers, and he has ball skills and wingspan to match up any wr in the NFL. 

 

And I may be in the minority but I really like Jackson and I'm not so big on fuller.

[cushrinada1986]

That burns kid from Miami would be a great backup plan if Ramsey isnt available:

 

As with Ramsey, Burns also has Safety experience and is a press cover player but has speed to play outside as well.

Edited February 16, 2016 by cushrinada1986

[Jacquouille]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I thought he lacked athleticism which I still believe but he has plenty of range and the smarts to practically run routes with receivers, and he has ball skills and wingspan to match up any wr in the NFL. 

 

And I may be in the minority but I really like Jackson and I'm not so big on fuller.

Then we agree on both points. 

As for Thompson, I don't think athleticism is that big of a problem when you're a safety and you have his vision and intelligence. Weddle doesn't have superb athleticism if you ask me, and yet is a top5, maybe top3 at his position. Thompson is the center fielder type, always ready to jump routes and excellent when it comes to predicting the play. I'm just starting to see him mocked as a first rounder, and believing he'll be gone before we can even consider taking him.

As for Jackson and Fuller, every tape I watched of Fuller he got burnt. I'm higher on Jackson as well.

[Clmraven]

31 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Then we agree on both points. 

As for Thompson, I don't think athleticism is that big of a problem when you're a safety and you have his vision and intelligence. Weddle doesn't have superb athleticism if you ask me, and yet is a top5, maybe top3 at his position. Thompson is the center fielder type, always ready to jump routes and excellent when it comes to predicting the play. I'm just starting to see him mocked as a first rounder, and believing he'll be gone before we can even consider taking him.

As for Jackson and Fuller, every tape I watched of Fuller he got burnt. I'm higher on Jackson as well.

Gonna have to disagree on that, Weddle was a really good athlete coming out of college with 4.48 40 and 1.43 10 yard split which I think is one of, if not the best in combine history, I'm not trying to knock Thompson because I like him okay, but he's not the athlete Weddle was or is right now.

[Jacquouille]

2 minutes ago, Clmraven said:

Gonna have to disagree on that, Weddle was a really good athlete coming out of college with 4.48 40 and 1.43 10 yard split which I think is one of, if not the best in combine history, I'm not trying to knock Thompson because I like him okay, but he's not the athlete Weddle was or is right now.

'kay, guess I was wrong then, but his athleticism didn't jump on me, on the rare occasions I got to watch him. I'll have to rewatch then, but anyway, it's not like Thompson isn't a good athlete, it's just not his forte. He will put up very decent numbers, I'm pretty optimistic on that.

[RaineV1]

I think Darian Thompson does have a decent shot of going late in the 1st. I could see the Steelers, Bengals, or Panthers grabbing him. I'm pretty sure some safety will go in the late 1st, and it could be him.

Edited February 16, 2016 by RaineV1

[Batcerb]

Hi all - first time post! 

 

Another DB that might be worth looking at in later rounds could be Deiondre Hall. Has played both safety and corner, looks like he has a nack for interceptions and pick 6's.

 

[GrimCoconut]

On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Clmraven said:

Call me crazy but id rather try to grab Kevin Byard in the 4th or 5th than Darian Thompson in the 2nd, Byard looks the part of a deep roaming safety and ball hawk, similar to Thompson, he's not a great athlete but makes up for it with his instincts and recognition. He could be a real sleeper and with him not being invited to the combine that might actually help us if we want him in the later rounds.

Nope. I mocked him to us and I agree with you! Byard really impressed me when I went to watch him. He's got some real time potential. People are sleeping on him but I think he'll surprise.

[allblackraven]

On 15/02/2016 at 0:01 PM, Clmraven said:

Call me crazy but id rather try to grab Kevin Byard in the 4th or 5th than Darian Thompson in the 2nd, Byard looks the part of a deep roaming safety and ball hawk, similar to Thompson, he's not a great athlete but makes up for it with his instincts and recognition. He could be a real sleeper and with him not being invited to the combine that might actually help us if we want him in the later rounds.

 

2 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

Nope. I mocked him to us and I agree with you! Byard really impressed me when I went to watch him. He's got some real time potential. People are sleeping on him but I think he'll surprise.

I remember Byard from Alabama game last season - picked off Coker's atrocious pass, then got ejected for targeting (more than questionable call). Had a decent game otherwise - had to clean up lot of mess in run defense and stopped Henry and Drake few times from making even more yards. He definitely looked out of place in that Middle Tennessee team - as in, real football player.

[Mt. Crushmore]

20 hours ago, Batcerb said:

Hi all - first time post! 

 

Another DB that might be worth looking at in later rounds could be Deiondre Hall. Has played both safety and corner, looks like he has a nack for interceptions and pick 6's.

 

Crazy long arms