2016 DB Prospect Thread

[BmoreBird22]

with all that said on done... I hope he has a weak combine. Cause Spence, Jaylon Smith, and Fuller would make me do cartwheels.

I can't even see him being there in the second, but that's the only time I'd be okay passing on a corner

[January J]

Unfortunately the one game I really evaluated vh3 was his game against Michigan which happened to be arguably his worst. This has caused me to go extremely sour on him. That being said I'd be thrilled to have him. Shoot I'd be thrilled to have him, Ramsey, Alexander, buckner, stanley, Treadwell, Myles Jack, or Noah spence. Any of these guys would be great additions..And the best thing is that it's inevitable we will end up with one of them!

[Inqui]

Unfortunately the one game I really evaluated vh3 was his game against Michigan which happened to be arguably his worst. This has caused me to go extremely sour on him. That being said I'd be thrilled to have him. Shoot I'd be thrilled to have him, Ramsey, Alexander, buckner, stanley, Treadwell, Myles Jack, or Noah spence. Any of these guys would be great additions..And the best thing is that it's inevitable we will end up with one of them!

If we select A'Shawn Robinson I'm blaming you.

[Clmraven]

Just watched some tape on Justin Simmons from BC, looks pretty good with decent deep coverage good ball skills and a solid tackler.

On another note his teammate Steven Daniels jumped out quite a bit when I was watching Simmons, could be another guy we target.

[ravensnation5220]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2609529-2016-nfl-draft-clemson-cornerback-mackensie-alexander-is-best-in-class

Awesome article really shows some good points on alexander and why i think hes worth it at 6

[January J]

If we select A'Shawn Robinson I'm blaming you.

lol we better not!

[ravefan52]

How do you guys think Webb's move to FS affects us drafting a safety? Harbaugh really seems to love him and he'll be working in his new position all offseason, but I hope that doesn't stop us from taking one in what's the best class at the position in awhile. He's already 30 with a number of major injuries and it's not like he's some amazing player.

I do think the priority in the secondary right now is to get an outside CB though.

Edited January 23, 2016 by ravefan52

[January J]

How do you guys think Webb's move to FS affects us drafting a safety? Harbaugh really seems to love him and he'll be working in his new position all offseason, but I hope that doesn't stop us from taking one in what's the best class at the position in awhile. He's already 30 with a number of major injuries and it's not like he's some amazing player.

I do think the priority in the secondary right now is to get an outside CB though.

that's why Ramsey makes so much sense for us right now. Not only is he the top athlete in the draft but he basically fills 2 needs and you can't tell me Ozzie won't value that versatility. I know alot of ppl are saying Ramseys not a natural corner or blazay blah but I think that's malarkey. And if it works out better during camp with Ramsey at fs and Webb back at corner then so be it. We can move him around wherever works best for the team- not to mention if will hill went down he would be the next man up at SS, and would be the perfect candidate to take his place when the contract is up. It just makes too much sense. Edited January 23, 2016 by January J

[BmoreBird22]

This would be really interesting. 

SB Nation's Dan Kadar has the Ravens taking Mackensie Alexander and then Kendall Fuller in back to back rounds. It'd be similar to what the Packers did last year by taking two young defensive backs.

[Bandwagon]

This would be really interesting. 

SB Nation's Dan Kadar has the Ravens taking Mackensie Alexander and then Kendall Fuller in back to back rounds. It'd be similar to what the Packers did last year by taking two young defensive backs.

Im guessing that implies that we address WR position in FA

[BmoreBird22]

Im guessing that implies that we address WR position in FA

I didn't look at the full mock draft, so I have no clue

[Cillmatic]

This would be really interesting.

SB Nation's Dan Kadar has the Ravens taking Mackensie Alexander and then Kendall Fuller in back to back rounds. It'd be similar to what the Packers did last year by taking two young defensive backs.

Don't see it happening, we don't need 2 new starting CB's; only one.

[rmw10]

Don't see it happening, we don't need 2 new starting CB's; only one.

 

I'd think it would depend on if we can get Shareece Wright back or not.  Right now, our CBs are Jimmy Smith, Will Davis, Kyle Arrington (who I assume will be cut), and Tray Walker.  I don't think it's any secret that we'll be adding someone in FA even if it's not Wright, but 2 CBs isn't too crazy of a thought.

[GrimCoconut]

This would be really interesting. 

SB Nation's Dan Kadar has the Ravens taking Mackensie Alexander and then Kendall Fuller in back to back rounds. It'd be similar to what the Packers did last year by taking two young defensive backs.

I'd love that. I like both those guys a lot. That would almost be a dream-come-true. The problem is no pass-rush. That would really stink, IMO. 

 

That said, one thing I will say is people talk about the need for  pass rush & this is true; however, pass rush doesn't really work very well against a quick-release. In that situation, CBs who can cover & do it well are beyond valuable. That's the type of team that can beat Tom Brady. You take out that quick passing game & it makes it significantly harder for the other team to beat you with it, which has been sort of an Achilles heel of ours, even when our pass rush was ferocious last year with the three-headed monster. 

[Ravenslifer]

This would be really interesting. 

SB Nation's Dan Kadar has the Ravens taking Mackensie Alexander and then Kendall Fuller in back to back rounds. It'd be similar to what the Packers did last year by taking two young defensive backs.

 

In this league you really need 4-5 starting caliber corners to compete with the best of teams.

[Cillmatic]

I'd think it would depend on if we can get Shareece Wright back or not. Right now, our CBs are Jimmy Smith, Will Davis, Kyle Arrington (who I assume will be cut), and Tray Walker. I don't think it's any secret that we'll be adding someone in FA even if it's not Wright, but 2 CBs isn't too crazy of a thought.

Wright is gonna come back, his best frien is here and he'll be pretty cheap. He's one of the only guaranteed FA resigning wee have. If we already have Jimmy and Wright using the draft to address the CB Position would be superfluous.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd love that. I like both those guys a lot. That would almost be a dream-come-true. The problem is no pass-rush. That would really stink, IMO. 

 

That said, one thing I will say is people talk about the need for  pass rush & this is true; however, pass rush doesn't really work very well against a quick-release. In that situation, CBs who can cover & do it well are beyond valuable. That's the type of team that can beat Tom Brady. You take out that quick passing game & it makes it significantly harder for the other team to beat you with it, which has been sort of an Achilles heel of ours, even when our pass rush was ferocious last year with the three-headed monster. 

exactly. and for me to agree that we need a cb, is crazy, because i am the most die hard believer in "pass rush wins" but in our case we just cant play around with it anymore, we need someone who can prevent that key completion in 3rd and short, we havent had that since jimmy went down in 2013, we need someone who can make tom brady question his hot reads. i dont know if that guy would be alexander as the pure cb, or ramsey as the versatile guy who can stop a TE in the seam but at the same time can jam a slot wr all the way into the sideline, its a toss up, and while idk if id call alexander a 6th overall talent, i wouldnt be mad about it, however i think cb is the only area where we shouldnt double dip so early. 

[RaineV1]

Passrush wins when you have DBs and Linebackers that can take away the quick passes. So yeah, someone that can do that would greatly help the Ravens. I think Alexander can be that guy, and I wouldn't mind doubling up on that position.

[GrimCoconut]

exactly. and for me to agree that we need a cb, is crazy, because i am the most die hard believer in "pass rush wins" but in our case we just cant play around with it anymore, we need someone who can prevent that key completion in 3rd and short, we havent had that since jimmy went down in 2013, we need someone who can make tom brady question his hot reads. i dont know if that guy would be alexander as the pure cb, or ramsey as the versatile guy who can stop a TE in the seam but at the same time can jam a slot wr all the way into the sideline, its a toss up, and while idk if id call alexander a 6th overall talent, i wouldnt be mad about it, however i think cb is the only area where we shouldnt double dip so early. 

I think the best-case scenario that probably doesn't happen but would still be regardless is the following:

 

1. Jalen Ramsey

2. Kendall Fuller

3. Yannick Ngakoue

 

Gives you the pass rusher to develop, the safety/CB to take away the middle of the field, and the playmaking CB to finally get us turnovers & to take away the quick passing game. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think the best-case scenario that probably doesn't happen but would still be regardless is the following:

1. Jalen Ramsey

2. Kendall Fuller

3. Yannick Ngakoue

Gives you the pass rusher to develop, the safety/CB to take away the middle of the field, and the playmaking CB to finally get us turnovers & to take away the quick passing game.

I'll take Eli Apple over fuller, but yeah i'd be ecstatic with some combo of that. Ramsey and Spence and then thompson would be nice too, let Ramsey play cb as a rookie and let thompson get snaps at FS (i think he's a future starter) and then move Ramsey to SS in the future, and hopefully one of will David or shareece Wright or tray walker allow us to comforttably move Ramsey from cb in that scenario. I think we have a chance to bring our defense from trash to future top 10 in one draft here

[Ravenseconbeast]

On 1/24/2016 at 0:16 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I think the best-case scenario that probably doesn't happen but would still be regardless is the following:

1. Jalen Ramsey
2. Kendall Fuller
3. Yannick Ngakoue

Gives you the pass rusher to develop, the safety/CB to take away the middle of the field, and the playmaking CB to finally get us turnovers & to take away the quick passing game.

I'll take Eli Apple over fuller, but yeah i'd be ecstatic with some combo of that. Ramsey and Spence and then thompson would be nice too, let Ramsey play cb as a rookie and let thompson get snaps at FS (i think he's a future starter) and then move Ramsey to SS in the future, and hopefully one of will David or shareece Wright or tray walker allow us to comforttably move Ramsey from cb in that scenario. I think we have a chance to bring our defense from trash to future top 10 in one draft here

If Fuller can show he has no issue during combine with the scouts @ evaluation session, his stock could go far and away higher than Eli.   Talent wise I don't think Eli is even close to Kendal Fuller.   

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm looking into Alexander and hargreaves again... And I'm still hitting a wall, I can't decide if I really really like both of these guys, or if I think they'll just be average, I just can't make up my mind on either of them, and deciding who I would prefer to draft? Pffffft forget about that, idk if I'll be able to ever decide that. 

 

I have the same issue with my 2nd round guys too. Fuller and apple, don't think I'll be able to decide that one either.

[CalvinSmoke]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm looking into Alexander and hargreaves again... And I'm still hitting a wall, I can't decide if I really really like both of these guys, 

I'm with you man... My only sure favorites are Darian thompson for the 2nd and sterling Shephard in the 3rd. Those two might be my favorite prospects.  The first round is just a big mystery to me. 

[ALPHA]

I don't know about you guys but every year I just find it harder to project college DBs pro careers, I can't find a successful formula. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, CalvinSmoke said:

I'm with you man... My only sure favorites are Darian thompson for the 2nd and sterling Shephard in the 3rd. Those two might be my favorite prospects.  The first round is just a big mystery to me. 

I like Thompson in The 3rd, top 2nd is a pretty huge reach for him I think. 

[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, ALPHA said:

I don't know about you guys but every year I just find it harder to project college DBs pro careers, I can't find a successful formula. 

There is no formula and there never will be

[CalvinSmoke]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I like Thompson in The 3rd, top 2nd is a pretty huge reach for him I think. 

What do you think he's lacking. Considering rangy safeties are extremely scarse in this league, top 2nd for potentially a top 5 safety in a few years sounds worth it to me.

[January J]

On January 24, 2016 at 10:59 PM, GrimCoconut said:

I think the best-case scenario that probably doesn't happen but would still be regardless is the following:

 

1. Jalen Ramsey

2. Kendall Fuller

3. Yannick Ngakoue

 

Gives you the pass rusher to develop, the safety/CB to take away the middle of the field, and the playmaking CB to finally get us turnovers & to take away the quick passing game. 

Boom. Wouldn't get much better than that. Only way it could get better would be after those 3 trading back into the third for one of the top remaining receivers. Sheppard would be nice but doubt he falls that low, have a feeling he will raise his stock to around a mid to late 2nd. But if we couldn't get him I'd take whatever top speed receiver is left so we have a contingency plan to stretch the field if perriman goes down. Givens is not the answer and has gotta go.

[Purple&Black]

I've liked Ramsey since the Miami game a season or two ago. However,  with us moving Webb to safety and having to pay him CB Money, plus Ramsey projecting better as a safety. I think they give webb a shot there. As a CB, I think Ramsey is the 3rd best at the position. Mckenzie and Sutton may not be the play makers, but they are arguably better lock down cbs. VH3 is a ball hawk, but gets beat from time to time and looks like a nickel. With all that said, Oz drafts talent, not position on most occasions and I would happily welcome Ramsey. If say Mckenzie, Ramsey and Bosa happen to be gone I really like Noah Spence. We could possibly trade back, get Spence and get Sutton or fuller early 2nd. That would be huge too because we fill two voids.

Edited January 30, 2016 by Purple&Black

[Purple&Black]

I think most of us are in agreement that we don't want a tackle in the first?