2016 DB Prospect Thread

[rmw10]

If only I had a dollar for every time you said this

I think you'd be able to get a meal from Chick-Fil-A or something.

[Inqui]

If only I had a dollar for every time you said this

To be fair, he shouldn't need to keep saying it.

[52520Andrew]

I think you'd be able to get a meal from Chick-Fil-A or something.

Sounds good to me lol

[sflegend89]

I still don't get why Ramsey is so criminally underrated on these boards. It's this weird group think mentality where one poster says "Ehhh I don't like Ramsey because _____" and then it is repeated over and over again and accepted as a valid criticism by everyone else. My early indication is that NFL scouts value Ramsey very highly and many see great potential in him at the next level in the mold of a guy like Patrick Peterson. The similarities between the two are actually staggering. While Ramsey is a notch beneath Peterson in terms of his ball skills, return ability, and the more flashy aspects of the position he compares to him heavily in the more fundamental aspects.

 

Read this passage from Patrick Peterson's draft profile:

 

Peterson is built like a safety, has the speed of a corner and is an elite playmaker. He has the explosion and range to play on an island and the instincts to be effective in zone heavy schemes. He has elite ball skills and is a shifty runner that is a nightmare to take down in the open field. He is a supremely confident kid that always looks to make plays, but at times can get burned by ball fakes and double moves. Peterson is a freakishly talented football player and might very well be the first corner back in the draft's history to be taken No. 1 overall.

 

 

WEAKNESSES

 Does not have elite recovery speed and will not always close the gap when the ball is in the air. Over aggressive player that can be beat by play action and double moves. Struggles at times anticipating routes. Lacks the ability to consistently shed blocks in run support.

Edited January 4, 2016 by sflegend89

[nishadrahman13]

I like Ramsey, but unless our DC can use him like a bigger Tyrann Mathieu, I don't think he will play to his potential in Baltimore. That's why a "safer" pick like Treadwell is so popular. Frankly, a draft with Jalen Ramsey, Desmond King, and Carl Lawson would be epic. Last year was an offense heavy draft in which everyone got hurt. Just because they were hurt doesn't mean that 2016 will fail though and I can really see significant growth coming on that side of the ball even without an infusion of offensive rookies. The 2016 season will be decided by the 2015 draft class more than anything else. Except health of course.

[JoeyFlex5]

And then begs the question that if we don't think it's worth it, then why would another team give up an extra pick(s) to move up and get someone in a "bad" draft class? It takes two to make a deal. Sure, it might only take 1 team to want a guy, but it still takes 2 to make a trade. I feel like there's a big assumption (and not just this year, it's been every year) that there's always a willing trade partner.

well, there's always qb needy teams, and the biggest one is one spot after us, if other teams want the 2nd qb then our phones will be ringing off the hook, it's all about finding the right offer to pass up whatever guy we may like the most.

[nishadrahman13]

Went back through tape, and Desmond King is going to go in the middle of the first round. I would love for that lucky team to be us via trade back. We can pick up a receiver at the top of the second, or a pass rusher like Carl Lawson or Yannick Ngakoue.

[KDUBB44]

I'll say it now, Alexander will come out to be the best cb in this draft.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'll say it now, Alexander will come out to be the best cb in this draft.

most of the board seems to have turned that direction. 

 

i just wanna go on a limb and say i very well may have been the first to claim alexander as my favorite cb..

[ravensnation5220]

most of the board seems to have turned that direction.

i just wanna go on a limb and say i very well may have been the first to claim alexander as my favorite cb..

lol id say i was the first

[January J]

well, there's always qb needy teams, and the biggest one is one spot after us, if other teams want the 2nd qb then our phones will be ringing off the hook, it's all about finding the right offer to pass up whatever guy we may like the most.

most people have no idea how huge San Fran winning that one game is for us. Could potentially change everything and send this team on a completely different trajectory. I think the Rams will be the team that ends up giving us the mother load. Esp if they make that transition to L A ( not sure where that stands right now) , but they will want that shiny new qb to launch their new Era in a new city. Even if they stay in St. Louis they desperately need a qb and will look to jump the boats. I wouldn't be opposed to taking Alexander along with gaining an extra 1st for the next year, an extra 2nd, and possibly an extra 6th. Alexander will most likely still be there at that spot, barring him having an incredible combine or something.

[nishadrahman13]

I feel like we're forgetting something: a huge reason we went 5-11 is turniver differential. We had a -14 in that department. And 6 picks total. We don't need someone who might be a shutdown corner down the road, we need someone who gets interceptions right away. Put another way, we don't need Ronald Darby, we need Marcus Peters. Doesn't matter if he gives up 8 touchdowns if he gets 8 picks, especially with the improvement our defense has had in the last 9 games with Webb at free safety (during which we were the 2nd best defense in the NFL). The Chiefs are in the playoffs right now, and the difference between us and them is turnovers, plain and simple. Frankly, if we got Marcus Peters in the draft this year, I think we're 8-8 at the worst even with the injuries, and likely an AFC wild card.

Edited January 5, 2016 by nishadrahman13

[nishadrahman13]

most people have no idea how huge San Fran winning that one game is for us. Could potentially change everything and send this team on a completely different trajectory. I think the Rams will be the team that ends up giving us the mother load. Esp if they make that transition to L A ( not sure where that stands right now) , but they will want that shiny new qb to launch their new Era in a new city. Even if they stay in St. Louis they desperately need a qb and will look to jump the boats. I wouldn't be opposed to taking Alexander along with gaining an extra 1st for the next year, an extra 2nd, and possibly an extra 6th. Alexander will most likely still be there at that spot, barring him having an incredible combine or something.

This trade would be highway robbery considering the talent in the 2017 draft and the depth in the 2016 draft. I'm taking it all day.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm really liking Alexander a lot but I do like others a bit better at 6. 

[xxDarby]

I'm really liking Alexander a lot but I do like others a bit better at 6. 

such as?

[PurpleCity5]

such as?

I favor Treadwell, and Stanley a bit more. 

[allblackraven]

I have really warmed up to the idea I had the other day of taking Cyrus Jones to play FS for us. Quick, he can find the ball and he's pretty smart guy. He played well at CB against some much bigger WRs, too. Bonus - great returner. I can see him in a role similar to Mathieu's. If he can be had in 4th, I would not hesitate at all. Would think hard in 3rd round, too - depending on who's left on the board but high 3rd round pick seems a little too much.

 

And he needs to come back home.

[GrimCoconut]

I have really warmed up to the idea I had the other day of taking Cyrus Jones to play FS for us. Quick, he can find the ball and he's pretty smart guy. He played well at CB against some much bigger WRs, too. Bonus - great returner. I can see him in a role similar to Mathieu's. If he can be had in 4th, I would not hesitate at all. Would think hard in 3rd round, too - depending on who's left on the board but high 3rd round pick seems a little too much.

And he needs to come back home.

I really like Cyrus Jones as a CB. I'd be good with him as a FS, too. I think he has a place with this team regardless.

[ravensnation5220]

Well i feel webb going to fs is going to help a lot. Sometimes picks arent made by one guy. Its going to take a team to fix it, but i feel if he pans out well at free safety and have alexander, smith, webb and will hill. We would have a solid group of guys. All they need to do is put themselves in the right position and make the play.

Another note is ive been watching more tape on kendall fuller and ive noticed hes had trouble turning his head to find the ball when its in the air and he ends up getting called for a lot of PI because of it. If he would just turn his head he could have had plenty more picks throughout his college career even if it was cut short. Im starting to think this kid could fall to the third round for us

[Robbyrobbass]

Harbaugh just declared today that Webby will be permanently moved to FS or nickel. I frankly think it's about time, and could potentially have big effects on our offseason if he is a stud at that role. Safety could become much less of an issue, to the point where VH3 over Ramsey, for example, is an inevitability. Same with KO's move to left tackle. If only we could do something about Monroe's contract. We've really been burned by Rice, Pitta, and Monroe these last few years. 2016 has the potential to be another building year unfortunately.

monroe can be a june1 cut where we could spread the hit if we decided but I would take Alexander over vh3

[Robbyrobbass]

keep an eye on Sean Davis at the senior bowl, CB Maryland. Also, Deon Bush S Miami and Karl Joseph S WVU. my favorite mid round prospects at DB

Deon Bush is my guy

[sflegend89]

Finally got around to watching more game tape on the top DB's. (VH3, Ramsey Alexander)

 

Thoughts:

 

- VH3 struggled against the good WR's he faced which concerned me, had a lot more bad tape then I anticipated. Flashes of brilliance and super impressive athleticism but he got beat 1 on 1 the most out of all 3 of them. I see a lot of potential, I think he can mature some more physically and has the technical ability to be a really special player if he get's with the right coach and is groomed well. Definitely more of a project than a lot of people seem to perceive him as, the ability is certainly there but the issues against better WR's definitely worries me. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Alexander goes ahead of him, more on that later.

 

- Ramsey has some bad tape as well but when he's on, he's ON. There are some super impressive plays he makes that make you say "wow". Over aggressive at times and has some brain fart moments but damn can this kid play ball. When you look at the total package of size, speed, strength, and athleticism he's the most impressive of the bunch, definitely Patrick Peterson-esque in that regard. He can just flat out do things the other 2 can't do. The one hang up for me is where do you play him. He's a better corner than people seem to realize but definitely best utilized at FS. I don't buy the recycled line of "Doesn't have the range yada yada" when you put the time in and watch the game tape you can definitely envision him being a killer FS. I could also see him being used like Tyrann Mathieu, he's so good around the LOS that you don't want him to just be a traditional FS.

 

- Mackensie Alexander I was super impressed with, I think he's the best pure CB in the draft now. Very disciplined and rarely get's caught out of position. After watching the tape I really don't know how so many people think Hargreaves is better. Played very well against high level competition. QB's rarely even throw the ball his way and that perhaps is the sign of a true shutdown corner. Just so smooth in coverage, fluid hips, good back pedal, it's hard to find stuff to nit pick about his coverage in all honesty. Maybe not the athlete and all around specimen Ramsey is but he makes up for it with superior technique. If there's a an area of concern it's his physicality/tackling, the weakest of the 3 in that department. Whiffs on some tackles he should make, is easily blocked and taken out of plays... but considering he's a cover corner it's far from a deal breaker.

 

 

Conclusion:

 

- Alexander is the best pure corner

 

- Hard to say who is the better prospect between Alexander and Ramsey because Ramsey is so versatile and so gifted physically/athletically.

 

- VH3 may not be as impressive as the other 2 on tape but I still see what the hype is about, to me he's a bit of a project as far as top 5 players go but definitely has a high ceiling.

Edited January 6, 2016 by sflegend89

[ravensnation5220]

Finally got around to watching more game tape on the top DB's. (VH3, Ramsey Alexander)

Thoughts:

- VH3 struggled against the good WR's he faced which concerned me, had a lot more bad tape then I anticipated. Flashes of brilliance and super impressive athleticism but he got beat 1 on 1 the most out of all 3 of them. I see a lot of potential, I think he can mature some more physically and has the technical ability to be a really special player if he get's with the right coach and is groomed well. Definitely more of a project than a lot of people seem to perceive him as, the ability is certainly there but the issues against better WR's definitely worries me. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Alexander goes ahead of him, more on that later.

- Ramsey has some bad tape as well but when he's on, he's ON. There are some super impressive plays he makes that make you say "wow". Over aggressive at times and has some brain fart moments but damn can this kid play ball. When you look at the total package of size, speed, strength, and athleticism he's the most impressive of the bunch, definitely Patrick Peterson-esque in that regard. He can just flat out do things the other 2 can't do. The one hang up for me is where do you play him. He's a better corner than people seem to realize but definitely best utilized at FS. I don't buy the recycled line of "Doesn't have the range yada yada" when you put the time in and watch the game tape you can definitely envision him being a killer FS. I could also see him being used like Tyrann Mathieu, he's so good around the LOS that you don't want him to just be a traditional FS.

- Mackensie Alexander I was super impressed with, I think he's the best pure CB in the draft now. Very disciplined and rarely get's caught out of position. After watching the tape I really don't know how so many people think Hargreaves is better. Played very well against high level competition. QB's rarely even throw the ball his way and that perhaps is the sign of a true shutdown corner. Just so smooth in coverage, fluid hips, good back pedal, it's hard to find stuff to nit pick about his coverage in all honesty. Maybe not the athlete and all around specimen Ramsey is but he makes up for it with superior technique. If there's a an area of concern it's his physicality/tackling, the weakest of the 3 in that department. Whiffs on some tackles he should make, is easily blocked and taken out of plays... but considering he's a cover corner it's far from a deal breaker.

Conclusion:

- Alexander is the best pure corner

- Hard to say who is the better prospect between Alexander and Ramsey because Ramsey is so versatile and so gifted physically/athletically.

- VH3 may not be as impressive as the other 2 on tape but I still see what the hype is about, to me he's a bit of a project as far as top 5 players go but definitely has a high ceiling.

totally agree with the above, the tape certainly shows how good they are and i feel not enpugh people on here watch enough of the tape to state the kind of opinions they have on these guys. But ya alexander is the best of the 3 in my eyes. Read articles about him, his freshman year he stayed back to study film for the bowl game while his teammates went to dysney lol. He even has notes on his own teammates to better prepare himself for his professional career and seems very dedicated to his craft and is a hard worker who pays attention to detail. Listen to any interviews he has with reporters on YouTube and youl see just hope mature and confident this kid really is Edited January 6, 2016 by ravensnation5220

[ellicottraven]

most of the board seems to have turned that direction. 

 

i just wanna go on a limb and say i very well may have been the first to claim alexander as my favorite cb..

How is outright bragging going out on a limb?

[ellicottraven]

I feel we may find a trade partner to trade back for one of the 2 top rated QBs unless of course Cleveland and Dallas draft them. If they do, then we get one of the players we covet anyway.

Edited January 7, 2016 by ellicottraven

[pechillo]

I think VH3 will drop in a lot of peoples draft because he had such a strong 2014 season the hype was there for 2015 but he didn't perform as people thought. That being said, Alexander is definitely a shut down corner and don't get me wrong he really is best CB in the draft, but he's not much of a playmaker. Thats the only downside really. Ramsey is a playmaker that's why I like him a lot for the Ravens. BUT, the Ravens need a corner and Ramsey would be best as a safety. I think Alexander would be an awesome pick if his draft stock stays the same and Ravens could trade back. I like the safety depth in this years draft. 

[BSHU_Miami]

Finally got around to watching more game tape on the top DB's. (VH3, Ramsey Alexander)

 

Thoughts:

 

- VH3 struggled against the good WR's he faced which concerned me, had a lot more bad tape then I anticipated. Flashes of brilliance and super impressive athleticism but he got beat 1 on 1 the most out of all 3 of them. I see a lot of potential, I think he can mature some more physically and has the technical ability to be a really special player if he get's with the right coach and is groomed well. Definitely more of a project than a lot of people seem to perceive him as, the ability is certainly there but the issues against better WR's definitely worries me. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Alexander goes ahead of him, more on that later.

 

- Ramsey has some bad tape as well but when he's on, he's ON. There are some super impressive plays he makes that make you say "wow". Over aggressive at times and has some brain fart moments but damn can this kid play ball. When you look at the total package of size, speed, strength, and athleticism he's the most impressive of the bunch, definitely Patrick Peterson-esque in that regard. He can just flat out do things the other 2 can't do. The one hang up for me is where do you play him. He's a better corner than people seem to realize but definitely best utilized at FS. I don't buy the recycled line of "Doesn't have the range yada yada" when you put the time in and watch the game tape you can definitely envision him being a killer FS. I could also see him being used like Tyrann Mathieu, he's so good around the LOS that you don't want him to just be a traditional FS.

 

- Mackensie Alexander I was super impressed with, I think he's the best pure CB in the draft now. Very disciplined and rarely get's caught out of position. After watching the tape I really don't know how so many people think Hargreaves is better. Played very well against high level competition. QB's rarely even throw the ball his way and that perhaps is the sign of a true shutdown corner. Just so smooth in coverage, fluid hips, good back pedal, it's hard to find stuff to nit pick about his coverage in all honesty. Maybe not the athlete and all around specimen Ramsey is but he makes up for it with superior technique. If there's a an area of concern it's his physicality/tackling, the weakest of the 3 in that department. Whiffs on some tackles he should make, is easily blocked and taken out of plays... but considering he's a cover corner it's far from a deal breaker.

 

 

Conclusion:

 

- Alexander is the best pure corner

 

- Hard to say who is the better prospect between Alexander and Ramsey because Ramsey is so versatile and so gifted physically/athletically.

 

- VH3 may not be as impressive as the other 2 on tape but I still see what the hype is about, to me he's a bit of a project as far as top 5 players go but definitely has a high ceiling.

agree with everything. Wouldn't be mad if we draft Alexander with Haregraves on the board.

[SammyG]

Finally got around to watching more game tape on the top DB's. (VH3, Ramsey Alexander)

 

Thoughts:

 

- VH3 struggled against the good WR's he faced which concerned me, had a lot more bad tape then I anticipated. Flashes of brilliance and super impressive athleticism but he got beat 1 on 1 the most out of all 3 of them. I see a lot of potential, I think he can mature some more physically and has the technical ability to be a really special player if he get's with the right coach and is groomed well. Definitely more of a project than a lot of people seem to perceive him as, the ability is certainly there but the issues against better WR's definitely worries me. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Alexander goes ahead of him, more on that later.

 

- Ramsey has some bad tape as well but when he's on, he's ON. There are some super impressive plays he makes that make you say "wow". Over aggressive at times and has some brain fart moments but damn can this kid play ball. When you look at the total package of size, speed, strength, and athleticism he's the most impressive of the bunch, definitely Patrick Peterson-esque in that regard. He can just flat out do things the other 2 can't do. The one hang up for me is where do you play him. He's a better corner than people seem to realize but definitely best utilized at FS. I don't buy the recycled line of "Doesn't have the range yada yada" when you put the time in and watch the game tape you can definitely envision him being a killer FS. I could also see him being used like Tyrann Mathieu, he's so good around the LOS that you don't want him to just be a traditional FS.

 

- Mackensie Alexander I was super impressed with, I think he's the best pure CB in the draft now. Very disciplined and rarely get's caught out of position. After watching the tape I really don't know how so many people think Hargreaves is better. Played very well against high level competition. QB's rarely even throw the ball his way and that perhaps is the sign of a true shutdown corner. Just so smooth in coverage, fluid hips, good back pedal, it's hard to find stuff to nit pick about his coverage in all honesty. Maybe not the athlete and all around specimen Ramsey is but he makes up for it with superior technique. If there's a an area of concern it's his physicality/tackling, the weakest of the 3 in that department. Whiffs on some tackles he should make, is easily blocked and taken out of plays... but considering he's a cover corner it's far from a deal breaker.

 

 

Conclusion:

 

- Alexander is the best pure corner

 

- Hard to say who is the better prospect between Alexander and Ramsey because Ramsey is so versatile and so gifted physically/athletically.

 

- VH3 may not be as impressive as the other 2 on tape but I still see what the hype is about, to me he's a bit of a project as far as top 5 players go but definitely has a high ceiling.

Alexander in the first and then a dynamic talent like Tyler Boyd in the second would take us big time. Both would be able to start right away because Alexander has all the physicals and the skills and Boyd can run routes really nicely and makes people miss. 

[Cillmatic]

Alexander in the first and then a dynamic talent like Tyler Boyd in the second would take us big time. Both would be able to start right away because Alexander has all the physicals and the skills and Boyd can run routes really nicely and makes people miss.

"Alexander has all the physicals" except for the ability to be physical IMO. He reminds me a lot of Gerod Hilloman in the sense that he can't really tackle and at times he'll just get dominated physically.

[nishadrahman13]

"Alexander has all the physicals" except for the ability to be physical IMO. He reminds me a lot of Gerod Hilloman in the sense that he can't really tackle and at times he'll just get dominated physically.

And his playmaking is also questionable considering his lack of picks. Sticking to a man is something our secondary could really use, but the ability to generate turnovers is even more important. And in the last 8 weeks, we gave up the fewest passing yards in the league and STILL lost. Turnovers are king.