2016 DB Prospect Thread

[January J]

Was excited that he ended up playing, sucks he went down again I really was looking forward to evaluating him a little more. He looked pretty sharp when he was in there. I've always heard that a knock on him is he is sometimes reluctant to really come up and hit guys ..but he was all over it tonight..saw him make several plays attacking the ball and making solid open feild tackles. Didn't get to see much of him in coverage but that's bc the qb rarely looks his way.

[ravensnation5220]

Alexander has really good instincts. Like, I mean really really good. He's able to quickly diagnose plays and understand where the ball will go. That's one of the more important qualities of a CB outside of the backpedal & some other traits. His closing speed is also really, really good. I can see why he's so well liked. I think he could be prone to missing tackles at the next level, but those instincts are so good & play diagnosis are top-notch.

Hes a film rat and a technician. He will always be at the right spot becuase he knows whats comming, a true student of the game. Too bad he got hurt. Couldve been a difference maker and looked like one to start. Roll tide!!! Alabama ended up pullin through

[jdynamite]

Im hoping Kendall Fuller can fall in the draft as a "forgotten stud ".

Another person that is really talented is Artie Burns from The Hurricanes. I think once all the draft talk kicks up he might become a 2nd-3rd round prospect.

He is a really athletic player with ball hawking skills, good recovery speed. Also I really want him to be successful after the unexpected passing of his mother during the season.

[ravensnick]

Anybody got anything on William Jackson out of Houston. I seen a couple games and really like his play.

I'm liking him a lot for our second round pick. He is in the mold of the new style NFL at 6'1" and he was very impressive vs FSU. 

[Willbacker]

I'm liking him a lot for our second round pick. He is in the mold of the new style NFL at 6'1" and he was very impressive vs FSU. 

lol that's the game I seen. I also seen the championship game for their conference and he was very impressive in that game too.

[ravensnation5220]

I'm liking him a lot for our second round pick. He is in the mold of the new style NFL at 6'1" and he was very impressive vs FSU.

i wouldn't say impressive, i thought he had ups and downs. He allowed 7 of 11 passes and his 2 picks came off bad throws. 1 off and underthrow which he got beat on but made a nice play on the ball and the second was at the end. His tackling was good pther than the beginning when he got shook and nearly fell. But what i saw was an inconsistent and raw yet athletic and physical corner. Id give him a late 2nd early 3rd grade. He has some potential

[BmoreBird22]

Matt Miller asked seven teams (head coach, GM, scout) who they thought the best defensive back in the draft is and got Mackenzie Alexander each time. If he's there at six, I'd take him in a heartbeat. 

[rmw10]

Matt Miller asked seven teams (head coach, GM, scout) who they thought the best defensive back in the draft is and got Mackenzie Alexander each time. If he's there at six, I'd take him in a heartbeat. 

 

Doesn't surprise me at all right now.  He's got some issues to clean up but I think he has the highest upside by far.  He may not be the turnover machine but he's a guy that likely won't have many balls thrown his direction.

[jazz1988]

Matt Miller asked seven teams (head coach, GM, scout) who they thought the best defensive back in the draft is and got Mackenzie Alexander each time. If he's there at six, I'd take him in a heartbeat. 

I been wanting to watch this guy  play but  didn't get the chance to watch The Bowl game in time against Alabama  before he got hurt. There's only been two cornerbacks drafted in  the top 10 of The NFL draft that have been good/playmakers for their team in the past five years and that has been Patrick Peterson and Joe Haden.

 

If The Ravens feel like Alexander is at  the same level as those guys  or better then I would be fine with it but i'm honestly just not sure what player is really worth  The Ravens 6th overall pick at the moment.

Edited January 16, 2016 by jazz1988

[GrimCoconut]

Matt Miller asked seven teams (head coach, GM, scout) who they thought the best defensive back in the draft is and got Mackenzie Alexander each time. If he's there at six, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Doesn't surprise me at all right now. He's got some issues to clean up but I think he has the highest upside by far. He may not be the turnover machine but he's a guy that likely won't have many balls thrown his direction.

Alexander is certainly a terrific prospect. I am a little late to watch him since I didn't watch much of Clemson this year but now that I started watching him I see why he's so well received. He may be the best CB in the class. The concerns regarding his ability to turnover the ball are overblown imo because he gets himself into position and reads where the ball is going very well. That's eventually going to result in interceptions. I'm confident that he'll have more interceptions as a pro.

[Robbyrobbass]

Just name this post Ramsey love hes highly overrated he will be no more than a strong safety in the nfl thats all the best db in this class is Mackenzie Alexander

[January J]

Alexander is certainly a terrific prospect. I am a little late to watch him since I didn't watch much of Clemson this year but now that I started watching him I see why he's so well received. He may be the best CB in the class. The concerns regarding his ability to turnover the ball are overblown imo because he gets himself into position and reads where the ball is going very well. That's eventually going to result in interceptions. I'm confident that he'll have more interceptions as a pro.

Ii think so too, I saw him in position to intercept several balls and have seen him jump routes perfectly..it seems like everytime either the ball was just so poorly thrown or the qb just never went his way. But I def see his play translating into some turnovers.

[Wildabeast88]

Anybody got anything on William Jackson out of Houston. I seen a couple games and really like his play.

I haven't watched a lot but what I have read is scouts like his size he is smart understands how to position his body to pin the WR on the sideline his negative they see some tightness in his hips and need to fine tune footwork technique but not a negative scouting report by any means I have seen mostly 2nd round grades

[CalvinSmoke]

MacKensie Alexander and Jimmy Smith would be pretty nasty. Legion of boom esque

[BmoreBird22]

MacKensie Alexander and Jimmy Smith would be pretty nasty. Legion of boom esque

No, I don't think so. I think the Legion of Boom got their name because they have linebackers and a strong safety that can absolutely smack a player in the mouth over the middle. 

 

I'm thinking more like Bmore Island.

[CalvinSmoke]

No, I don't think so. I think the Legion of Boom got their name because they have linebackers and a strong safety that can absolutely smack a player in the mouth over the middle.

I'm thinking more like Bmore Island.

the Legion of boom is the name of their secondary I thought

[BmoreBird22]

the Legion of boom is the name of their secondary I thought

It's what Sherman calls it, but I think it had to do with the fact that they'll smack you in the mouth and let you know it

[ravensnation5220]

Just a note to take. Mackensie alexander is 22 years old. While vernon hargreaves is 20. Makes me feel that i shouldnt be so harsh on vernon lol same goes for eli apple hes only 20

[GrimCoconut]

Of all the CBs at the top of this draft, my favorite for us is probably Fuller. He's a very good CB with great ball skills & I think he would do well in a zone coverage system & in press as well. With Frazier coming here & his knowledge, I think Fuller would really flourish under his tutelage. On top of that, I'm a really big fan of his & love his toughness & love of the game. 

 

I'm still a big fan of Eli Apple as well, but I think I like Fuller more, partially out of perhaps bias (been a fan of his for two years now), and partially because I like his ability to make plays on the ball more. 

 

I'm not going to discuss Ramsey here, because I see him more of a DB and not necessarily just a CB. 

[52520Andrew]

Of all the CBs at the top of this draft, my favorite for us is probably Fuller. He's a very good CB with great ball skills & I think he would do well in a zone coverage system & in press as well. With Frazier coming here & his knowledge, I think Fuller would really flourish under his tutelage. On top of that, I'm a really big fan of his & love his toughness & love of the game. 

 

I am a bit biased with Fuller being a VT fan and all so I would be pretty happy to get him regardless. I need to look into Apple a bit but I keep hearing good things. Something I should probably mention with Fuller is that he is also a local guy born in Baltimore.

 

I am pretty sure you already knew this part but he is the brother of Kyle Fuller, Corey Fuller(WR Lions) and Vincent Fuller who played in the NFL with a few different teams but is currently retired. All of these guys played football for Virginia Tech by the way.

[rmw10]

I am a bit biased with Fuller being a VT fan and all so I would be pretty happy to get him regardless. I need to look into Apple a bit but I keep hearing good things. Something I should probably mention with Fuller is that he is also a local guy born in Baltimore.

 

I am pretty sure you already knew this part but he is the brother of Kyle Fuller, Corey Fuller(WR Lions) and Vincent Fuller who played in the NFL with a few different teams but is currently retired. All of these guys played football for Virginia Tech by the way.

 

Apple is an interesting one.  He's really impressed me.  I didn't expect to come away with such high praise for a guy, but there's an awfully lot to like there.

[GrimCoconut]

I am a bit biased with Fuller being a VT fan and all so I would be pretty happy to get him regardless. I need to look into Apple a bit but I keep hearing good things. Something I should probably mention with Fuller is that he is also a local guy born in Baltimore.

 

I am pretty sure you already knew this part but he is the brother of Kyle Fuller, Corey Fuller(WR Lions) and Vincent Fuller who played in the NFL with a few different teams but is currently retired. All of these guys played football for Virginia Tech by the way.

I knew Fuller was a local guy. Part of the reason for my bias, probably, lol. Still, I really want him to come here. Watching him, his ability to make a play on the ball, and his overall ability as a CB has me excited for him to come back home to Baltimore. I think he could very well be better than his brother. 

 

As for Apple, he was a part of the Ohio State secondary that helped shutdown Amari Cooper last year in the first-ever college playoffs. 

Apple is an interesting one.  He's really impressed me.  I didn't expect to come away with such high praise for a guy, but there's an awfully lot to like there.

He shutdown your boy Amari Cooper last year in the playoffs, if that helps any. Lol, granted he did it with a team effort, but still.

[ravensnation5220]

Ii think so too, I saw him in position to intercept several balls and have seen him jump routes perfectly..it seems like everytime either the ball was just so poorly thrown or the qb just never went his way. But I def see his play translating into some turnovers.

you also nevet see him get beat which shows hes not biting and taking chances. I honestly think vh3 and alexander are very similar in so many ways but 2. Alexander is 22 years old and has only played 2 years of game time. Meanwhile vh3 has 3 years of play time has nearly as many picks as alexander has batted passes (vh3 has 10 picks alexander has 11 bps) and vh3 is only 20. But then again you can make the case alexander hasn't allowed a td in 23 games and allowed a completion percentage of maybe 30% throughout his career, while vh3 had a down year (ps it wasnt only the last 2, he was inconsistent all year and missed 4 or 5 tackles vs Tennessee, yet he still didnt get chalenged much. Take your pick cause i cant. Glad we dont have to make that choice.

[January J]

I knew Fuller was a local guy. Part of the reason for my bias, probably, lol. Still, I really want him to come here. Watching him, his ability to make a play on the ball, and his overall ability as a CB has me excited for him to come back home to Baltimore. I think he could very well be better than his brother.

As for Apple, he was a part of the Ohio State secondary that helped shutdown Amari Cooper last year in the first-ever college playoffs.

He shutdown your boy Amari Cooper last year in the playoffs, if that helps any. Lol, granted he did it with a team effort, but still.

yeah VT is only a little over an hour from where I live so I'm a little biased towards him too and is one of the only prospects I have seen play in person.

you also nevet see him get beat which shows hes not biting and taking chances. I honestly think vh3 and alexander are very similar in so many ways but 2. Alexander is 22 years old and has only played 2 years of game time. Meanwhile vh3 has 3 years of play time has nearly as many picks as alexander has batted passes (vh3 has 10 picks alexander has 11 bps) and vh3 is only 20. But then again you can make the case alexander hasn't allowed a td in 23 games and allowed a completion percentage of maybe 30% throughout his career, while vh3 had a down year (ps it wasnt only the last 2, he was inconsistent all year and missed 4 or 5 tackles vs Tennessee, yet he still didnt get chalenged much. Take your pick cause i cant. Glad we dont have to make that choice.

i would take Alexander over vh3 but would probably take Ramsey over both. I also have a feeling that the jags will take vh3 at 5 anyway..Just a hunch. Edited January 21, 2016 by January J

[ravensnation5220]

yeah VT is only a little over an hour from where I live so I'm a little biased towards him too and is one of the only prospects I have seen play in person. i would take Alexander over vh3 but would probably take Ramsey over both. I also have a feeling that the jags will take vh3 at 5 anyway..Just a hunch.

Heres a nice article on alexander. Shows one of the best things about him http://www.campusrush.com/mackensie-alexander-clemson-tigers-national-title-game-1546553020.html

[PurpleCity5]

With people and scouts souring on Hargreaves, I would absolutely love to have him as a trade down target, I still believe he's a top talent and even though he has struggled in his last few games, I don't think its a representation of him overall. I mean, look at Ronald Darby, he was thought to have been one of the top CBs going into his Junior Year, wasn't as good as his Sophomore year and he took a tumble, he was toasted by DeVante Parker and Philip Dorsett, there were also size questions about him with coming into the combine at 5'11 and 188 pounds. I think we can all agree that pick has worked out for Buffalo. Both him and Hargreaves are different type of players but have similar concerns.

Edited January 21, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[ravensnation5220]

With people and scouts souring on Hargreaves, I would absolutely love to have him as a trade down target, I still believe he's a top talent and even though he has struggled in his last few games, I don't think its a representation of him overall. I mean, look at Ronald Darby, he was thought to have been one of the top CBs going into his Junior Year, wasn't as good as his Sophomore year and he took a tumble, he was toasted by DeVante Parker and Philip Dorsett, there were also size questions about him with coming into the combine at 5'11 and 188 pounds. I think we can all agree that pick has worked out for Buffalo. Both him and Hargreaves are different type of players but have similar concerns.

I did sour on him a bit and rightfully so after the season he had but he was still a great prospect ever since he came out and he continued to work at it. I think hes a hard worker and ill cut him some slack for having a down year when you know the nfl is just around the corner. Besides hes still only 20 years old. I have a feeling we still havent seen the best of him.

[PurpleCity5]

I did sour on him a bit and rightfully so after the season he had but he was still a great prospect ever since he came out and he continued to work at it. I think hes a hard worker and ill cut him some slack for having a down year when you know the nfl is just around the corner. Besides hes still only 20 years old. I have a feeling we still havent seen the best of him.

I think he's starting to become underrated. I'd note that he's gone up against top competition and did very well historically speaking. As far as his recent struggles go, it was really only a two game stretch, before it he was considered a top ten pick.

 

I've gone back to the film and I understand the concerns people have. The lack of size did show up as did his lack of top end speed. I do feel that outside of that, there were really no other weaknesses to his game that we didn't know about that were exploited, he just had a tough stretch. It happens.

 

He didn't play bad in the Alabama game, they preferred not to throw his way, but he was not as bad as people make him out to be. I'd like to note that he's was matched up against Calvin Ridley, who give or take is the next Amari Cooper. He is an insanely talented WR. He did well for the most part but admittedly gave up a step to Ridley who had to adjust to a 50 yard late throw from Jake Croker. However, the catch was really good and it easily could have been an in-completion, it was simply a great catch, you can't do anything else without getting a flag in that situation. Outside of that, I don't think he had a bad game at all. 

 

I think the Michigan game was the game that you look and say he didn't do well at all, but his other games that he didn't do a great job. Not his proudest game and I can say myself that I was disappointed, but that's really the only game that would pause and make me think if he's worth it for us. Outside of that I don't think there is any other game that does it. 

 

 I do believe Alexander is the best Man-coverage CB in the draft, but Hargreaves is a perfect fit for us, he plays very well in the zone, and is just as good off-man. He's also a play-maker which is an added bonus. I would absolutely love to have him if we decide to trade back.

[BmoreBird22]

I knew Fuller was a local guy. Part of the reason for my bias, probably, lol. Still, I really want him to come here. Watching him, his ability to make a play on the ball, and his overall ability as a CB has me excited for him to come back home to Baltimore. I think he could very well be better than his brother. 

He should, without a doubt, be better than his brothers. He's just ultra coachable and just such a good guy.

Good football player aside, he just seems like the type who would take very well to coaching. He's a lot like Jimmy in that he's very quiet, stays out of the spotlight, and just is very humble.

[CalvinSmoke]

He should, without a doubt, be better than his brothers. He's just ultra coachable and just such a good guy .

Good football player aside, he just seems like the type who would take very well to coaching. He's a lot like Jimmy in that he's very quiet, stays out of the spotlight, and just is very humble.

with all that said on done... I hope he has a weak combine. Cause Spence, Jaylon Smith, and Fuller would make me do cartwheels.